Talk:Feral House

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I never wrote that "Parfrey and Feral House specialize in the bizarre." This page is a crock. I DID write a letter to Mondo 2000 concerning the federal exotic weapons aresenal ... so who's denying it?

- Alex Constantine

Nobody's denying it, Mr. Constantine. On the contrary, it is something to be taken into account by anyone inclined to take you seriously. Challenge: Who were the "two . . .psychologists" who supposedly witnessed magnets repelled from your head?

You also claim to have been tortured by "pulsed audiograms." Do you deny having written that? An audiogram is a pictorial representation of a soundwave. The worst thing you can get from an audiogram is a paper cut!! There is no such thing as a "pulsed audiogram"! You also (in the same letter) claimed to have been hit with an infrasound attack on your spine. Do you deny this? Infrasound is the lower 20 cycles of the sound spectrum. It can't be directed. This, too, is ridiculous.

Your statements are absurd on their surface. The phenomena you allege to have experienced are physically impossible. You are either a bald-faced liar, a first class nut case, or both.

Farstriker Collective

I edited today to remove this mostly irrelevant quote from Alex Constantine regarding mind control: Parfrey and Feral House specialize in the bizarre. Feral House author Alex Constantine claimed in a letter to the now-defunct "Mondo 2000" magazine that he repelled magnets from his head. "For die-hard skeptics, I can offer this proof: Two of the leading child psychologists in the country once witnessed magnets repelled from my cranium. When I wrote a letter to Amnesty International about my plight (it was ignored), friends of mind [sic] were subjected to microwave attack. . . Regards, Alex Constantine" (To access the original text containing this claim, do a Google search on "Alex Constantine" + "EM Weapons".)

I also removed a link claiming Author Kevin Coogan reveals the Nazi and fascist connections of Feral House, Adam Parfrey and Boyd Rice in "How Black is Black Metal?" at: [1] as the content related to Feral House specifically, rather than the book Lords of Chaos, is minimal. The inclusion of the link has no purpose other than to inflame, and the idealogies of Parfrey and his associates could be better addressed in the main article.

I added sources and a list of Feral House titles to better illustrate what the company publishes.

Apocalypse cow 22:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Parfrey, Feral House, and fascism

User:Farstriker does not back up many assertions made in his or her most recent edit, nor does he or she use the style guide.

1. Lords of Chaos is not openly supportive of fascism; this is apparent to anyone who reads it—it is an anthropology. The allegations against Michael Moynihan and Lords of Chaos are not only inappropriate for this article, but are addressed in an article from Portland Oregon's Willamette Week [2].

2. There is no evidence to support that Keith Stimely ever worked at Feral House, nor that Parfrey or Feral House had anything to do with the publication of Siege. Its inclusion is completely irrelevant.

3. Much of what the editor says belies POV... word choice includes "good taste" and "obviously disturbed." The editor also is responsible for the page on David Emory, who is known to dislike Parfrey, and may be allowing the ideas of Emory to influence the editing of this article.

I am going to seek formal conflict resolution if the user doesn't discuss his or her next edit on the talk page.

Apocalypse cow 23:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheers--Coogan's article is straightforward. The facts are just such--facts. Parfrey doesn't dispute his association with Stimely. And, yes, "Farstriker" has been influenced by Emory. we're big fans of his and have listened to him in both Northern and Southern California and now read his website. Given the influence of people like Boyd Rice, Moynihan and Parfrey on young people, the political message of Feral House content is very relevant. Calling Hitler a Nazi is not "partial." Identifying those who softpedal people following in his footsteps is necessary, and is not inapproprate to analysis of Feral House.

Neither is the mental state of its authors. The claim by Constantine is ludicrous. In the same [publicly published] letter, he claims that he was assailed by "audiograms." An audiogram is a graph of a sound wave and will yield no injury more significant than a paper cut. Because Feral House represents this creature as some sort of authority, his mental state (VERY disturbed) is relevant.

Hope this helps, Ms. Cow.

P.S.--Upon reflection, the use of the term "subtly supportive of fascism" rather than openly might be more accurate. Should have also added that, actually, "Farstriker" is actually a group of folks. Other than that, the response stands.

I'm glad to see you on the talk page! I recommend reading some of the WP:Help, as the editing that user:Farstriker (whether one editor or a collective) does is not "kosher" according to Wikipedia. You simply must be able to back up statements (such as Stimely's having worked at Feral House) with NPOV sources. Your one source isn't NPOV, thus you aren't conforming to the rules. It's the same schtick (as it were) for using "weighted" language for describing Alex Constantine. As ludicrous as his claims may or may not be (and I'm inclined to agree with you), it's against Wikipedia policy to insert any judgemental language in an article. It's an encyclopedic article versus an analysis of motivations or anything "dicey." It's rather simple, and I've asked for a neutral third to come in and offer his or her opinion. To this end, I won't do any further editing and hope that you (plural) will agree to a similar truce, as they call it around these parts.

As for presenting Moynihan or Constantine as "authorities" or representative of the views of Parfrey or Feral House, reading through some of the outside links posted in which Parfrey discusses his modus operandi with respect to publishing, shall we say, unconventional thinkers. By your logic, Parfrey is also an extreme anarchist for publishing John Zerzan, Jesús Sepulveda, and The Bomb. Parfrey calls himself "a pot-smoking Green Party member" in the Reason article I cite. The publications of Feral House cover a wide spectrum of ideologies, and I think it supposes a great deal (at least too much for an NPOV article) to base claims of crypto-fascism off of Lords of Chaos and some nebulous friendships. It smacks of McCarthyesque guilt by association, in my opinion.

Best, Apocalypse cow 19:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Greetings, Ms. Cow--With regard to your assertions concerning Wikipedia stylistic demands, fair enough. We can see some validity in that regard. Your characterizations of our view are unfair and inaccurate, however. We pointedly did NOT discuss what Parfrey is or is not. We discussed what he does: among his many and varied projects are active promotion of fascists and their work. You may not be familiar with Moynihan and Rice. We are--they are doctrinaire fascists who use their professional projects to further their cause. Parfrey helps them, on occasion.

WHY he does so is anybody's guess. Is he an ideologue? Is he crazy? Or merely tasteless? Who knows WHY he does it? Again, we do not discuss this. Nor do we feel it is fair for you to label us McCarthyites. Moynihan's book deliberately misrepresents black metal as fascist. Some of it is, but some of it is merely agressively iconoclastic. It is, again, SUBTLY supportive of fascism. "Siege" on the other hand, is brazenly fascist, and Parfrey helped out with that.

Adam's association with Stimely is hardly a secret. We may not have a pay stub for the late, unfortunate Mr. Stimely, but that is irrelevant. They were tight, and Stimely was a damned Nazi.

Also: Our taste for Emory's work--dating back to our youths--does not undermine what we are saying. And Emory, we feel sure, does not "dislike" Parfrey. He has cricized Adam professionally, but has many other things on his radar. The last time we attended a lecture of his in Southern California, we asked him if he had any other shows in mind about black metal, fascism and Feral House. He replied, with a wry chuckle, that he'd already covered the subject and that there were many other things on his mind. If anything new and important arose, he probably would, but there is alot going on.

One more point about Emory's work. Someone has been attempting to subtly Jew-bait him on Wikipedia, not surprising consider his anti-Nazi stance. That was what first prompted our activism on this site.

In summation, we feel that your points about Wikipedia style being inconsistent with our posting are valid, although you have seriously misunderstood our situation, and Parfrey's. As far as Constantine, well, some of our Southern California contingent are in contact with a former associate of his, turned professional opponent. He may well help us put together a website about Magnetman. BTW--he might NOT be crazy. Perhaps he's merely a bald-faced liar who knows nothing about the physical universe. What he's claiming is impossible. But maybe he's merely dissembling, and not hallucinating.

Truce accepted, Ms. Cow.

Wikipedia is not a place for original analysis. All information must be verifiable and properly sourced, or it may be removed. Fagstein 20:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Fagstein is in accordance. I'm once again removing the unsourced, unverifiable statements until they can be backed up according to Wikipedia policies (as noted above).Apocalypse cow 22:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)