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[edit] Deep Realms

Anyone is totally free to add any information that is pretty reliable to this page as there isnt much info yet.

[edit] Title confirmed?

Has this title been confirmed anywhere? If it hasn't, we probably shouldn't have the page yet, especially since we don't know anything about it. (If we had loads of info and no title, we could use "Deep Realms" as a placeholder, but I'm reluctant to have a page for a hypothetical title of an episode with no information. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

The info comes from http://www.drwho-online.co.uk/ [1]you go to forums then at the bottom of the page you can select the topic choose season 2 spoilers then the top link, titles (confirmed). this was posted today by the site editor/ forum administator and i feel this is enoudh info to put it on.--Benbo 21:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

The title needs firmer confirmation than just the site admin; at least The Age of Steel has been announced in DWM. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Where has The Age of Steel been announced? The new DWM isn't out until next week and the last one certainly doesn't have it. Angmering 23:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Scratch that, seems I'm all out of kilter. Evidently it's out this week and subscriber copies have landed. Angmering 23:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

this has been strong rumor though so it is understanable that it has been confirmed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.112.103 (talk • contribs) 14:46, February 21, 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify: "The Age of Steel" is confirmed in DWM, but "Deep Realms" has only been confirmed on the drwho-online.co.uk forums. So what should we do about this page? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I suppose we can leave it for the moment but make the necessary caveats in the article (as I've done), although I fear this will encourage speculative titles in future. Another option is to move it to "Doctor Who Series 2, Episode 11", but that's an awkward title. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


Episode 11

Although the title name has been widely rumoured as Deep realms, Doctor who online reported that sources from Andrew Duncan, Matthew Pilkington, Pete Chester & Nathan Baron of The Doctor Who Yahoo Group said that the name of the episode is "The Eyes That Saw Forever". Godzilla 2 21.05 (UK time)

I've found the source at the YaWho group: Nathan Baron says, "A BBC source has informed us that the titles for episodes 8 and 11 will be Planet 14 and The Eyes That Saw Forever, respectivly"[sic]. Anyone know this source, and whether he's reliable? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Never mind. No sooner had I joined the YaWho group than I received this email from the same Nathan Baron: "According to a source close to the BBC, the titles for episodes 8 and 11 will be Planet 14 and The Eyes That Saw Forever, are in fact fakes. Since we are unsure if they are fake or not, we will remove them for now from out front page. " That settles that (even despite the peculiar grammar). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

i saw that on Doctor Who online, a member called Baddwolf (no spelling error) had a feeling that the Slitheen would return. Godzilla2 22:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fear Her sounds Familar

I'm sure I've heard the phrase used in Doctor Who episodes before. Is it another 'Bad Wolf' type reference or am I just going slightly nutty? Darksun 13:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Nut loaf, I think. ;) "I believe in her" is the closest thing I've got offhand, unless it's been in the many classic stories I haven't yet seen. TransUtopian 18:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe someone is thinking about "She", the book by Rider Haggard? PaulHammond 21:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Futury things

So. This is the first 'near future' one (as opposed to 'one year from now'). I spot:

the bbc news 24 captions say

  • COUNTDOWN TO THE GAMES
    • ...LONDON ... PRIME MINISTER TO ARRIVE SE
    • GUARDED SECRET BUT OFFICIALS HAVE REVEA

Morwen - Talk 22:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the Home Office and Met Police, which have faced many "hits" by the media and politicians this year, have had a radical shake-up by then. David 20:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Surely N24 will change its graphics before 2012, the current ones are nearly 4 years old already! No channel keeps the same graphics for 10 years nowadays. Also its likely the 24 will be dropped from the name by then. Oops! About the Met, split up into multiple forces (unlike most other forces, which will have merged) Digifiend 13:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It's mighty pretentious of the beep to even assume that N24 will even be around by then! --Conan-san 18:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I notice flat screen, widescreen, HD tvs with multiple ones per household. Need to re-watch to check for tv arials satelite dishes, etc - suspect the beeb might assume its all IP TV by then. Was it just me or were the cars just regular current ones? --Nantonos 01:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The cars all seem to be today's models and many in the background still had 05 and 55 plates consistent with the time of filming. I think they only bothered disguising the ones that stayed in shot for long periods, such as the 61 plate on the drive where the boys were playing football and the 09 plate on the mini that conked out. There were in fact very few cars on the drives at all, which may mean most people were meant to be at work in the day scenes and that they all use their garages in the night scenes.--82.14.68.109 07:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
All the cars were chosen to look very modern though; note the Smart Forfour and Peugeot 407, both of which have futuristic body styling. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 11:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Not everything that is supposed to look futuristic actually stays that way for very long, I mean De Lorean DMC-12--152.163.100.202 13:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

In ref to the first comment. "Dalek" was set in 2012 Utah, though other than Rose mentioning she should be 26, there's no other near-future indication I recall. TransUtopian 18:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repeat

Another London during a "National Event", people vanish into media, family member sequestered upstairs, story. Rich Farmbrough 21:50 24 June 2006 (GMT).

Yeah, it did remind me of The Idiot's Lantern. The Olympic spirit arguably got shoehorned in to the emotional plot, whereas the Queen's Coronation was critical to the baddie's plan. TransUtopian 17:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top Banana

One of the notes says that this phrase is a reference to a CiTV show, but is it really? I mean, I personally have heard this saying in many, many uses before now, I just assumed it was a normal everyday phrase? The_B 23:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Same here. --217.42.79.40 00:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Although "edible ball bearings" is somewhat wierd. --Nantonos 01:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Me too. It's also been the nickname of a darts player for several years. Recommend we delete it. Essexmutant 01:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I definitely know of a movie called Top Banana made in the 1950s starring Phil Silvers, and I think even this was based on an earlier Broadway show of the same name, with the same cast. And in any case, do we have to note the origin of everything the Doctor says if it isn't a continuity reference or significant in some other way? I reccomend we delete too. --82.14.68.109 07:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

It's another version of "Fantastic!" (hmm). The show was clearly named after a common and current phrase, rather than the other way round. Why are edible ball bearings wierd? I liked them when I was a kid! PaulHammond 21:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Theme Tune

Is it me, or does the theme tune to this episode sound slighty different?

- Daniel W. Blackwell


I saw someone else say they changed the theme tune in The Age of Steel, but I've listened to the theme tune before and after that in quick succession and haven't heard a change. Except, after the episode title appears, there's been a few seconds of the vortex snaking aound and a wooshing sound effect (which I'm fond of) starting in The Idiot's Lantern, except for The Satan Pit, where they smash cut into the opening. Is that what you mean? TransUtopian 17:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torchwood

Re: the statement regarding the BBC announcer mentioning Torchwood, what did (Huw?) say? I must have missed that, but it does seem a peculiar thing for him to say... --Harris 12:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed the statement, since it's very hard to hear. When the reporter is talking about the disappearing spectators, he says something that could be "Torchwood". However, Chloe is talking over him at the time, so it's impossible to tell for sure. We'll need independent verification on this one in order to include it in the article. -- MisterHand 16:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I can clearly hear him. Chloe says, "We won't be alone, Chloe Webber. We'll have all of them. And they will never feel alone, ever again." Then the announcer says Torchwood as part of a statement which is otherwise obscured. TransUtopian 17:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Storm

"A storm is approaching..." (last words) and "The oncoming storm?" (Dalek name for the Dr.) implies two things to me: the "you are not alone" message for the Doctor, and (more blatantly) the Daleks in the finale... 82.32.100.218 19:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

...or just that "storm" means something foreboding. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and two metaphors have no links other than etymological. DonQuixote 20:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BBC News ident

There's been some pretty unbelievable plot-lines in Dr Who in the past, but...
BBC News keeping the same ident for the next 6 years??? Come on, who'd ever fall for that one!--Tivedshambo (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

And had they made up a new ident, fanboys in 2012 would be pointing out it's not right. Short of actually designing the BBC's 2012 ident now, it's lose/lose... —Whouk (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I guess the Doctor won't actually light the Olympic flame either ;) Tim! 21:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I would conject that Doctor Who is set in a parallel universe from ours. Vitriol 00:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes; otherwise I'm sure the Auton attacks in London would've made the news. And we'd have a new PM by now. :-) --DudeGalea 06:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Doctor tasting from the jar

What was it he was eating? I think it might have been marmalade, considering the yellowy-orange label. It was probably some sort of jam, at any rate. Did it ever show it on the Doctor's fingers? Vitriol 00:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Orange marmalade. (screenshot) It's too far away to see if there's anything on his fingers, and the jar could be empty and just dark actually. This shot is the closest to seeing something on his index finger, though it could be just motion blur.

I'm guessing it refers to his tactile love of tasting, touching everything, like the wood door in "Tooth and Claw". :) TransUtopian 17:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia - ref to 2004 Olympics

In the trivia section: Details of the torch run at the opening ceremony were not consistent with the ceremony used in 2004. The Doctor takes the torch its entire way through the stadium and lights the cauldron; in 2004 it was handed over several times and finally lit by a particularly notable person. - is this really relevant to the show? The show is depicting the 2012 event, not 2004. Unless there is something I have missed.. -- Chuq 07:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The commentator on the news did say that "no-one wants to stop him," so maybe there was an important person lined up but they didn't want to stop the doctor.

More trivia - well a theory really - surely Dale Hicks, the name of the last boy to disappear - is an in-joke on the word Daleks? ThePeg 2006

It's possible, but unless someone involved in the production goes on the record to say it's the case, it shouldn't be added to the article as fact. —Whouk (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why did the torch-bearer fall down?

From the plot in the article, "The pod homes in on the torch, landing in the flame. [...] Trish, Chloe, Rose and Kel watch the torch-bearer stagger and fall, but another hand picks up the torch — the Doctor."

Why did the torch-bearer fall? The BBC sports announcer says, "We did see a flash of light earlier that seemed to strike him. Maybe he's injured", but I only saw him stumble and the torch flare brighter. I didn't see the fire strike him, or the torch-bearer looke like he was distressed until he fell down 2 minutes later.

I hope this question is okay here, because it's something I'd like to make clearer in the article, unless I'm misunderstanding something. TransUtopian 17:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it was ever made clear in the episode why the runner fell down, he just did, I suppose more for dramatic effect more than anything. The_B 16:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edna Doré trivia

Why is this trivia note part of this article: "Edna Doré, who plays Maeve, is best known for playing Mo Butcher in the soap opera EastEnders from 1988 to 1992." While this is certainly true, it has nothing to do with Doctor Who or this episode. Readers who want to know more about Doré can follow her link and read her article. We should not be providing a full biography of every guest star on the show within the episode articles. -- MisterHand 14:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

There was a Doctor Who special, Dimensions_in_Time. It was a crossover between Doctor Who and EastEnders. That's the only connection I can think of. Crockalley 12:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not fussed whether the note about Dore is in or not; but the additional DiT connection is a bit too trivial, especially since Dore wasn't even in DiT. I do note, however, that we do include in some other articles notable guest stars, with a link to see Celebrity appearances in Doctor Who. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. So, just add the Celebrity appearances in Doctor Who link then? Otherwise, it doesn't seem relevant. Crockalley 15:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree, seems a bit pointless having it in the notes here. Angmering 17:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Normally, I am very anti the removal of notes as a whole - (I've seen many of my relevant points vanish) - but this point does seem unnecessary. It's not relevant to the episode or to Doctor Who. If this point is allowed - why not list what all the rest of the cast are best known for? The only reason Nina Sosanya gets mentioned for previous roles in the Notes section is because those were alongside Doctor Who actors in this episode. Doré's hardly an A-List star and one can find out about her previous roles by clicking her name in the Cast section or by looking her up on imdb. I just don't think it is notable. I say just remove it. Finallycreatedaccount 02:14, 30 June 2006

I initially agreed with the "What's the point of having her appearance mentioned in the article at all?" group. But then I read khaosworks' point and I remembered seeing episodic Dr Who articles over several months with guest stars well known in Britain for being in other programmes (even though I don't know 99% of them — the 1% being John Cleese in City of Death). I'll probably recognize more as I watch more BritTV.

Sometimes the actor is linked plus Celebrity appearances in Doctor Who, sometimes the other famous program is named, sometimes more detail is given about the actor's appearance in Dr Who.

I don't see a problem with it, it currently has precedent with that listing article interlinked with many episodic Notes, and sometimes it might be referenced in a newspaper article, magazine interview, or behind the scenes commentary. TransUtopian 03:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd strip out all Celebrity appearances from Notes for this and other serials: it's an entirely subjective observation and the separate listing page is the best repository. :Litefoot 05:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
heres a giggle for you....Eastenders is the most successful doctor who spin off to date....actors cross over all over the place, the cancelled 1985 season payed for eastenders creation (as the top secret E17 project) and Dimensions in Time predicted correctly several notable eastenders plot developments including sharons return, martins running of the fruit and veg stall etc etc....and now this week, we have two more eastenders actors (a former watts and a Perrari no less) as well as peggy mitchell and dens ghost.......oh, and of course the doctor pointing out the cataclysmic events that follow the statement this'll be the best christmas walfords ever had ...the question is, does that make the mitchell brothers canon? 22:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)jaime9526

[edit] Darlek reference

Is it just me or does the final line "something's coming ... a storm" sound like the "The Oncoming Storm" from The Parting of the Ways? Me lkjhgfdsa 20:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic films

User:Fmon and I both added in a link to Olympic films as a see also. Khaosworks removed it both times. Now, seeing as the episode is listed there (as of here), I think it's a fair link. Should it be here? It can't hurt the article, surely? --Thelb4 19:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why are the Isolus here?

Maybe I'm missing something but why is the Isolus information here instead of in List of Doctor Who monsters and aliens? I know they're not really evil, but then neither are Forest of Cheem (and others) and they are on the list too. --GracieLizzie 18:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Because the list is getting way too cluttered. The Isolus is here as part of an effort to redirect minor, less notable aliens into the episode/story articles associated with them. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 18:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see. But out of curiosity what makes the Forest of Cheem more notable than the Isolus? I'd say they are about the same level of notability. --GracieLizzie 18:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not bothered either way; but the prominence given to the Forest of Cheem in publicity material at the time and in the Monsters and Aliens book might go some way to providing some justification. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 18:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
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