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Contents 1 On Flag of Serbia vs. Serbian flag 2 Flag change? 3 Gallery 4 Grrr

[edit] On Flag of Serbia vs. Serbian flag

I moved this page back for consistency sake. The article fails to clearly explain why it would belong in [Serbian flag] instead of here. The section on the "flag of Serbia" having different dimensions is confusing. The other flags - Flag of Montenegro, etc. deserve their own articles. --Jiang 04:48, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I moved it to [Serbian flag] because it makes more sense to me to talk about the flag as a symbol then about official flags separately, as it is basically one same flag used by Serb states and institutions as well as by Serbs worldwide; is Serbia would somehow cease to exist, the Serbs would still use the flag. Also, if Flag of Montenegro, Flag of Republika Srpska etc. articles would have separate pages, each page would then have to repeat the same history of the flag at the top. I also thought that some from Montenegro might find insultive to have their flag listed on the page titled Flag of Serbia, but could not have objections on a title based on ethnicity.

Currently, on Wikipedia, only official flags have articles while flags as symbols are not mentioned. For example, if you remember our talk about Yugoslavia, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia had blue-white-red tricolour with its coat of arms, Communists took down the coat and put there the communist star, and now the star is taken down as well. It makes more sense to me to talk about symbolism of this tricolour (at, say, Flag of Yugoslavia) then about each of the official flags separately. Same here. The red-blue-white design is and was the base for various military flags, flags of political parties, logos etc. It would be stupid to say that the logo of 13th Annual Convention of Congress of Serbian Unity in San Francisco (you might go to the URL to see the logo) is based on the flag of Serbia; no, it is based on the Serbian flag. Nikola 08:34, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[Serbian flag] and [Flag of Serbia] mean the same thing. How are these different?

It is my understanding of English language that [Serbian flag] at the same time could mean both [Flag of Serbia] and [Flag of Serbs]. Is it not correct? Nikola 07:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The former is usually implied. If you want it to mean the latter, then try Flag of the Serbs. I would rather have a large version of the official flag displayed, and leave the traditional unofficial one underneath. --Jiang 00:28, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Currently, it is only the flag of the Serb Orthodox Church and the flag of Montenegro being listed here in addition to the flag of serbia. The church flag should be displayed in that article, with a note indicating that it was adopted from a serbian flag. That article should in turn by linked here in the text itself, since it is not that actual flag of Serbia. It's better to repeat info on separate articles, than to be redirecting people to places where they shouldn't be. Think of how you would feel if I merged this article with Flag of Russia, citing that this flag was derived from that one!

The difference is that Serbian flag is inspired by Russian, while flags of Serbia, Montenegro, RS, SOC are different variants of one same flag.

Perhaps this could be resolved in this way: Flag of Serbia, Flag of Montenegro, Flag of Republika Srpska has large image of the flag, description, and says "This flag is derived from Serbian flag" and then the history of the flag could be described on that page. Nikola 07:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sounds good, but how about the Flag of Serbia and Montenegro? --Jiang 00:28, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

In what context is the 2:3 flag used instead of the official 1:2 flag? Is it used at all? --Jiang 09:08, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Well, for example, it is used on weddings, public gatherings, sport celebrations... Oftenly other variations of the flag are used but only plain 2:3 is legal technically. Nikola 07:57, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Flag change?

BBC reported that the flag had been changed to the version introduced in this article as "unofficial". Can anyone verify that everything is done and dusted and that the flag with coat of arms is official as of now? Note that the Serbian coat of arms article has been updated. Should we switch to using the "new" Serbian flag throughout Wikipedia? zoney ███ talk 19:55, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes it did change, though I wouldn't call this version "unofficial" but "popular". State institutions are obliged to have the flag with the CoA. Citizens and various organisations can (must?) hoist flag without CoA. I'll try to find exact text of the law. Nikola 14:48, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The picture is totally wrong! The flag has changed, now it has the coat of arms on its left part. --Djordje D. Bozovic 21:48, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

I updated the article to reflect the changes. It's good that it took us just 18 months to do it ;-). I can't find a 2:1 version (IIRC that was (semi)-official 1991-2004) around, so I removed the old reference – it's better not to have one than to have it obviously wrong (the old version had caption "1:2" when it was obvious the image was 2:3). Duja 13:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Wait a minute, according to Serbian Government: National symbols and anthem of the Republic of Serbia the tricolour with the coat-of-arms is the state flag, so why is it displayed as the "official flag"? Shouldn't the article show the national flag just like for all the other countries? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.201.77.48 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC).

Which "other countries"? The usage for both is clearly defined, "official flag" meaning "for official use". The wording could be clarified, but the first is the state flag and the other is popular flag. Duja 09:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

LukaP, isn't it better that every paragraph is accompanied with the image, so that the reader can immediately see what 's it about, rather than that they're collected in a tiny gallery below? Besides, gallery is supposed to be used for numerous images related to the term but not strictly related to any particular piece of text — the case here is quite different. Duja 12:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grrr

Heck people, could someone mention and WP:CITE the new Constitution of Serbia, according to which apparently official and popular flags were equalized, containing the coat of arms? Ultimately, I found the citation myself. I've been fighting a lame revert war at commons:Flag of Serbia for a couple of days. Duja► 09:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)