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Contents 1 Happy Annyversary FFX!!! 2 "Tenth installment" 3 Spoilers Tags? 4 No World Map 5 Anima 6 Voice Cast 7 Sold Copies 8 Engine and Programs used to make it 9 Battle system? 10 Best selling game?

[edit] Happy Annyversary FFX!!!

Today 5 years after it's US release it is a Featured article on Wikipedia. congratulations !! 14:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC) (Renmiri "undercover")

Documented for posterity http://ffproject.net/forumwiki/index.php/Image:Ffwiki19.jpg

Nice. Isn't it great? Ryu Kaze 19:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Aye!!! Congratulations to all that contributed, but mostly to you and Deck Renmiri 19:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Tenth installment"

This isn't the tenth Fainal Fantasy game. THere's all sorts of games not in the numbered series. FInal Fantasy Mystic Quest, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, not to mention numerous gameboy FInal Fantasy whose names I forget. Maybe tenth numbered installment? Karwynn (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

To me, in "tenth installment of the Final Fantasy series," "series" implies the numbered sequence of titles. I would expect "franchise" or something similar to be used in referring to all Final Fantasy titles. -- Super Aardvark 16:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Karwynn explained it. As far as the series itself goes, that's the numbered titles/core series/main series/whatever you want to call it. Ryu Kaze 19:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers Tags?

Were there ever spoiler tags in the article? If so, were they removed or vandalized out? --Polkapunk 15:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing - there should be a tag on the story section so it doesn't ruin anything for those who haven't played the game yet.

The spoiler tags were removed for being unencyclopedic, redundant of the fact that this is an encyclopedia and absurd given the fact that all the plot details are in the unsurprisingly titled "Plot" section. Ryu Kaze 19:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Various people keep adding the spoiler tags back in despite their removal and the explanation here of why they're not appropriate. Long story short, people, please read this and please pay attention to it: spoiler tags are a redundancy and a violation of Wikipedia's NPOV and no censorship policies. Furthermore, they're not even an encyclopedic tool. Useful to some people, yes, but they don't aid in the encyclopedia's comprehensive mission, which alone is grounds enough for their removal according to the encyclopedia's very first policy.

On top of all of this, we're an encyclopedia. We're here to educate, not shield people from knowledge. Even without the tags violating policy and encyclopedic principle, it's a ridiculus contradiction of the concept. And I rather think that people are intelligent enough to figure out that all those many paragraphs under "Plot and setting" contain plot details. Please stop adding the tags. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fansite that caters to ignorance. Ryu Kaze 21:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• It is standard Wikipedia convention to add spoiler tags to sections of articles which contain significant "plot-spoiling" information. This convention has been applied exceedingly widely to Wikipedia articles, including ones like King Kong, Don Quixote, Dracula, and Final Fantasy (video game).
• ... However, with that in mind, just because something is a widely-used convention doesn't make it right. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Its job is to present information, not to protect people from it. And the fact that all the "spoilers" in this article are in well-labeled, obvious places (e.g., they are solely in the plot sections, where users would expect to find them, not in the lead or gameplay sections or anything) makes it rather unnecessary even if one wants to protect users from spoilers, which I don't think is really an encyclopedia's concern. It's a nice thing to do sometimes, but it's hardly critical. -Silence 22:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to add a spoiler template. If it's in the wrong place or is inappropriate, move/delete it! Leon... 03:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

So is it decided now? No spoiler tags here or what? Aeneiden-Rex 12:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Correct. No spoiler tags here. Ryu Kaze 14:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, but I support adding the spoiler tags. Brutannica 20:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• No spoiler tags are needed. The "story" heading is good enough....why warn people a second time, especially if wikipedia is not censored? — Deckiller 20:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• I move that the inclusion of spoiler tags is not, in fact, censorship. After all, no information is being altered or removed. It is simply warning the reader of the article of a section that they may not want to read just yet. I believe that a certain marking of the spoiler-intensive area should exist, if only to tell readers when the spoilers are over. Conversely, I am of course willing to go along with whatever majority decides - it's a Wiki, after all. However, I propose that if spoiler tags are unnecessary here, then they are unnecessary everywhere, and so should be removed from every such article.
  • Personally, I think that would be a wonderful idea. Especially given that the large majority of those things show up in sections with the unsurprising header of "Plot", "Characters" or "Story". Throwing those things around all over the place only defeats their purpose anyway: why condition someone to expect those things every time a plot detail shows up when the tags aren't always going to be present? It's a practice that undermines itself. And, yes, they qualify for censorship. The presentation of the info they accompany is being altered from the norm. Ryu Kaze 11:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No World Map

I think there was a negative critical response about not having a world map (the first to not have one). I don't have a source for it, but I'm sure it was critized for being linear.

There has been a bit of criticism about the linearity, but I'm not sure that anyone actually in the media criticized due to the lack of an overworld map. I seem to remember those doing that mostly being fans who thought that SE reps saying "Final Fantasy is about change" meant "Final Fantasy will always be the same thing". If you can find a reference, though, feel free to bring it to us. Ryu Kaze 19:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the linearity has certainly been one of the things Final Fantasy X has been most widely criticized for. But I've never seen anyone criticize it for not having an explorable world map. (And it does have a perfunctory world map, in the form of the airship map, though it is an instant-access one rather than one that requires journeying across it.) -Silence 22:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was general consensus that non-linear gameplay was "better" (more fun to the player) than linear gameplay. If that's the case, then FFX's change to more linear gameplay wouldn't just be a change, it'd also be a step backward for the series.--RealmRPGer 21:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

General consensus of who? Since when did anyone just "decide" that non-linear gameplay was "more fun"? Any unsourced statement of that sort is simply original research. Axem Titanium 22:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anima

I don't see Anima as being influenced by Jung's anima. Anima being a Latin word akin to spirit, I don't see how Jung's anima bears any relation. --65.4.73.249 07:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Jung's anima is the feminine side of a man's personal unconsciousness. The aeon Anima is derived from this concept because she represents, in a sense, the feminine side of Seymour's unconsciousness, though on a more literal level she embodies his mother (which itself has interesting Jungian consequences). -Silence 08:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The aeon also features an animus half underneath the "portal" thing. You only see it when using Anima's Overdrive, though (or on the action figure). Ryu Kaze 12:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

That's true, I forgot about that. Of course, the connection is still somewhat loose (a giant, one-eyed, winged mummy from hell doesn't immediately imply a Jungian anima to me), but that's hardly anything new for Final Fantasy-type references (see, e.g., Shiva). And either way, there's even less, by far, of a connection to the generic usage of the word anima: Anima has absolutely nothing to do with the soul/spirit. -Silence 12:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Xenogears and Xenosaga pwn anima/animus allusions :) — Deckiller 15:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I could see it being a Jungian "anima"...it's chained up and extremely powerful, right?—ウルタプ 13:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep. It's the game's most powerful aeon (it normally really is stronger than the Magus Sisters). And like you said, chains. Ryu Kaze 16:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's a translation of Anima's info from Seymour's bio in the Ultimania Omega (I didn't translate this part; it was done by pmog, some person on GameFAQs, so full credit to them):

"The Cursed Aeon Anima

'Anima' originally has many meanings. For example, its roots of 'an ideal woman for a man' shows Seymour's feelings towards his mother as his Fayth. And as Seymour considers Anima the darkness within himself, the Latin meaning 'soul' also connects. The aeon reflects the heart of the summoner. Consequently, it created the cursed figure of the aeon."

I think it fair to say there's some Jungian elements there. Ryu Kaze 16:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Great find!!! Now if only we could find a mythological reference for the Magus Sisters! The best I could find was the Mother / Maiden / Crone triad.... (or the 3 fairies from Disney's sleeping beauty ;-) tehehe) Renmiri 19:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I can see the Maiden, Mother and Crone connection, but that one's probably going a bit far into original research. Ryu Kaze 02:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Aye, hence I didn't add it here or on the Mythology or Character list pages Renmiri 04:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voice Cast

Where's the article's cast list? If it's a featured article, it's no good without it's cast list! Jienum 20:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

See External links: Final Fantasy X at the Internet Movie Database. Renmiri 22:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Optionally, look on the top of this page Renmiri 22:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The cast list was deemed inappropriate during the process of getting the article nominated to be an FA because it was a rather long section that just listed a bunch of names. As such, it pretty much fell into the category of trivia and the unloved category of being a list. That being the case, we took the more appropriate measure of adding an IMDb link, as Renmiri mentioned. Ryu Kaze 00:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sold Copies

Good day, The article says that more than 4.3 Mio copies were sold worldwide, the cited source says that a total of 7.93 Mio were sold. Why does the article give the lesser number? --84.184.126.216 09:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone changed it without explanation. It's been reverted. Thanks for the concern. Ryu Kaze 13:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem, pure self-defense :) I want to translate the article to make the Final Fantasy article in the German Wikipedia a bit smaller and give FFX the space it needs and deserves. --84.184.126.216 14:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engine and Programs used to make it

Somebody should add a section on what they used to make it, I am aware they used Maya for FFVIII but I was looking to find it on here but I couldn't see anything.

[edit] Battle system?

I have some questions about the battle system.

1. what does the little infobox doodad thingy (in the upper-left hand corner) do? I know it corresponds with the different characters' colors, but...

2. does agility only affect your turn speed or does it increase your evasion and accuracy too?

(Please respond on my talk page.) tinlv7 23:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling game?

This strikes me as odd. In the opening it is said that FFX was once in the top 20 best selling games. Following that link [1], FFX isn't even mentioned in the PS2 section [2]. FFX-2 is mentioned, however, stating it has selled over 5 million copies. I suggest someone adds some numbers and evidence, because now the notion saying FFX was once a best selling game isn't verified. --Soetermans 19:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at your link again. It seems that FFX has sold 4 million copies and is completely verified. Axem Titanium 03:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm flabbergasted. Or ashamed, if you will.--Soetermans 21:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)