Talk:Fictional fictional character

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[edit] Metametafiction

Is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead an example of this? --Urbane legend 02:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Only if The Mousetrap (or some similar story) is contained therein. (Someone who knows the answer to this could probably provide a better answer....) BobGreenwade 17:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Meta-Fictional

As the originator of this page, I think this proposed suggestion a good idea.

What would anyone think of a redirect from Meta-fictional to here?

My only objection would be that this page (being limited to characters) is more restrictive than the incoming redirect. I think a merge is a good idea, but I feel the direction of merge should be switched (despite the fact that this is a far more developed article). — Lomn | Talk / RfC 20:05, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
There are other pages for "Play within a play" and "story within a story." Perhaps the lot of them could be merged into the "meta-fiction" header. BobGreenwade 20:33, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Normal Fiction

Could we include a section about meta-fiction becoming normal fiction? Like the Buzz Lightyear character in Toy Story spawning the Buzz Lightyear animated series?

Done. Season to taste. BobGreenwade 16:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Earth-411 Profile

Don't forget this

http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/timeline411.html Marvel-based metafictional characters include Black Bart: from the "Creature from Krogarr" story), Brother Brimstone, Captain Crimebuster, Copperhead, the Crimson Bat (Captain America #246), the Danger Gang, Jason Drew (Doctor Strange III#9) , Jet-Man (Republic serial character pace Captain America #219), Mad Dog, Major Victory (Invaders), Megatak, the Midnight Racer (Dan Jurgens Captain America run), Mister Menace, the Molecule Man, the Purple Slasher (Dominic Fortune back-up in Hulk), Starlords (seen in Marvel Comics:Fantastic Four, one of whom resembles a Skrull), Starr the Barbarian (Chamber of Chills#4), Sump Thing, Thundersword, the Two-Gun Kid, Vapor Girl, the Monster Man & Kid Monstro; there are also alternate versions of Captain America as well as evidently many of their other heroes. Also, in the prose Captain America novel Liberty's Torch, Cap befriends Colin Maxwell, a mystery writer who pens the Nick Hale detective novels including Stolen in the Night and True Facts.

[edit] A contradiction

The definition of "metafictional" in Metafiction contradicts the definition in Fictional fictional character. Anthony Appleyard 07:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Replaced section

I removed this:

To date, there are no cited examples of "metametafiction" or "fictional fictional fictional characters"—that is, a case where a story within a story itself has a story within a story, and both of the nested stories were are fictional to their respective frame. For example, while plays such as I Hate Hamlet or movies such as A Midwinter's Tale feature stories on productions of Hamlet, which in turn features a production (or part of one) of The Murder of Gonzago, Hamlet is an actual play so the characters in The Murder of Gonzago would not qualify at this level.

I have included an example of metametaficton instead. — PhilHibbs | talk 18:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Captain Proton

I am a fan of most of the Star Trek series, and I had barely heard of Captain Proton. I asked my friends who are all keen 'Trek fans, and they could not tell me who Captain Proton is, although they remembered it when I explained. I think the reference is too obscure to warrant inclusion. Examples should help the reader to understand the concept, which Itchy & Scratchy does adequately to a Western audience, Captain Proton is almost entirely useless. 99% of readers are going to think "Captain Proton? Never heard of him", and no information will have been gained about the subject of this article. — PhilHibbs | talk 02:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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