User talk:Fermion

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Hi Fermion, welcome to Wikipedia. Are you from Morisset?

Standard welcome boilerplate follows... -- Tim Starling 08:11, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Tim, I sent you an email. I have fiddled with the Morisset page again, the only thing I am really attached to is Avondale College's name. As I note see the external page - we don't have university status yet so it isn't accurate to call it a university. --Fermion 10:04, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Edit summary 2 Furrow Story on Avondale College 3 SDA statistics (Fiji) 4 Sanitarium Foundation 5 Are you 203.206.57.237? 6 Southwestern Adventist University 7 Is this a source? 8 Pick a template 9 Adventists as Evangelical 10 3RR, and Perspicacious 11 Albion High School 12 Citation tags 13 re: Criticism of the Seventh-day Adventist Church 14 words words 15 Weasel 16 Hi 17 Question 18 Just a Thought . . . of which I also pulled from someone elses pages 19 Liturgical worship 20 Merry Christmas! 21 Nope 22 Smiley Award

[edit] Edit summary

Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy edits. Hyacinth 08:23, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Furrow Story on Avondale College

Can you have a look at my account of "the furrow story" as recounted on Avondale College. I'm scared it isn't objective and lacks the NPOV. Thanks. MyNameIsNotBob 08:02, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks MyNameIsNotBob, the story is common in some circles, but has been largely discredited by a recent thesis which was unable to verify the story. The White Estate at Avondale doesn't support the story either. If this article is to mirror the university pages, I doubt that mention of the furrow story will remain. Perhaps a separate page on the history of Avondale and surrounds may include it as a discredited story.--Fermion 09:23, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, doesn't surprise me at all. I think I have heard something along those lines before, now that you mention it. So the agricultural expert did visit though? MyNameIsNotBob 09:35, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SDA statistics (Fiji)

Hi there!

Thank you for your efforts to standardize statistics among the various articles concerning Fiji. I think you overlooked one thing, though:

The statistics in the main Fiji article are for the nation as a whole. Seventh Day Adventists are 2.9 percent of the total population according to the 1996 census.

The statistics in the Fijian people article are for indigenous Fijians - because that article is about the ethnic group, not the whole nation. SDAs are 5.1 percent of the ethnic Fijian population. (See Demographics of Fiji for details).

Accordingly, I have reverted your edit. David Cannon 12:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

In answer to the question in your latest edit summary, I think it is pretty clear that the statistics in the article are about a specific population group, because the Fijian people article itself is specifically about the Fijian ethnic group, not about Fijian citizens as a whole. This ethnic group comprises only 53-54 percent of Fiji's total population. A case could be made out for renaming the article. I considered "Fijian (race)" - but decided against that because the word "race" has extremely loaded connotations - even more so in Fiji than in most other countries; "Fijian (ethnicity)" might be a more neutral term, but sounds a bit stilted. Perhaps "Fijian ethnic group?" I'll chew over this for a day or two, see what you (and others) have to say about the matter, and see what we can do. I know that the Fijian people (race) prefers to be called "Taukei," but that name means nothing to most people outside of Fiji. I would have to say, however, that the title of the article is somewhat ambiguous, and should be rectified if possible. David Cannon 00:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I follow your logic and I think Fijian people is a very safe option, albeit slightly ambiguous. Don't the Indian fijians call themselves Fijian? Perhaps the article could be expanded to include these specfic groups, and the paragraph I noticed could be about religion amongst the Taukei. Either way, I think Taukei needs to be mentioned on the page.--Fermion 04:55, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

There's a separate article for Indo-Fijians. Generally speaking, most of the Indians in Fiji are reluctant to use the "Fijian" label. When the 1997 constitution was drawn up, "Fiji Islanders" was agreed upon as an umbrella term to cover all Fijian citizens. For legal purposes (voting on separate electoral rolls, etc), citizens are registered as members of particular ethnic groups. "Fijians" are defined as people whose ancestors, in either the male or female line, originated in the Fiji Islands (excluding Rotuma; Rotumans, at their own request, have a separate classification). "Indo-Fijians" are defined as those whose ancestors, on either side of the family, originated anywhere in the Indian Sub-continent. There is another category of "general electors" - a miscellaneous bunch of Europeans, Chinese, etc. There are four separate electoral rolls, each with allocated representation in parliament; a further 25 seats are elected by universal suffrage. As for religion, the Demographics page, as well as the articles about the various ethnic groups, have the statistics. More tweaking is required, however. The article on Rotuman people is yet to be written. In addition, I intend to make a template, which would be placed on the Fijian people, Indo-Fijian, General Electors, and the intended Rotuman Islanders page, as well as on the Demographics of Fiji page, to make it clear that the articles are linked and part of a series. Like much of the project, this part needs quite a bit of tidying up. But as for expanding the article, as I said, the other ethnic groups have (or will have) their own articles, and the Demographics article is an umbrella covering them all. David Cannon 11:16, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sanitarium Foundation

Should the date in the infobox be the official date of formation (1898) or when the company was started in Melbourne (c. 1987) - I think it should be the official date for the infobox. We can put other information in the History section. MyNameIsNotBob 23:27, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Are you 203.206.57.237?

Are you that IP? Or do you know who is? Thanks MyNameIsNotBob 06:08, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

No I am not 203.206.57.237. Yes, I do know who it is. No I am not going to tell you who it is, perhaps they wish to remain anonymous. --Fermion 05:56, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

LOL, they might want to read the Wikipolicies though. Its not my fault either if their ip range gets blocked and affects other people using the same connection. MyNameIsNotBob 08:26, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Southwestern Adventist University

This is referring to an old edit of yours (27 Jan 2005) on the SWAU page. You changed the last phrase of the first paragraph of the article from "SDA Church" to "Seventh-day Adventist Church." I am of agreement that the official name of the church is "Seventh-day Adventist Church," but I feel that "SDA Church" is a perfectly acceptable abbreviation for said name, used widely, at least in North America and I think in Great Britain also. Perhaps you did not notice that the previous sentence mentioned the full name of the church with a link to the appropriate page. I am going to go ahead and change the first reference to "Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church," so that the second one (which I'm changing back) is obvious. Above all, though, thanks for being interested the article. Cromwellt | Talk 19:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, I agree that your approach is a sound one. -Fermion 03:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I would have to disagree with this rationale. See my comment on the project talk page. MyNameIsNotBob 21:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It is an APA thing. You are perfectly entitled to abbreviate anything you wish, as long as the first instance is spelt out. Thus, SDA must always be preceeded by the first instance being Seventh-day Adventist (SDA). You are definetly correct that any upper case "D" is wrong. Actually, there is one minor qualm I have with this. If you are writing an article describing a place, it maybe that the place spells it wrong, what then should be done? -Fermion 03:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I think upon seeing the official church policy on this, I'd have change my stance and go with MyNameIsNotBob, since this is a public place, even if APA says we can do it. I would say that we should spell things right in any case, though I can't tell exactly what you mean, Fermion. --Cromwellt|Talk 08:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a source?

The statement on the Ellen G. White page "With the sole exception of Agatha Christie, Ellen White is said to be the most translated female writer in the history of literature [citation needed] and the most translated American author of either gender.[citation needed]" Can this be sourced from [1] "She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender."? MyNameIsNotBob 06:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -Fermion 06:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pick a template

Regarding your last edit to the Seventh-day Adventist Church article. There are a series of template messages available at Wikipedia:Template messages/Disputes, I'm not sure which one is most appropriate though. MyNameIsNotBob 06:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adventists as Evangelical

You may recall a discussion about Adventists being evangelical on the talk page a few months ago. I have been trying to find a citation for this and have found that the church does not seem to belong to any evangelical associations of churches or anything of that like. As a seemingly unverifiable statement I am not sure it should remain. Any thoughts? MyNameIsNotBob 06:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it should remain. The way to verify it is to look at the theological position of evangelical theology and that of the Adventist church. I personally don't think it is a point that needs to be verified. It is taken as given by most theologians that the Adventist church operates within the evangelical theological tradition, as opposed to orthodox or liberal positions. It may be worth revisiting in the criticism section that components of Adventist theology (e.g. Ellen White and the investigative judgement) have been criticised for being outside the parameters of evangelical. I think the book Answers to objections may be a good reference. -Fermion 06:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR, and Perspicacious

You will find that the edits Perspicacious made on Seventh-day Adventist Church that you submitted as WP:3RR are in fact vandalism. Have a read of the 3RR page to see what I mean. MyNameIsNotBob 20:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albion High School

Hi, I'm the creator of the Albion High School disambig page, as well as perhaps 100s of others. I got bored one day and decided that if these highschool pages were randomly being created by students who have never heard of Wikipedia or disambiguity before, that I could head them off by creating the disambig pages before they broke the links. I was coming back to add some more, but since you objected to a full red-link article I thought I'd check with you first. To me, I don't really think the highschool pages add much to the 'pedia, but the disambig page actually seem more helpful than the actual red pages that they link to. As, if someone from the midwest told you they graduated from Albion high school, you won't really care what it's mascot was.

Tell me what you think, I won't add more until I hear from you.--Rayc 21:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation tags

Just letting you know that the citation template requires lower case. Thanks for alerting me to my mistake on Hunter Valley. MyNameIsNotBob 10:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, both edits were to the same place, didn't realise. Have corrected my error. MyNameIsNotBob 10:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Criticism of the Seventh-day Adventist Church

Could you clarify what you are referring to on my talk page. Currently my I can see an issue with Perspicacious' continual personal attacks. These are a blatant breach of policy and should be warned about. Use {{subst:npa}} (already used), {{subst:npa2}} and {{subst:npa3}} followed by WP:PAIN. It may be a valuable idea to have the page protected, blocking tends to just quiet him for a week or two before he returns with some new creative way to get his POV across. Eg, when he most recently returned and made his rather surprising change to Seventh-day Adventism. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution has a process for which steps for resolution should be made. At the moment a RfC is the next step. MyNameIsNotBob 07:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I have pointed him to No personal attacks again. I am going to request that he discuss his edits on the talk page first. He tends to make a huge amount of unexplained and unreferenced edits which I struggle to follow and even more so balance out. MyNameIsNotBob 07:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] words words

hi man, i saw your name on the recent edits page. seems u've done a thesis or somethin about a difficult subject. tell me, what is the technique to keep the words coming and the text growing when you're kinda losing inspiration ? Unixer 11:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel

I can only imagine what you must have thought, if you're not familiar with WP:WEASEL. That tag looks very much like a derogatory comment, especially in that context. I wouldn't go so far as "LOL", but I did chuckle. Cheers, -Will Beback 10:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I wasn't aware of the policy, until I made my mistake. Which is why I reverted back. I don't mind making mistakes, but I do feel a little silly from time to time. I notice that someone else has removed it. --Fermion 23:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi Fermion, I'm just returning your greeting on my talk page! Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the Jacaranda or Orana lying around to look you up in - in fact I don't think you even mentioned your name. I appreciate your edits; at least the ones I have come across have been helpful. Cheers, Col. Colin MacLaurin 02:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Still curious as to who you are! You didn't mention your first name. If you're worried about privacy that's fine. I'm taking a big risk by putting my full name out there, place of study, etc. BTW, interesting that there are so many Australian-based, and particularly (current and former) Avondale-based Adventists on here! --Colin MacLaurin 05:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Colin, I'm not all that concerned about the privacy, I just enjoy the anonymity. I graduated last year from a BSc/BTch (Hons) - I was the only person to receive that award. I agree it is interesting about Australian Adventists. Maybe we a community minded, or alternatively cheap skates who don't want to pay for anything and like the idea of a free encyclopedia. Thoughts to think about at least. -Fermion 06:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I want to issue a warning to E.Shurbee for personal attacks but don't know where to find the template to do so. Do you have any idea? I'm well versed in the Vandalism templates, but not the personal attacks ones. Please let me know. Thanks! --Maniwar (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA is the place to go. There is also a template {{npa}}. -Fermion 21:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just a Thought . . . of which I also pulled from someone elses pages

"Be bold in contributions, but not in destructions. Editing is a collaborative effort, so editing boldly should not be confused with reverting boldly. This only leads to edit wars. Use the talk page instead. Reverting isn't always collaborative editing, but often a cheap shortcut. Be careful if a revert touches off a revert war. If a revert war begins, then collaboration is not working, and editing the article boldly by reverting is not collaboration. Instead it attempts to force one editor's will on the other editors, which will never work." Can it be possible to be new at this and make a mistake on references and not have everything erased by you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.103.183.8 (talk • contribs) .

I agree with the sentiments. However, material copied directly from the web is in direct violation of the bold rather clear statement directly below the "save changes" button Do not copy text from other websites without permission. It will be deleted. Why are you surprised?

[edit] Liturgical worship

Hi Fermion,

Thanks for your comment on my talk page. Taizé certainly sounds interesting, and I aim to go one day. For my two European friends who told me about it, it is their spiritual highlight for the year. One of them doesn't really go to church - she was brought up Catholic and isn't impressed with the Catholic churches there. She didn't like that they condemned contraception when Africa is so overpopulated, and that when reciting the Apostles' Creed they interpreted "catholic" in the line "I believe in... the holy catholic Church" as referring to the Catholic church, rather than the meaning "universal church". For them Taizé is a break from the fast paced, high pressure European lifestyle they live. There seems to be a big emphasis on peace, quiet or stillness. For example, during worship services they have a time of 10 minutes or so of complete silence for prayer. There is also a big focus on community - playing (worship?) music together, Bible study together, and making friends from all over the world! Anyway, thanks for reading my user page and taking interest! God bless, Colin MacLaurin 05:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Merry Christmas!

Fermion, as one of my Wikifriends I would like to wish you a merry Christmas. I appreciate your edits and constructive comments on talk pages.

All the best,

Colin MacLaurin 08:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Nope

Just me being overzealous or some shtuff. Peace, Kukini 07:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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