Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Chariot racing

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[edit] Chariot racing

There is no consensus. Article is still a featured article

Chariot racing was featured long ago and meets few of today's standards. No lead section to speak of; not comprehensive; improper image use; no inline citations. Chariot racing certainly does not, "exemplify our very best work". -- Rmrfstar 13:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Can you be more specific, like making reference to featured article criteria? FWBOarticle
  • Remove per nom, the lead is only one short sentence. --Jaranda wat's sup 19:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Remove this is quite an good article, but the lead section does need work and the lack of references is unacceptable... Mikkerpikker ... 22:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, with the condition being that the lead section is improved within a week or so. While I'd certainly expect inline citations of every new FA candidate, I'd be willing to let the older ones stay grandfathered in, as long as they give a comprehensive list of sources as this one does. Andrew Levine 03:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I think it's fair to say this article is mostly my work; I can't do anything about the lack of sources or references, since I am no longer in the same place as the books I used and to be honest I no longer particulary care about the subject. As for the lead section, I'm sure any reasonably competent person could fix that in less time than it takes to make a FARC page. I would also like to say that inline citations are horrible and ugly. Are we writing essays here, or encyclopedia articles? I hope this trend of demanding inline references does not continue. But enough ranting... Adam Bishop 03:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The new lead seems fine, and the article overall also...seems fine. I read the article and nothing bothersome jumped out at me (although it might benefit from more subsectioning). The References seem suitably comprehensive. I didn't review it as thoroughly as I might a FAC, and I have no special knowledge about the topic. Based on that, I don't have an objection to it keeping its FA status. Remove It needs an intro, plain and simple. If the introduction gets written before this FARC nom ends, I'll read the article more closely and possibly change or withdraw my opinion. (In passing, I happen to very much agree with the inline citations comment above -- in general, citations are horrible and ugly indeed -- for all but the most controversial of statements, where a link to footnotes would be useful.) --Tsavage 17:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment More or less for the sheer joy of it, I added a lead paragraph. I don't care that much if the article keeps its FA status or not, though I thought it was interesting and well-written. And I couldn't agree more with the comments about the current mania for footnotes. They're ugly and usually unnecesary and almost always nitpicking and often added only to get an article through FAC and did I mention they're ugly? I had to plaster Henry James (the article, not his ashes) with a couple dozen of the little cruddies just to push the article through FAC. Wouldn't you know, the two articles right after Henry James on the FA list, James Joyce and Rudyard Kipling, don't have any footnotes at all. Oh, for the good old days... Casey Abell 15:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep article improved --Jaranda wat's sup 23:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Still remove. I still don't think the article is up to current featured article standards: it is not particularily well-written, with unprofessional anecdotes and stated assumptions; it is poorly organized, with very little subsectioning. This article is not "our very best work". I say send to peer review. -- Rmrfstar 13:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
      • As I said, I'm not real enthusiastic one way or the other. But there certainly seems to be no strong consensus for removal, so I'd say the article is a Keep. Casey Abell 18:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Rmrfstar: I (quickly) reread the article, and modified my comment a bit towards the negative. For one, the writing is not at all as tight as it could be; combined with lack of subsections, it makes the whole article somewhat bloated and a dense read (which right there isn't FA quality). But, if you could be more specific with your problems (um, examples...)... It's tough, partially because based on the fact (IMO) that current FACs quite often get promoted despite having big problems, I'm in favor of, when in doubt, remove, but that often takes a detailed, protracted argument. Here if I did some quick research, I suspect I'd find significant stuff that's missing, but that takes time, and I believe FARC is based on "consensus", so a couple of keeps may scuttle the nomination in any case. It may sound odd, but for FAC and now FARC, after three months of participating quite heavily (mainly FAC), I've taken to reserving my energy for the noms I see as the most problematic (as, in FAC at least, some of these reviews run on for literally WEEKS). It's not an...ideal situation, with objectors facing much hard work not required of supporters, but it's what we're working with... --Tsavage 18:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
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