Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Léon Minkus

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[edit] Leon Minkus

Originally this article consisted of merely 2 or 3 lines, of which I expanded on a great deal to the present article, as well as moving it, etc. Of all of other articles available on wikipedia relating to ballet hisory and relating subjects I believe it is the most extensive thus far. This article offers information that one cannot find anywhere else on the web, or even in any encyclopedia, as well as teh rarest feature - a complete list of works by this composer, as well as other little known details. I decided to compile from many sources of various studies on ballet history that I have in my posession, all of the sketchy details they present on the composer. One source may contain one thing, while another may contain another. I also added many photos taken by me, as well old ones from my private collection. I am very proud of it, and I have gotten many compliments on it. Mrlopez2681 07:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a thorough copyedit ("w/" is not an acceptable abbreviation in an FA), reference section needs sorting out. It is not "brilliant prose": bits like "Skalkovsky states, quote - "...Mr. Minkus..." sound like a conversation, not the written word. Batmanand | Talk 16:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
• OK so how would it sound better, and what do you mean by "reference section needs sorting out" Mrlopez2681 17:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Reference section is badly formatted, and it is unclear what refers to what; as such inline citations would be a very good idea. Removing the ",quote -" from the above makes that better, but that was just indicative of the fact that the whole article needs a copyedit. Batmanand | Talk 17:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Object - Needs inline references. Needs better structuring... almost the whole article exists under the "Life" section, with no subsections. Article consists primarily of long lists, which should be converted to brillian prose. Fieari 05:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• what subsections? What are inline refernces? What is worng with the whole article being under the life sction? Is the article not about the man's life??? And whats brillian prose? If anyone if going to say "this is not good or this needs to be fixed" it would be nice to hear specifics on HOW to fix it rathere than just merely stating that it needs top be fixed. Mrlopez2681 13:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• AGREE. I think the article is great. I myself am a musicologist and there is nowhere else on the web where one find such a wealth of information on Minkus. The article is very specific, and well written. I find it so funny that these same people who have objected have agreed to feature articel that toally suck! Tonitonitoni 13:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Subsections are the sections of text delineated by "==="; that is, sections below the larger headings. You can read about inline citations at WP:CITE and WP:FN, and they are absolutely necessary for any featured article. I do agree that it is a decent article, but without citations it cannot become featured. —Cuiviénen, Monday, 10 April 2006 @ 13:50 (UTC)

This is the user's only contributions so far. Batmanand | Talk 17:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• regarding anything else on the web for "further reading" there is nowhere else where one will get more information - look up the composer in a goolge search, youll find that there really is nothing except for a few bios, many of which are nowhere near as specific as this one, or which contain some incorect information. All of the sources I used are to be found in books. So should I say where statements are in these book are in the books?Mrlopez2681 14:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment This is a very nice article, though it doesn't meet FA standards. Here's what needs to be fixed:

• The article needs a good copy-edit. This has been said before, but you should preferably find someone else to look over the article and fix some of the rough spots in the writing. Not that the writing is bad, but there are areas that may be unclear as well as things that may be said in a better way. I have experience copy-editing articles and I'll be more than happy to work on this one, just let me know.
• The life section and possibly the music section needs to be further segmented. Take a look at this featured article and note how this composer's bio is broken up under sub-headings (Witold Lutosławski). The same should be done with Minkus.
• You have a large number of red wikilinks. Sometimes, it is simply a matter of finding the exact name that the article is listed under. If there is not an article, one should be started, even if it is a stub. All of these links help in the reader's understanding of the subject. In addition, a name should only be linked once in the entire article. Also, only link things that are vital to the article. For example in one paragraph, both violinist and violin are linked, only one really needs to be linked. Links should also be checked to make sure they are linking to correct article (see:Night and Day).
• You will need inline citations, in addition, the notes/resources list should be structured according to WP:CITE.
• There should be a different way of presenting his works. Perhaps in a table? The current format is simply not as easy to read.

This is indeed a good article, it just has some problems in presentation and formatting of the information. Should you wish me to help out (I have a decent knowledge of ballet as well as music), just leave a note here or on my talk page. Best wishes! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• Yes Ganymead PLEASE do a copy edit! Make corrections! Regarding tables for Minkus' works, I myself dont like them, I havent seen any on Wikipedia that I think look ok, perhaps theres an alternative to the tables for the list of his works? All of the red wiki-links are that way due to the absence of an article, not mis spelling, etc. I will take up the matter, as I have good information on all of the sbbjects.Mrlopez2681 06:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've started working on the article. I have a number of questions on the article's talk page that need to be addressed. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)