Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Arsenal F.C. players

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[edit] List of Arsenal F.C. players

Self-nom. List is comprehensive, accurate and stable, and has reasonably objective criteria for inclusion. References are supplied as well. Qwghlm 12:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• Support, well done, maybe you could throw the Aresnal logo in there as well? Phoenix2 23:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe, though fair use rules are quite strict and recently there has been a big clampdown on using team logos on any page apart from the actual page about that team, so I'm reluctant. Qwghlm 23:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
    • No problem, wasn't aware of the issue. The list can be more than featured without the logo. Phoenix2 00:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Object: The lead doesn't indicate what constitutes an "exceptional player": is there some authority you're referencing, or is it just the opinion of Wikipedia editors? --Carnildo 02:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I've now further explained the circumstances in which a player is considered exceptional at the top of the page. Qwghlm 09:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support, Comprehensive list. Oldelpaso 19:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support, provided you at least create substubs for those three red links. -- Zanimum 22:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
• Support - three redlinks in a list that long is entirely acceptable. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Very Picky Comments - good stuff and I have several simple suggestions: it is not like you need to cram everything because there is no space, so why don't spell out Nationality, Appearances, Goalkeepes, Right back, etc? I would appreciate if the list was numbered. I am curious how many players are on the list? Why does Jock Rutherford have two career dates (1913–1923 and 1923–1926)? Please add an explanation/note. (I understand dates like 1995-2000 and 2003-present). Also nationality could be spelled out, people don't always recognize flags (which is nice touch). What do you mean by "Career"? At Arsenal or in general? Renata 13:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I think "Career" means career at Arsenal, but this should be explained. The player whose date you question is Jock Rutherford (1913–1923, 1923–1926), and his article says "In April 1923, Rutherford left Arsenal to become manager of Stoke City, but he only stayed at the club for four months ... Rutherford re-signed for Arsenal in September ..." I'm not sure this needs a footnote (unless all of the others with gaps in their Arsenal career get footnotes too). But I agree with giving names of nations alongside the flags, and expanding the abbreviations for playing positions. Numbering could be a bit misleading - this is not a list of all Arsenal players, just selected "notable" ones. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  • OK:
  1. I've expanded the table headings and made clear that "Career" is discussing their Arsenal career, not their general one.
  2. I've also marked players that have had two spells with the club with an asterisk, and added an explanation at the bottom.
  3. I do not like the idea of numbering the players, it would serve no useful informative purpose (especially as it is clear that it is not a comprehensive list of every player, so it's not as if n would denote this was the nth person to play for the club).
  4. I'd prefer not to specify nationality or position out in full text, as it is the kind of information that gets repeated often on the page - to use full text becomes monotonous and clutters the page unnecessarily. Also, it is fitting with current Wikipedia style on denoting nationality and position of footballers in current squad lists (e.g.) and indeed many other sporting articles. Also, the flags add a touch of colour to what would otherwise be an all-text list. Qwghlm 17:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Re spelling out countries and positions, certainly the flags should stay whatever; but adding a name would help to distinguish, say, England from Northern Ireland (which are pretty similar); and some people may not know the flag of Wales, say. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Although I know not all users think of it, holding the mouse pointer over the flag gives the country name. I don't think the country names should be added because: 1) It is not that significant to the list, 2) clicking the player link (or the flag image) gives you the info if you really must know and in case you don't recognize the flag. – Elisson • Talk 18:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, an already Featured List, List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions, uses flags in the winners' table without feeling the need to explain which country they are for - why can't the same apply here? Qwghlm 20:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, that example also has a "by nationality" table that explicity names the countries next to the flag. The first table doesn't really have space for names; this one does. But if the strong feeling is that names are not necessary, far be it from me to resist. Spelling out the abbreviations for playing positions would be helpful, though. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

• Support. – Elisson • Talk 18:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)