Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Atlantis

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[edit] Atlantis

This article contains errors. It purports to recount Plato's description but includes invented facts (e.g. that the island was 700 km across). It needs major fact-checking. Note that any re-telling of Plato's account is difficult. Since the original dialogues are not that long, and available many places on the net, IMO it is better to give only a very short summary and refer the reader to the "original" (i.e., translated) text.--Lindorm 13:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Good article. Well sourced and very informative. --GoOdCoNtEnT 06:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Question Three articles in FAC at once, Goodcontent? Following an FAC requires rigorous and diligent work: do you really want 3 going at once? Sandy 12:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I like it Could do with a dramatic picture illustrating the island being submerged, but this would be a good FA. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 12:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes needs new picture, but besides that, it's great! Also per above. WikieZach| talk 20:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Commment I detest these quotes with the big blue marks, the quote marks are more dominating thant the quote itself.Rlevse 14:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Object; poor referencing. The first level two section needs inline citations, especially where there are quotes. In one place, an entire sentence is lifted from somewhere and not incorporated into sentence in the article. Also needs a serious copyedit: things like "dialog" should have been picked up by now. And yes, the quotes are a little much. --Spangineeres (háblame) 16:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Please do not place more than one nomination at a time — this makes it difficult to do each article and its objections justice. Zzzzz 16:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

    • Comment: There's a translation of the featured German article in progress (User:Athenaios and me are doing it). In my mind the article is pretty much incomplete right now. --Bender235 16:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Object. In addition to all of the above (especially the fact the article isn't stable judging by the translation effort), a two-sentence section (Atlantis in fiction) shouldn't be in a featured article, especially if the topic of the section has pages of content itself. Also, the article to be checked for NPOV - for example, a sentence like "More plausibly, the highly respected Plato scholar" can't be in the article. Jeronimo 21:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Not Ready. I'm a contributor to this article and I don't think it's ready. I'm unhappy with the summary of the Timaeus and Critias, and the "Modern" section is too small and poorly-sourced. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, that means it will be even better in the future. I hope it gets FA eventually, but for now i've struck out my support. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 05:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Forgive me if I'm wrong but quick reading of the article gave me no description of the atlantian society described by Plato or other figures such as Edgar Cayce. There is a bunch of stuff about energy diamongs, flying transportation, spiritual beings/super human stuff being floated around. Some also wrote about connection of atlantis to the bermuda triangle. There is also no mention of theories about how the island was destroyed such as tsunami etc. Also no theories of surviving and migrating atlantians to other parts of the world such as mediterranean, egypt, africa etc. theories. All seem worth mentioning in my opinion. - Tutmosis 14:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually not - at least not that detailed -, because this has nothing to do with Plato's Atlantis. If we add everything to this article what some weird psychic imagined, we also have to add a detailed version of Walt Disney's Atlantis "theory" as seen in the 2001 movie. --Bender235 01:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. A very interesting read, but I think I'd like to see more inline references. SlimVirgin (talk) 05:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • comment I agre with tutmosis. --Pedro 21:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have read the article now and am not sure how applicable my previous point was unless the article has been changed since then. I have a few issues:
  • I dont understand why the section "Receptions" is titled so. The section talks about various other claimed accounts and criticism and discussion of Atlantis by various figures, all mixed together. This type of information is rarely if ever called "Reception" to my knowledge unless you talking about a movie. Also I think this section needs to be split into "Other Accounts" and "Examination and Critism" for example. The names are self-explanatory.
  • There are some prose issues. A copy-edit by a few editors should fix it. Example? one sentence starts with "Anyway,".
  • There might also be some original research problems here with statements such as "are surely put into their mouths by Plato". Who is so sure? I hope its not the article author(s) opinion or if it is a notable figure than it should be stated who and why she/he states so.
  • The two pictures of authors off-balance the text and it be nice if that would be fixed.
  • What does Francis Bacon's novel have anything to do with accounts of atlantis? This bit looks like it belongs in "Atlantis in fiction" unless he actually states that his book is a real historical account.
  • In the "Reception" section there is some information that is not properly explained.
    • "...proposed that Atlantis was somehow related to Mayan and Aztec culture." Ok, how? did they not give an explanation for this?
    • "As continental drift became better understood... theories of Atlantis were shown to be impossible" Ok... can you elaborate on who has proposed that continental drift proves atlantis to be false and how did they make that connection?
  • I dont see the point of the quote by Julia Annas. Why do we need to know what someones opinion is unless they back it up? Im sure there are a million notable figures who have an opinion on the issue. People of interests are those who back there opinion up. She just states how she believes platos work should be interpreted...
  • Why isnt there no information regarding evidence or search for evidence. Example? In recent history underwater rock formations have been discovered that look like a road which influenced some authors/researchers to try to tie atlantis to this. No matter how stupid some scarce claimed evidence sounds, I think its still notable if it has gained notability to be put into works like research literature or televised media.
  • "Atlantis in fiction" section is a stub like already mentioned.

Thank you! - Tutmosis 23:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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