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Please add encyclopedia content, so that this is more than a catalo entry or ad. Thank you. Wetman 22:32, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I attempted to add some more content, but you must understand the 5-7 is a fairly new weapon and has not been proven "on the streets". There's certainly not as much information available on its performance, design, history, etc. as there is on, say, the M16. Tronno 17:39, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Can anyone explain to me exactly what the strangely shaped trigger guard is for? I suppose one could use it with two fingers, but I just can't figure it out. Also, isn't "plastics and polymers" redundant? Lostchicken 23:29, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Added info for unique trigger guard shape. (I have read on FN's old site it was for gloved use, and have seen one or two 'promo' shots showing gloved use.) Yes "plastics and polymers" is redundant and should be changed. The Deviant 20:53, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

1 Added external link and Variants info
2 Added Sentance
3 This Article Already Needs a Rewrite
4 Templatize?
5 Battlestar Galactica?!?
6 Five-SeveN and the 5.7x28 cartridge
7 Five-Seven production year

[edit] Added external link and Variants info

I've added an external link on the Five-seveN page (also the FN P90 and 5.7x28mm pages) to point to my blog, where I have been collecting information about the 5.7x28mm weapons system. My hope is to distill/sanitize much of the information that I've been blogging into the Wikipedia entries.

I also added information on the IOM and USG models and a parenthetical note that 10 round magazines are available.

Esteves 21:46, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of external links, maybe someone could fish up a link to the Gemtech suppressor and LDI laser "made specifically for the Five-seveN", because I've been able to find any information of either (not that I've thouroughly researched it).--Seven11groove 20:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added Sentance

I added "(written Five-seveN to accent Fabrique Nationale's initials)"

The Five-seveN capitialization format is non-standard. The firearm is simply, the Five-Seven.

Wrong. The pistol IS called "Five-seveN." Try checking FN's websites.

[edit] This Article Already Needs a Rewrite

There is too much information in the first few paragraphs with regard to the cartridge (already discussed in the 5.7x28mm page) that has little to do with the handgun itself.

There are also too many "this gun can do this" references, again, which should be (and probably are) in the 5.7x28mm page, as the handgun itself can not do these things, the cartridge, however, can (certain ones, at that).

Anyone have a comment?

Your complaint should be lodged with User:67.64.40.86, who wrote over everyone's contributions on August 11. I vote for a total revert, while keeping in mind that he did add a few bits of new information. Anyone else? Tronno 14:29, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

Ah. I see now. Maybe some of that could go to the round's (5.7x28mm) page, and the corrected info stick around on this one... I dunno. The Deviant 20:49, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

---I am the user who wrote over the previous description. I felt the previous overview was too short, so I pasted in a lengthened description containing some more new info. The 5.7x28mm has everything to do with the handgun itself. The entire design and characteristics of the pistol revolve around the rifle-like ammunition. I included the info on what the Five-seveN will do, because it is necessary to distance the capabilities of the 5.7 ammo when fired out of the Five-seveN from the capabilities of the ammo when fired out of the P90. That can only be done if you give unique figures in both the Five-seveN and P90 sections. I also edited the contents of the Variants section as much of it was entirely incorrect. (there has never been a DA version of the Tactical, IOM, or USG versions.)

I understand your motivation, but the next time you feel information in an article is missing or incorrect, edit it selectively instead of doing a complete rewrite out of the blue (rewrites are also discussed on the talk page well in advance). Moreover, I agree with The Deviant that you went off-topic on the ammunition - we already have a separate page for that. Tronno 01:25, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

--Sorry about the rewrite. Feel free to edit or remove any unnecessary references to the ammunition.

The image needs to be updated as well. That's the first generation model, and the newer ones don't have that bulb on the front of the trigger guard. 206.103.66.134 06:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

All are still Five seveNs, regardless of "generation", however, I think a pic of each of the generations would be a good idea. The Deviant 15:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I added the latest image to the article, and we have had some controversy on whether it is a USG or IOM model. I bought the gun about 2 months ago (so I assumed I was getting the USG model), but the box it came in had IOM as part of the SKU (or some other series of numbers and letters), and the manual which was in the box also said it was a manual for the IOM model. Is there anyway to prove what model it is? Bobbfwed 16:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Templatize?

Anyone have an objection to me templatizing the insert on the page to the wikipedia firearm template? The Deviant 15:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Battlestar Galactica?!?

I don't think I've EVER seen a Five-seveN (or a P-90) on BSG... Was the person who put that in there thinking of Stargate-SG1 maybe? It (and it's spin-off, SG:Atlantis) uses the P-90 regularly, and the Five-seveN occasionally. MyrddinEmrys 02:45 March 9, 2006 (EST)

I havent seen every episode of BSG, and it is a sci-fi Channel show (home of SG-1, definate P-90 users.) However, the long arm ive seen used most often is the Beretta_Cx4_Storm Cmschroeder 23:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Originally they used a modified revolver for the Colonial sidearm. But obviously it had only a limited amount of ammo despite appearing to be semi-auto. Later they switched to the Five-SeveN to get some real semi-auto action. The newer pistols can easily recognized by their black grip instead of the wood. They feature in "Home, Part" and very prominently in "Flight of the Phoenix" on the firing range 15:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

See http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/KEW#Small_Arms . --CalculatinAvatar^(C-T) 21:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

They definitely use Five-seveNs in BSG. The newer episodes have more of them. They often have some type of attachment on accessory rail to make it look more ..uh.. futuristic? Just look for ugly pistols, and a closer look will likely reveal a Five-seveN or a disguised Five-seveN (don't get me wrong, I love this pistol, I even own one...it's just not the prettiest thing to look at). -user:Bobbfwed 17:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Five-SeveN and the 5.7x28 cartridge

The handgun known as the "Five-SeveN" was, indeed, designed around the 5.7x28mm cartridge. Unlike weapons like the Glock or a Mac the Five-SeveN was never conceived of outside of the context of the round that it fires. It was made to compliment the P90 'PDW' and to be marketed to security forces to compliment the purchase of the P90. In other words, FN created the Five-SeveN entirely because they wanted to sell the P90 to NATO as the PDW of choice. Obtaining that contract was the reason they created the handgun, and the gun is very different from other handguns because of that, as opposed to having peculiar characteristics for the sake of being innovative.

IMHO you cannot discuss the gun without first discussing the 5.7x28mm cartridge.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by W3bj3d1 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 2006 August 8 (UTC)