Talk:Fearless (2006 film)

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Contents 1 Grandchildren? 2 am i right 3 Judo Team 4 Not his final movie 5 awkward 6 Thankyou Jet Li 7 Wikipedians read this and perhaps add to the controversy section 8 The last fight 9 The poison 10 Spoiler outside spoiler section

[edit] Grandchildren?

If he didn't have any offspring how can he have any grandchildren?

(warning spoilers!) he apparently had several children in real life. The movie takes liberty a bit by not showing them (and yet not specifically stating he didn't father any children between when he returns to shanghai and when the movie ends).

Also one only needs to look at Fist of Legend to see he had a son!

Well for one thing, Fist of Legend, as well as Fist of Fury are highly fictionalized accounts. Fearless, while less fictionalized than those two earlier films (that weren't even set in the same era), is still a dramatization of Huo's life. Some corners were cut. Obviously, in his wanderings throughout China, he managed to father some children. It's a controversy that only adds to the legend of this folk hero.Wisekwai 19:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] am i right

has anyone see once apon a time in china i think its number 2... the fight sceans and ending are taken from that not a remake but a direct copy

[edit] Judo Team

I think it did say he defeated 10 members of a Judo team.

[edit] Not his final movie

i changed ot to reflect that the movie is nto his last just his most important according to pr.

It should be noted he was said to make this his last epic. Not his last movie CharlieP216

[edit] awkward

"However, he plans to his career in other film genres;" eh?

changed -- mh 12:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thankyou Jet Li

I will miss Jet Li and his contributions to martial arts films.

[edit] Wikipedians read this and perhaps add to the controversy section

The movie merges these two into one boxer who is neither Russian or British but American surprise surprise.

It was a 1901 match with a Russian wrestler in Xiyuan Park, Tianjin that first made Huo famous. The wrestler had openly insulted the Chinese, calling them "Asian weaklings" or "Sick Man Of the East" because no one would accept his challenge to a fight. Huo either defeated the wrestler or the wrestler forefeited the match, which was widely publicized by news papers.

In 1909, Huo, accompanied by his apprentice Liu Zhensheng, traveled to Shanghai to accept an open challenge posed by a British boxer named Hercules O'Brien. The match was preceded by disagreement over what rules it would be governed by. O'Brien insisted on Western boxing rules limiting attacks to punches above the waist. Huo, on the other hand, was more accustomed to the rules of Chinese leitai challenge matches, which lacked such restrictions. They finally agreed that the first person to knock down his opponent would be considered the winner; however, the match never took place and Hercules O'Brien fled the area before the date of the match.

I don't think there is much "controversy" in this... the film is not so much based on the real life of Huo Yuanjia, in fact I will estimate that only 25% of the film has some relation with his real life. This more stuff is more suited in the article Huo Yuanjia. -- mh 12:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The last fight

"The third time was the last moment when Huo decides not to land his fatal punch, though it could be seen that he had simply lost too much strength from the poison to deliver the punch with the same effect he had against Qin."

I thought they both AGREED that it wouldn't be a fight to the death. -Raijinili 23:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The poison

When the japanese diplomat replaced huo's tea with the poisoned one, did Anno Tanaka realise at the end of the movie? To me, it is strongly implied as a yes. There is evidence that supports it, and is strongly shown when the japanese diplomat said "Who say?, Who saw it?" after Tanaka gave the victory to Huo when they were walking out of the arena. Anno Tanaka replied "I saw myself" and then went on telling him that he was a disgrace to the japanese people. Also right after Huo collapsed from his final blow, he said "wait" and held him, observing his face and it looks like he realised or must have seen. This also shows that he must have realised that he was poisoned.

I am pretty sure that Anno Tanaka did know at the end.

[edit] Spoiler outside spoiler section

The Connections to Other Films section contains a spoiler (that he dies) yet is not marked by a spoilers template. Is this a significant enough spoiler to warrant such a template?