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Disrespectful of Islam
Is this based on "Five Pillars of Islam", not the actual defining terms but just the name for the directives? I would consider changing this to the "Five directives of Wikipedia", to be more neutral. Wikipedia is not a religion nor should it seek to immulate one. Most importantly, it should not degrade other religions in mimickry. I am not a muslim, but find this a offensive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LDHLontz (talk • contribs) 12:45, 8 September 2006.
- Interestingly, it's always non-muslims that claim, or fear, giving offense. See Wikipedia talk:Five pillars/Archive1#On Offending and Wikipedia talk:Five pillars/Archive1#Title of article and Wikipedia talk:Five pillars/Archive1#Five Pillars of Islam. Thanks :) --Quiddity 19:11, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- It certainly wasn't non-Muslims who got offended at the Pope recently. This title offends me because it mocks one of the world's great religions. One needn't be a Muslim to be offended, any more than one needs to be Black to be offended by the n-word. RobertAustin 12:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I disagree. Not a single Muslim has ever complained about this or taken offense. This is totally different issue than the Pope or the "n-word". In fact this is non-issue. What is perhaps offensive is comparing this issue of "Five pillars" (which itself is non-issue) to the Pope's words or the "n-word". Khorshid 12:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Just for the record, I'm Muslim and I'm certainly not offended. Hell, it's pretty cool. BurningZeppelin 09:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
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- If the title is seen as offensive because it mocks in the sense of "making sport of in contempt or jest; speaking of in a scornful or jeering manner", it may be helpful to meditate on whether the use of the title is necessarily contemptuous. The perception of contempt is often a product of the expectation of contempt (which is sometimes from cynicism, sometimes from paranoia). Take for example the advice I offer here. I can see no offense inherent in the words, or obvious meanings, or the intended meaning. Given this, if you perceive mockery in it, might I suggest that you are counterproductively cynically sensitive?
- As for simple mimicry, I agree with the idea behind the saying "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." Imitation alone is not disrespect. Sincere imitation is praise. All that being said, there is still the potential for careless dilution of the honor of a thing in flippant mimicry of it. I would argue that the Pillars of Wikipedia are not flippantly created or intended, and are not held as valueless. Just how reverently made and held they are is hard to say. Your most reasonable cause for offense would come from this. I would listen to the actual offended, rather than the offended on behalf of. (Thanks, BurningZeppelin, for your input.)
- Lastly, pillars existed before, after, and without their inclusion in Islamic record, and it is conceivable that Mohammed (all due respect to the man, his role, the religion, and its followers) may have used them in other metaphorical reference or in reference to their actual roles in architecture. If you have "pillars" of your community, must you not refer to them as such when there are five of them? If you have five pillars in your building's facade, should you redesign? Notice the first question in this talk section: "Is this based on "Five Pillars of Islam"?" The uncertainty exists because the alternatives exist. There are more pillars in the world than the Five Pillars of Islam. Indeed, you can find dictionary definitions of "pillar" equating it to "a fundamental precept".
- —Raymond Keller 21:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Seriously, fussing about things like this creates more problems than it solves. Concentrate on bigger issues. Anyway1986 01:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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Consolidating policy listings
I'm asking for feedback on some merge-related suggestions, please come give input at Wikipedia talk:Simplified Ruleset#Merge suggestions?. Thanks :) -Quiddity 22:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Estimation of number of articles to work on
Clause ...remember that there are 1,533,658 articles on the English Wikipedia to work on... seems to be incorrect; it is rather misleading to estimate the way ahead using the current mileage, however intuitively it must be between 1,533,658 and Graham's number. =DBWikis 15:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- How is it incorrect? It's exact! ? --Quiddity 18:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well that is exact current number of existing articles and would be the lowest boundary of number of articles to work on, while estimation of the highest boundary is somehwhat less trivial, no? -- DBWikis 19:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
