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Trishbunkey aka Webmutt (new name)

Harrassment=

Alphachimp is threatening to suspend me for removing old messages from my talk page and trying to clean it up. I would think he's targeting me because I brought about that whole mess. Can you please tell me what the problem is with trying to clean up my own user page? SHould I email wiki again? Trishbunkey


Your archive and vandalism?

Hi. Er, just wondering, but did you intend to do this? I suppose you're free to self-vandalize if you wish, though it seems to sort of counteract the usefulness of the archive. --Saforrest 21:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Meh, the database was jacked up last night so I couldn't entirely fix it. Just hadn't gotten around to getting back to fixing that. FCYTravis 00:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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Gerry Studds

Hey, amigo, take the protect off "Gerry Studds." I think you're letting your sexual preference sexual orientation cloud your rational thought. The edits you have called "vandalism" (not done by me) are nowhere near vandalism. What or who are you trying to protect. Unlock it now and lighten up. You've been an admin for too long to act in this juvenile way. Stop showing favoritism and be even-handed. Now!!! Rossp 17:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)rossp

Why have you protected this without comment? I could see a vprotect, but you need to explain a full protection on talk. Derex 23:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
The edits I called vandalism are clearly vandalous, as they potentially libel a living person. Please see our policy on the biographies of living persons. This is an encyclopedia, and all negative unsourced material is vandalous per se. If you re-insert those statements, you may be blocked. FCYTravis 23:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
If you are answering me, as the indentation suggests, then you are _way_ out of line here. I simply asked a question, because you did not explain why you had protected. I intended to a cat to that page. Derex 00:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I was answering Mr. Rossp, who now appears to be under 48-hour block because an IP that is likely his went back and immediately re-inserted negative unsourced material just minutes after I unprotected the article. Now do you see why I'm particularly picky about living persons issues? The reason for protection was in the protect log - "BLP issues." In retrospect, I could have explained it better, and should have done so. Also, my apologies for the misdirected indent. FCYTravis 00:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I too am picky about BLP. I would have prefered if you had simply blocked him, but it's no big deal. Could you add cat Congressional scandals to it please? Derex 00:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Already been done :) FCYTravis 00:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Elvis Presley

Sorry for bothering you again. As far as I can remember you are also one of my mentors. There is an edit war going on with User:Lochdale who frequently removes passages I have written from the Elvis Presley article. The problem is that Lochdale simply claims that my edits are questionable, but this is not true. He also claims that most books do not support my contributions, but he is wrong, as facts show. As a kind of compromise, in my recent edits I didn't mention sources such as the controversial manuscript book by Elvis's stepmother Dee Presley, primarily centering on what is written in reputable Elvis biographies. But this material has also been deleted by Lochdale. It seems as if this user did not read any of the major Elvis biographies. I have not yet seen that he has given direct quotes from one of the sources he claims to have read. He frequently misquoted Guralnick's name as "Guralnik" in the past (see, for instance, this discussion), and he didn't even know the exact title of Guralnick's book Careless Love: The Unmaking Of Elvis Presley, as he cited it as "Careless Whisper". See [1]. He also disparages university studies I have used for my edits. He says, "I would disagree with that the information presented is really worth mentioning as a lot of it seems to be from college disertations etc...." See [2]. This statement speaks volumes. Lochdale's primary aim seems to be to delete my contributions. Just one question. Is there a reasonable argument for excluding the whole paragraph on Elvis's male friendships from the article? See [3]. These friendships with members and employees from the Memphis Mafia are well documented and part of every Elvis biography and they are certainly accepted by the mainstream, as all these people played a significant part in the singer's life. Why should this paragraph be totally removed from the article? On the other hand, look at the unsourced "Trivia" sections of the article, for instance [4], and sections such as Elvis Presley in the 21st century or Elvis Lives?. These sections are fan stuff in no small degree, as they are always singing the praise of the megastar. Is all this material encyclopaedic? I don't think so, but some users, among them Lochdale, do frequently support these sections by their contributions (see [5], [6]). Though I am not of the opinion that all this material should be included in the article, I never removed these paragraphs, as Lochdale frequently does with my contributions. In my opinion, Lochdale is part of an Elvis fan group which endeavors to suppress specific details about the singer's life from the article, if he is not somehow related to multiple hardbanned User:Ted Wilkes (there was already a discussion concerning my suspicion here and elsewhere). And what about the well documented FBI files I have cited and the false claims by Lochdale concerning these files? See [7]. It seems as if I am the only user who frequently, and accurately, cites his sources, and Lochdale is frequently deleting the passages I have written. These are the facts, and this is not acceptable. As for the last edits of Lochdale, I think he has repeatedly violated the three-revert rule during the last 24 hours by removing the same paragraphs from the Elvis Presley article. See [8], [9], [10], [11] [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. Perhaps you can help or inform another administrator who may find someone who is able to work out a compromise. Otherwise the edit war will continue. Here are the well-sourced paragraphs which were recently deleted:

  • Relationships Several authors have written that "Elvis busied his evenings with various girlfriends" (Connie Kirchberg and Marc Hendrickx, Elvis Presley, Richard Nixon, and the American Dream (1999), p.62) or that his "list of one-night stands would fill volumes" (Jim Curtin, Elvis: Unknown Stories behind the Legend, p.119). However, it is unclear whether the "sex symbol" actually had sex with most of these girls, as there are statements that the star "would never put himself inside one of these girls..." (Byron Raphael with Alanna Nash, "In Bed with Elvis," Playboy, November 2005, Vol. 52, Iss. 11, p.64-68, 76, 140) and Peggy Lipton claims that he was "virtually impotent" with her. (In her memoir, Breathing Out (St. Martin's Press, 2005), p.172, Peggy Lipton attributes his impotence to his heavy drug abuse. She relates that Presley was like a "teenage boy". "He didn't feel like a man next to me - more like a boy who'd never matured." When he tried to make love with Peggy, "he just wasn't up to sex. Not that he wasn't built, but with me, at least, he was virtually impotent.") Showgirl Cassandra Peterson says she knew Presley for only one night and all they did was talk. (Ruthe Stein, San Francisco Chronicle, August 3, 1997.) Priscilla Presley and Suzanne Finstad also claim that the singer wasn't overtly sexually active. (Priscilla Presley, Elvis and Me. Suzanne Finstad, Child Bride.)
  • Relationships Apart from his relationships with women, Presley lived a homosocial life, as he spent day and night with many male friends and employees whom the news media affectionately dubbed the Memphis Mafia. Among them were Sonny West, Red West, Billy Smith, Marty Lacker and Lamar Fike. Gerald Marzorati says that Elvis "couldn't go anywhere else without a phalanx of boyhood friends." (Gerald Marzorati, "Heartbreak Hotel", The New York Times, January 3, 1999.) According to Peter Guralnick, for Elvis and the guys "Hollywood was just an open invitation to party all night long. Sometimes they would hang out with Sammy Davis, Jr., or check out Bobby Darin at the Cloister. Nick Adams and his gang came by the suite all the time, not to mention the eccentric actor Billy Murphy ..." (Peter Guralnick, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley, p.72.) Samuel Roy says that "Elvis' bodyguards, Red and Sonny West and Dave Hebler, apparently loved Elvis—especially Red ... ; these bodyguards showed loyalty to Elvis and demonstrated it in the ultimate test. When bullets were apparently fired at Elvis in Las Vegas, the bodyguards threw themselves in front of Elvis, forming a shield to protect him." (Samuel Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power (1989), p.87.) "Of all Elvis' new friends, Nick Adams, by background and temperament the most insecure, was also his closest." (Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys, p.250.) In an interview, Red West confirms that Adams "was a friend of Elvis’s and I went to Hollywood and met him. He helped me get into the first door and then Robert Conrad who did "Hawaiian Eye" and "Wild Wild West", we played football every Sunday when Elvis got back and all those people would come out..." (See RED WEST INTERVIEW.) Guralnick writes that the singer "was hanging out more and more with Nick and his friends" and that Elvis was glad Colonel Tom Parker "liked Nick." (Guralnick, Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley, p.336, 339.) During the first year of their friendship, Presley showed Adams Memphis and other places which were important to the singer, for instance, Humes and "the Tiplers at Crown Electric." (Guralnick, Last Train to Memphis, p.339-340.) According to Guralnick, in Hollywood, it "was good running around with Nick ... – there was always something happening, and the hotel suite was like a private clubhouse where you needed to know the secret password to get in and he got to change the password every day." (Guralnick, Last Train to Memphis, p.410.)
  • FBI files on Presley According to one of the best documented accounts, Elvis was the victim of Laurens Johannes Griessel-Landau of Johannesburg who was hired by the singer as an alleged specialist in the field of dermatology in Bad Nauheim, Germany, but had made homosexual passes at the singer and his friends. On 24 December 1959 Presley decided to discontinue the skin treatments and Griessel-Landau endeavored to extort sums of money from the singer. Elvis "was interviewed on 28 December 1959 concerning his complaint that he was the victim of blackmail..." According to the FBI files, Griessel-Landau "threatened to expose Presley by photographs and tape recordings which are alleged to present Presley in compromising situations." An investigation determined that Griessel Landau was not a medical doctor. Finally, "By negotiation, Presley agreed to pay Griessel-Landau $200.00 for treatments received and also to furnish him with a $315.00 plane fare to London, England." After having "demanded an additional $250.00, which Presley paid," a day later Griessel-Landau made a "telephonic demand for £2,000 for the loss of his practice in Johannesburg." Then the blackmailer departed to England. (Thomas Fensch, The FBI Files on Elvis Presley (2001), p.30-34.)

I do not understand why these paragraphs have been deleted. Onefortyone 17:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

request

perhaps this diff should be expunged from the edit history? is that within your adminly powers? i imagine it violates some policy or other, but it seems common sense to me. Derex 06:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, you had the right idea. They're gone. FCYTravis 06:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Claim about AP report

Could you add a reference to the AP report where you put it back to 1997? Thanks. JoshuaZ 17:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Advocates for Children

Have you still been following the talk page for this article? Am I completely wrong about this article? I know that this article ranks pretty low on the importance scale, but it seems like just one part of a more persistent problem in all of the related articles. I never even knew what any of this was until I stumbled onto the article -- I am beginning to resent "random page" for sending me there. shotwell 21:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

damn quotes

Thanks for catching these in the cites I've been dealing with... Grr, Haiduc just added more to my plate. :P Kyaa the Catlord 22:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Foley scandal

Tradesports is not "far less authoritative" than public opinion polls. Scientific analysis has shown that public market exchanges are quite accurate indeed. As to whether they are "more interesting" or not, I think they are more interesting (and authoritative) than FOX News, which among other things, has called Foley a Democrat. I would appreciate it if you would be more respectful of my edits. Thesmothete 07:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is a link to some of those scientific studies. Generally, the market exchanges are at least as accurate, if not more accurate, than "expert pundits". They are also of greater significance than polls, because they measure the projected outcome on election day, rather than what the public's mood happens to be on the day of the poll. Finally, not all polls are of equal quality, some ask different questions some use computer vs. human operators. Some use more vs. fewer people. The market exchanges don't have those kinds of problems. Thesmothete 07:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
The opinion poll is not from FOX News - it is from internal Republican sources leaked to FOX. At any rate, the poll is highly negative toward the Republican Party - which one would certainly not expect to ordinarily hear from FOX. That makes it, if anything, a bit more plausible - if FOX is reporting bad news for the GOP, it's GOT to be bad. I hope you would recognize the limitations inherent in TradeSports - it samples nobody and simply fluctuates with the various media, punditry and, yes, POLLS. Where would TradeSports be without polls? Lost, I imagine. TradeSports is essentially a finger on the pulse of "conventional wisdom." Useful, certainly, but not as useful as a well-designed scientific public opinion poll. Remember, we are writing for the reader. What will the reader understand better - that some thing called "tradesports" he's never heard of has "lower value" on the GOP, or that two opinion polls have shown highly negative results for the GOP? FCYTravis 07:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
First of all, my original edit didn't even mention Tradesports. I just said "independent public market exchange". I'm happy to hear your suggestions for how to improve the explanation, but Tradesports seems to be good enough for United States gubernatorial elections, 2006 (see table), so it should be good enough for here. As to your comparison, to a single partisan poll, as opposed to the whole world putting its money where it's mouth is (including those, for example, with inside, non-published information that could be more accurate), is not convincing. Also, I have offered to you more than my opinion. I have offered scientific, peer-reviewed analysis. Please show me if you can offer a similar countervailing analysis. Thesmothete 07:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
What is TradeSports based off of? That is to say, how do people come to a decision to "buy" or "sell"? Two ways - I'm sure there are partisan people who do nothing but buy the party they like and sell the party they hate. Secondly, people actually in it for the game - but how do they know which one to sell and which one to buy? Yeah, they read the pulse of conventional wisdom - they follow the polls, they follow the pundits and they follow the media. Then they make educated guesses. This entirely misses that sometimes conventional wisdom is utterly and totally wrong.
Take the 2004 Democratic caucus in Iowa. I was an orange-hatted Deaniac on the ground in Des Moines on Caucus Week. The CW was that Dean was going to steamroll. Dean contracts were selling at 50 cents, Kerry at 20 cents, "rest of field" (including Edwards) at 10 cents and Gephardt at four cents. Oopsie. Kerry won easily, followed by Edwards, WHO HAD NO CONTRACT AT ALL PRE-IOWA, with Dean trailing badly. Wow, talk about a swing and a miss. The guy who nobody could even buy before the Iowa caucus ended up being the only one in contention with Kerry throughout the primary campaign. They even had to put out a press release saying, "ooh, hey, we've got an Edwards contract now."
The lesson? Markets are reactive, not predictive. They follow the conventional wisdom as established by news reports, punditry and, yes, pollsters. It is a useful CW pulse tool, and not much more. FCYTravis 07:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Again, you have offered anecdote as opposed to scientific analysis. It is true that poorly-traded (i.e. low-volume) exchanges are less predictive than larger ones. Tradesports was recently written up in The Economist as being large enough to accurately predict many races. Let me put it another way -- if you think Tradesports is less accurate than some surprising Republican Poll -- then go make yourself a fortune RIGHT NOW (don't wait!) and buy shares from all those silly sheep who don't know as much as you do. Thesmothete 07:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Anecdote? It's a specific example of the market failing to come anywhere near predicting the outcomes. The CW everywhere was that Dean was going to walk, so the sheep all bought Dean. Oops. Bad choice. FCYTravis 07:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Um, yes dear, that's what an "anecdote" is. An example. I'm sorry that it didn't work out that one time. However, just because there was one (state primary!) race somewhere on some exchange does not mean that they are, on the whole, less reliable than are polls, on the whole (as those studies I linked to show, and there are more where that comes from). And in fact, this particular exchange, becuase of its size and ability to amalgamate a whole lot of information at once (as opposed to leaving it to our not-trained-in-political-analysis encyclopedia readers to try to do it on their own), it is in fact far more likely to be an accurate measure of the extent the Republican's chances have fallen. Indeed, the other information doesn't even measure that. Whereas the market actually quantifies it. If there was some tiny exchange that was betting on Foley's own district, you might have an argument, but the "House control" exchange is quite large and accurate. I'm going to bed now. While I respect your opinion, I would appreciate it if you would not impose it on wikipedia users just because you can edit while I'm alseep in another time zone and can no longer argue. Spend your time making money off those fools who think Tradesports has it right and we can debate it more tomorrow. Thesmothete 07:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"Please stop pushing TradeSports as more important/interesting than a pair of national opinion polls" oh, and this just in from the page from you, while I was typing here. I don't want to lose my cool here, but why do you get to be the one (and not, for example, me, or all the editors of the other political pages that use Tradesports), to determine what is interesting . Please consider trying to achieve consensus on such things. Really going to bed now. Thesmothete 08:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

You might want to protect or speedy the Jordan Edmund redirect. Someone undid it. Derex 23:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry

I am sorry for my part in anything that i posted here (the talk page of you know who) that was involved in the OTRS ticket. I never meant to do anything wrong. It was my fault. Copied to FCYTravis's page. --198.185.18.207 13:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

KLM shares it's Hubs with Northwest

Northwest Airlines shares it's Hubs with KLM. Note how Northwest has a hub in Amsterdam which is KLM's home base. Also notice the integration between the two airlines. When you call Northwest Airlines, notice that the machine reads, Thank You For Calling Northwest/KLM. You CANNOT compare US Airways to Northwest's integration with KLM, it is uncalled for.

That's because Northwest actually has multiple flights into and out of Amsterdam to dozens of American cities. KLM has zero flights out of Detroit. Thus, AMS is an NW hub but DTW is not a KLM hub. FCYTravis 19:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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Star wars kid photo

Do you think it qualifies as fair use? PS: I don't know if it's intentional or not, but there's no link to your archives on this page. I found it hard to believe you were an admin for a moment... yandman 07:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleting questionable external links

Thank you for you interest. From what I read on the Vandalism page I did not commit any vandalism that was listed there. But perhaps I did not comprehend one of the sections.

As for deleting. I have been doing a lot of research on religioustolerance.org. I have read hundreds of articles and checked the footnotes. 99 percent of the articles are written by one man.

Although I find some biases that exists on the site

My overriding problem with this site is it contains many footnotes and references that are dead links. Mr. B.A. Robinson also references more links that don't confirm what the author asserts in his article. It also has quotes and other information that has nothing to confirm the information.

I have been recently trying to find reliable external links to replace religioustolerance.org

But as I have a desire for readers of Wikipedia to get the best information possible religioustolerance.org does not qualify.

It has it's own entry which is reasonable but to make it an external link or reference for other articles contradicts Wikipedia's preference for reliability. at least that is my understanding after reading the guidelines. But perhaps I misunderstood.

Thanks for taking the time--Robbow123 22:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


  Thanks again.    I think I know the answer to this but want to be confirmed.   If I start a discussion about this  should I take the time to illustrate the many instances that I 

 find lead to it's unreliability.   This would be a long essay but I think the best way to make your point is back it up with lots of evidence not just one or two instances.
If it's very long will it be read?

Another question. You mention a discussion that took place about RT.ORG. Where would I find that> Thanks

All the best--Robbow123 22:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

US Airways Fleet Amounts and Aircraft

According to US Airways Fleet Fact Sheet (last updated September of 2006) says they do have the aircraft I inputed into the table. You cannot make false assumptions as they are not true.

Visit http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/aboutus/pressroom/factsheets.aspx and click on Fleet Fact Sheet.

Also, a long haul route is considered to be overseas. (usually more than 7 hours)

US Airways

I completely agree with you as to the amounts of the aircraft. That is just what US Airways has put in their Fleet Fact Sheet which is hard not to believe. US Airways, I doubt, would post that if it was untrue.

Merced and Visalia

Do you have a source for the fall 2006 service date for Merced & Visalia? I could not find these listed on the US site and read through a lot of sites that don't have a date. Vegaswikian 06:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

  • My concern was that I could not find any date or indication of the service on the US site. Would it be better to list the start date as TBD? Also, Southwest does run direct service on the DAL-LAS route. At last count there were 5 flights a day. Vegaswikian 21:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I'll wait for a firm date from US then about the flights to MCE/VIS starting but with nothing on the schedule, I stil think we should consider listing those as TBD. The project page has said 'List non-stop and direct flights only' with a caution about the frequency with which direct flights can change at hubs. With the LAS service, and I suspect most of the west coast service, Southwest has all but said these will be non stop flights as soon as the law allows. So I think that listing these would be valid. These direct destinations are not likely to be changing. Vegaswikian 00:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm not suggesting that we list every direct flight with stops for Southwest. Just the ones that are not associated with the hub routing concern. DAL-LAS is going to happen and so are DAL-LAX and a few others. So those should be listed in my opinion. Vegaswikian 00:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

SFO assessment

Is knowldge of SFO as important for an understanding of modern California as, say, the Central Valley? Somehow, I don't think it is. Is it as essential as Proposition 13? Again, I doubt it. How about the Sacramento River Delta, or the San Francisco Bay, or perhaps the Inland Empire? Does it come close to truely famous locations such as Yosemite Valley, Pebble Beach, the Golden Gate Bridge? Disneyland? The California Supreme Court? Mission San Diego de Alcala? Is SFO as important to knowing the culture of Californians as History of California, Government of California, California English, Cuisine of California?

Yes, it is the second busiesist airport in California, but it is still just an airport. No one, except pilots, visit a state because of the airport. If this was Wikipedia:WikiProject Air transportation in the United States, then a "top" level importance assessment might be appropiate, but it's not. It's WikiProject California, and at best, this is a mid importance article. Gentgeen 06:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Anthony Mercieca

Thanks for reverting this to the redirect. I found it unsavoury that it had become an article without sources, based on hearsay, and focused on the recent accusations.John Vandenberg 07:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

California SR infobox discussion

FCYTravis, you are invited to participate in the (definitely less structured than WP:SRNC) WT:CASH infobox discussion. Please feel free to share your thoughts and ideas. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 01:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Travis, please accept my thanks for your support in my successful RfA, which I was gratified to learn passed without opposition on October 25, 2006. I am looking forward to serving as an administrator and hope that I prove worthy of your trust. With my best wishes, --MCB 17:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC) (P.S. Hope you like the image... that's where I wish I was right now (in F or C but not Y, that is!))

Formatting Userboxes for everyone...

Hey FCYTravis,

Can you help me turn these userboxes I just created into short form ( This form

id info

) Instead of the way I have it now (The long form).

Heres the first one (For fans of X-Play)

X This User Gives Adam and Morgan a 5 out of 5

and the second one (For Fans of Garden State)

GS This User knows that there's beauty in the breakdown.

Thanks for your help,

Bkissin 00:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

POV tag

I would normally agree with you on adding the POV tag back in but the user hasn't even read the article. He doesn't know the plan and knows little about economics or taxes. The POV tag requires that there be some POV that is not represented in the article. He hasn't shown anything that would justify such a tag. He stated one criticism that was missing and it was pointed out to him that it was in x section, he then mentioned another criticism that was pointed out to be in y section. I don't have a problem with working on adding criticism and working on correct tone (as you recently did). However, he has shown nothing - he just claims it's POV. Is this acceptable - can anyone that doesn't read an article, doesn't know a topic well, just go to an article and add a POV tag? Then the editors are required to leave it there while the guy offers nothing to justify it's addition. I've requested user Famspear be an external party to help resolve the dispute since he has never edited the article but has a great deal of knowledge in taxes. Your comments would also be welcomed - while we disagree on areas and wording, I think we've always worked it out and never refused or excluded a POV once aware of such. One of his big issues was actually suggested by you - Summary style split of the "predicted benefits" and "other efforts". This created an sub-article that was mostly positive toward the FairTax (as it was the predicted benefits) - so now he claims it is POV. But again, offering no other significant views that are not included. Morphh (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

David Quinn (actor)

Hello there. I don't know if you remember, but about 6 months ago there was a minor dispute over this article and you got involved.

I am currently find myself having a discussion with a fellow editor about this article. Basically the fellow editor wishes to add this sentence:

In addition to his commercials and television appearances, Quinn also performed in the original LIVE AID concert in Philadelphia, singing with Mick Jagger and Tina Turner in the show's finale.

I looked in the imdb entry for Live AID and could not find Mr. Quinn listed as a performer. I also looked at Live Aid and could not find him listed there either.

The fellow editor wishes to use a photo in a book as a reference. I have ordered the book to see if the author and publisher identified the people in the photo. Mr. Quinn himself has participated in the discussion to say that he is in the photo.

Basically, I feel that the sentence should be left out until I check out the book. I feel that unless the author identified the people in the photo then the contributing editor is the primary source.

I'm just wondering if you have a few moments could you comment on the discussion on the talk page?

The discussion basically began at Talk:David Quinn (actor)#New references

Also the other editor has accurately summarized the discussion and created a new section for comments Talk:David Quinn (actor)#Request for comments

TheRingess 05:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I could really use your input here. A student of his is going so far as to modify his imdb entry just to get this 1 piece of information in. He is not participating in any discussions. I have opened up a case with the mediation cabal but could use a little bit of extra input.TheRingess 14:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

United

Should I switch the table layout of United Airlines to the Northwest Airlines table look? (which is the same for almost every airline anyways... not only northwest)

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BAMN

Actually, I did not mischaracterize anything. They were accused of being terrorists. Read from the articles:

  • Some political groups that have operated on campus were "involved in terrorist activities" according to an FBI document released by the American Civil Liberties Union on Monday.
  • Three groups, the East Lansing Animal Rights Movement, Direct Action and BAMN, or The Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, Integration & Immigrant Rights and Fight for Equality By Any Means Necessary, were all referred to in the document called "Domestic Terrorism Symposium."
  • The FBI document details a meeting that took place on January 23, 2002 and states the Secret Service, FBI and MSU Department of Police and Public Safety, among others, met to discuss the activities of various groups who were thought to be involved in terrorist activities statewide.
  • The MSU State News today reported that an FBI document listed local Michigan left-wing scum groups such as Direct Action, BAMN, and East Lansing Animal Rights Movements as having possible terrorist connections.
  • Three more political advocacy organizations are now known to be under federal and state law enforcement surveillance for alleged ties to terror groups.
  • Law enforcement agents explicitly state that the groups – an affirmative action advocate, a now-defunct animal rights organization and Michigan-based anti-war activists – into the same category as radical right wing hate groups like the Aryan World Church. Agents monitored the groups and noted they considered them potentially dangerous.
  • In addition, By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), a national advocacy group working to defend racial integration and affirmative action in education and the workplace, is cited as a potential terror threat, the papers show.

I don’t see the issue with my edit. However, if you feel the need to edit the page, do so. I can see changing the statement to read “BAMN was put on a terrorist watch list by the FBI.” Though I find this statement to be unnecessary POV pushing (at least more than stating an accusation since an accusation is simply an accusation--it means little). However, given the sources and the fact it got national press, a total deletion is inappropriate. There is a tenable base for my statement. I would also like to note this issue was discussed on the talk page. From what I could see, there was only one person against the change. Yet she did not deny the allegation. Instead she cited a document stating BAMN had been non-violent in the past. This does not remove the fact there are legitimate sources that claim a terrorist connection; while stating they were put on a terrorist watch list. If this isn’t an accusation that they are an organization with terrorist ties … what is? CraigMonroe 13:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


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Why did you take off my contribution to Kyra Phillips page. It was a legitamite add. Come on!


Venona/Soviet Spies vandalism

There seems to have been a concerted, and successful on the whole, effort to vandalise articles, dealing with Soviet spies, many of which you'd contributed to. Affected articles apparently include Samuel Dickstein (congressman), William Dodd (Congressional candidate), Irving Kaplan, Norman Bursler, Edward Fitzgerald (adviser), William Plourde, Jack Fahy, Jenny Levy Miller, Richard Lauterbach, Ricardo Setaro, Sonia Steinman Gold and Lud Ullman. The editors have come and gone: Nonobs (talk • contribs), SigmundFraud (talk • contribs), WimpysHamburger (talk • contribs), TooChinKim (talk • contribs), Sue Blime (talk • contribs) and ZiyiPark (talk • contribs), all pretty obvious nyms and sockpuppets. It might be worth checking related articles for similar vandalism. I didn't figure this out on my own, it was mentioned on the mailing list. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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