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For the record, a hostile fellow ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mikkalai ) has systematically purged everything about the Odin Brotherhood. To make matters worse, he has administrative powers!

There are plenty of places to play these pagan games. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a junkyard of wild fantasies. There are well-known cults and sectret societies and sects and whats not. Mirabello's stuff is just nonnotable. `'mikkanarxi 02:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

If you are interested, I have saved most of the material at this alternative site.

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Odin_Brotherhood

On another matter, I will send the scan of the “Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood.” Do you have an e-mail I may use? --Jkelley 22:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow! For the record, I only put the link on your page. The "hostile fellow" copied the text here and altered it. Sorry about that. Be sure to delte what he copied, as it is adulturated.

--Jkelley 02:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the correct version. His adulturated version follows:--Jkelley 02:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The Odin Brotherhood is a secret society for men and women who value “knowledge, freedom, and power.”

The Brotherhood practices the ancient warrior religion called Odinism. Consecrated to the pagan gods of the Norse pantheon --gods viewed as "older, better, and truer"- members of the Brotherhood use the so-called Eddaic Verses–also called the Poetic Edda–as a kind of scripture.

Members claim their pagan order was established in 1421 to protect the ancient religion during the "Burning Times," and they insist it has existed in unbroken lineage to the present. If the claim is accurate, the Odin Brotherhood resembles the Tariquat, the secret brotherhoods in Islam that sustain the traditions underground in times of intense persecution.

[edit] Who Established the Odin Brotherhood?

Their myth of foundation –albeit interesting– is fantastic. Like the story of Hiram Abif in Freemasonry, the foundation myth of the Brotherhood involves a crime against innocence.

In the legend of the Brotherhood, the story begins when a young pagan widow was caught honoring her ancient gods and goddesses in a remote grotto. For her action, an angry mob burned her on a pyre composed of green wood.

After the murder, the woman’s three children used an ancient and forbidden rite from paganism (a rite called necromancy) and summoned her from beyond the grave.

Answering the summons, the slain woman instructed her children to save the ancient religion of Odinism by taking the movement underground. They were instructed to form a secret society–a "conspiracy of equals"--dedicated to the old gods.

According to the Odin Brotherhood, all of these events occurred somewhere in Eurasia–somewhere north of the Black Sea--in the fifteenth century of the current era.

They also insist that buried artifacts exist which will some day confirm their tale.

[edit] How Does One Join the Odin Brotherhood?

Traditionally, the teachings are spread from person to person. Only by word of mouth, from mind to mind, could the secrets pass.

Today, however, with more written information appearing in manuscript and in published form, solitary practitioners (“lone wolves” who initiate themselves)–are becoming more common.

In its current form, membership in the Odin Brotherhood is secret–as in the so-called Illuminati conspiracy. The objectives of the Odin Brotherhood are stated publicly, as in the legendary Rosicrucians.

Secret Societies are still illegal in some countries. As Nick Harding points out in Secret Societies, for example, they are forbidden by the constitution of Poland.

[edit] The Rite of Blood

Joining the Odin Brotherhood involves a kind of vision quest cemented by a ceremony of blood.

In ancient religion, without blood there is no power. That is the reason that animals were cut in half when the biblical Jehovah made his covenant with Abraham.

Also, because of the power of blood Jewish boys are circumcised on the eighth day.

The initiation rite of the Odin Brotherhood--which is based on the “marking with the spear” rite described by the medieval author Snorri Sturluson, involves solitude, a diet of bread and ice, a dagger, and a fire.

The initiate –after proper purification– makes three incisions on his body. He then devotes, hallows, and sanctifies his soul to the “gods who live” by penetrating a fire three times with a dagger stained with his own blood.

From the beginning, the movement--in spite of its name--has included women.

[edit] Theology, Devotion, and Ethics

The Odin Brotherhood embraces polytheism. The gods, which include Odin, Thor, Frigga, Heimdall, Vidar, Tyr, Freya, and the other beings in the Norse pantheon, are viewed as powerful entities that are finite in nature. The gods are not omnipotent—they are not omniscient—but they accomplish their wills through struggle, not fiats. Humanoid in shape, the gods are physical beings that inhabit hidden corridors in the universe. Often appearing on earth in disguise, they are known by many names in many languages. Odin, for example, appears also as Hermes and Rudra. Believing in direct contact with the gods, the Odin Brotherhood teaches that deities typically communicate with humanity through a system of "messengers and spies."

Devotionally, members of the Odin Brotherhood do not worship the gods on their knees. Refusing to be slaves, Odinists admire the gods but do not grovel before them.

Ethically, the Odin Brotherhood creates no laws, only virtues. The Odin Brotherhood glorifies "thought, courage, honor, light, and beauty."

A tradition for warriors, the Odin Brotherhood teaches that "when the gods made man, they made a weapon." The Odin Brotherhood represents strength over weakness, pride over humility, and knowledge over faith.

[edit] Death and Afterlife

The Odin Brotherhood teaches that all beings ultimately experience death. In poetic terms, death is personified as beautiful females--called the valkyries--who exist "in an endless variety of exquisite forms."

Since death is not annihilation, the "transfigured life form" will go to one of three Other-Worlds. The most famous of these "Other-Worlds" is Valhalla.

In cosmic terms, death is described as Ragnarok, the final battle which destroys every universe. According to the Odin Brotherhood, Ragnarok is an "orgy of purification" from which a new cosmos is born. The cycle of destruction and rebirth--which will go on forever--is called the Law-of-the-Endless-Circle."

Also called the "eternal return," the "Law-of-the-Endless-Circle" teaches that existence never ends with destruction. "Nothing dies forever," and all beings--and all things--will return.

[edit] Discovery and Exposure of the Brotherhood Today

The Odin Brotherhood's was first exposed to the general public in 1992 with the publication of the book The Odin Brotherhood by Dr. Mark L. Mirabello, who is a professor of European history at Shawnee State University.

First contact was made when Mirabello encountered a silver-haired man in a bookshop in Leith, in the United Kingdom. At the time, Mirabello was conducting historical reseach as a doctoral student in Scotland's University of Glasgow.

The gentleman, who called himself Lodur's Friend (in honor of the mysterious god in the Eddaic Verses), was holding a peculiar cane adorned with the images of the serpent and the ass, the two animals that speak in the bible.

"Blind loyalty is a virtue in a dog, but it is an offense in a human being," declared the stranger, when he noticed Mirabello studying an obscure essay on faith.

The two men became friends, and "Lodur's Friend" introduced Mirabello to a "circle of fascinating individuals." The group met for unusual feasts, normally in Edinburgh or London, always at night, and always during the time of the new moon.

The feasts were referred to as "conventicles," and they were by invitation only. Those who "feared" or "hated" authority were excluded, but those who "laughed at" authority were welcome.

Some years after the publication of Mirabello's book, the anonymous and privately printed Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood began to circulate. Copies of the latter are rare.

[edit] Bibliography

Hollander, Lee M. The Poetic Edda. Austin, 1986.

Mirabello, Mark. The Odin Brotherhood. 5th edition. Oxford, England, 2003.

Storyteller, Ragnar. Odin's Return. Payson,Arizona, 1995.

Sturluson, Snorri. Ynglinga Saga.

Sturluson, Snorri. Prose Edda. Mineola, New York, 2006.

Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood. Portland, no date.

Wodanson, Edred. Asatru-The Hidden Fortress. Parksville, BC, Canada, 2005.

[edit] External links

• Odin Brotherhood (North America and Europe)
• Odin Brotherhood (South America)
• Radio interview on the Odin Brotherhood for Odin Lives, now Nine Worlds Radio
• Odin Brotherhood Discussion Group.

HERE FOLLOWS HIS COMMENTS:

[edit] Odin Brotherhood

Why don't you buy the book of this Mirabello guy, to enjoy his fantasies in origin? I don't see any problem to put this text here. I am only against free promo of Mirabello the fantasy writer. `'mikkanarxi 02:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Odin Brotherhood is a secret society claiming to practices an ancient Germanic "warrior religion" called Odinism.^{[citation needed]} Members of the Brotherhood use the Eddaic Verses, also called the Poetic Edda, as a kind of scripture. The existence of the society was claimed in 1992 by Mark L. Mirabello.

Members claim^{[citation needed]} their pagan order was established in 1421 to protect the ancient religion during the persecution of the "Burning Times", and they insist it has existed in unbroken lineage to the present. In its current form, membership in the Odin Brotherhood is clandestine–as in the so-called Illuminati. The objectives of the Odin Brotherhood are stated publically, as in the legendary Rosicrucians.

[edit] Mirabello's alleged discovery of the Brotherhood

The Odin Brotherhood's first expose into the general public came to light in 1992 with the publication of the book 'The Odin Brotherhood' by Mark L. Mirabello, who is the professor of European History at Shawnee State University.

First contact was made when Mirabello encountered a silver-haired gentleman in a bookshop in Leith in Scotland while conducting doctoral research in history at Scotland's University of Glasgow.

The gentleman, whom called himself Lodur's Friend (in honour of the enigmatic god of the Eddaic Verses), was of eastern European ethnicity and was holding, according to Mirabello, a peculiar cane adorned with the images of the serpent and the ass, the two animals that speak in the bible. Both were examining occult books. The gentleman noticed that Mirabello was studying a book called the 'The Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross' by Arthur Edward Waite. During this encounter the gentleman pointed out that "The rose symbolizes secrecy" while pointing to an engraving in Mirabello's book on the Rosy Cross. The gentleman went on to say that "Since we speak sub rosa or 'under the rose', our discussion must remain forever secret." Several months passed before Mirabello saw the old man again, which occurred at the Atlantis Bookshop , an occult emporium near the British Museum in London, England. "Blind loyalty is a virtue in a dog, but it is an offense in a human being" declared the stranger, when he noticed Mirabello studying an obscure essay on faith.

Mirabello has stated that since he was interested in the stranger's knowledge they became friends and that they began to meet for dinner, usually in Edinburgh or London, at which time the stranger introduced him to a "circle of fascinating individuals". This gathering of friends for a meal (which only dined at night, during the time of the new moon), referred to itself as a conventicle, was by invitation only, and those that 'feared' or 'hated' authority were excluded. Mirabello states that those that 'laughed at' authority were welcome. The meals always adjourned before dawn.

Some years after the publication of Mirabello's book, the anonymous and privately printed Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood began to circulate. Copies of the latter are rare.

[edit] See also

• Asatru Folk Assembly
• Odinic Rite
• Odinist Fellowship
• Dragon Rouge
• Circle of Ostara
• Nazi mysticism
• Pagan Resurrection (Book)

[edit] References

• Mirabello, Mark. The Odin Brotherhood. 5th edition. Oxford, England, 2003. ISBN 1-869928-71-7
• Storyteller, Ragnar. Odin's Return. Payson,Arizona, 1995.
• Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood. Portland, no date.
• Wodanson, Edred. Asatru-The Hidden Fortress. Parksville, BC, Canada, 2005.

[edit] External links

• The Odin Brotherhood
• Another 'Odin Brotherhood' website (South America)
• Book review by Tyler Ferguson in Dagobert's Revenge
• A radio interview on the Odin Brotherhood from the formerly Odin Lives! Radio station (now Nine Worlds Radio)
• TinWiki article on the Odin Brotherhood

[edit] re: Chaos Magic term first used?

I'm afraid I can't help you. My involvement with the Peter J. Carroll page was limited to the removal of some obvious gibberish and non-encyclopedic content. From the look of the discussion page, the assertion that he coined the term remains unsourced. If someone doesn't come forward in a reasonable period of time, I'd pull the comment from that article. Good luck. Rossami (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:RunicArmanenFutharkCirclecopyrightVictorOrdellLKasen.JPG listed for deletion

Hello:

Given your interests, you may want to join this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Neopaganism

There is a discussion on the Odin Brotherhood on their talk page.

--Tsmollet 03:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prod notice

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[edit] Vandals Attack Again

Note they are now going after your article on McVan's book. Try saving your material at

http://www.paganwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

They welcome new work! --Jkelley 23:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ludwig Straniak

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Ludwig Straniak, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Ludwig Straniak. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. TheRingess 23:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wendehorn

Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.

Thanks! --Vox Causa 23:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Einstein plaigiarist?

The only people who believe Einstein is a plaigiarist are a small group of white supremacists and outspoken anti-Semites (most of which also happen to be Holocaust deniars). It is not a theory which has any standing in the non-crackpot community at all. It is not a notable POV to represent; the number of people who seriously advocate it can be counted on one hand. Their voice gets magnified with something like the internet, of course, but it is a small, fringe blip. To even discuss it at all on the Einstein page would give it undue weight under our NPOV policy. In any case we already have an article (Relativity priority dispute) which covers most of the bases and keeps it out of the main article. In any case, at least one of the links you listed doesn't even have anything to do with that — read the post-script on this one. --Fastfission 02:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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