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[edit] Masters and Servants

I know it's a really big spoiler to mention who is a master, but I was thinking that the section might look better if it was seperated into "Master" and "Servant" categories rather than "Main Characters" and "Minor Characters." If you think this is too much of a spoiler to seperate like that, please let me know. I won't touch anything until someone gives me thumbs up. Mirioki 5:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Broken into Main characters, Secondary characters, and Minor characters, as there are some people out there who fit neither, and some minor characters get more screen time than some Servants.--み使い Mitsukai 15:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
there are also those who are in both categories Shinigami Josh 04:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Realta Nua?

What is this? [1] --Raijinili 22:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

PS2 version of F/sn. Comes out on December 29th. No h. Fully voiced. Moogy(talk) 01:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't the name up on the page? --Raijinili 17:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
It is now. Moogy(talk) 14:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fate/Stay Night PS2 Release

Ive looked at most english sites and even the PS2 website itself, but I didn't find any mention of the game.

According to the article here, it is supposed to be out by 2006.

I haven't been to Japanese language sites so I don't know if they are mention there...

Are they really releasing a game on the PS 2 console? 134.117.166.74 06:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The official website is linked above and here's the amazon.co.jp listing: [2]. -Seventh Holy Scripture 07:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh, okay thank you very much! Can't read Japanese script but at least I know. 134.117.166.74 19:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
It's been delayed to 2007... Moogy(talk) 14:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology Stuff

Hey, everyone, it's been a while. Anyway, I was going to ask that we come to a consensus on some minor stuff: the first is History/Past as terms sections for describing the experiences of certain characters. I think "history" would be best for Servants, and "Past" for normal humans. Regarding terminolgy as well; spell names, like Gand and Reinforcement, should be italicized, and we should also agree on which terminology, that is, Imaging or Tracing, we should agree on for Shirou's skills. Terek 04:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Tracing seems to be the best choice in my opinion. It is the most commonly used term and the most widespread to date, not to mention Imaging has a few issues:
1) Nobody has still made up their minds about it being Imaging or Imagining
2) The term itself causes confusion because people know Tracing already and eventually think the two are separate things.
3) It causes people to misinterpret what the whole process really is and makes them think Shirou can just "imagine" whatever he wants and make it appear.
As for History/Past and italics, that's perfect for me. Ephyon 12:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citing Sources

I'm of the impression that Wikipedia doesn't like original research, and frankly much of the stuff here was taken from other Wikipedia articles or the fansites Fuyuki Wiki + The Moonlit World. How exactly do we cite our sources with fansites? I originally had citations for Archer in that manner for Fuyuki Wiki but then I was told by a fellow editor that's not permitted, so I'm not sure what to do. For now, I've just left an external links section at the bottom of certain pages with pertinent information related to what is brought up in the articles. Typically, The Moonlit World works for character biographies and Fuyuki Wiki for specific game parameters. Terek 04:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Many things probably cannot be cited accurately in accordance with Wikipedia's rules. You and I both know that The Moonlit World and Fuyuki are accurate, but there's nothing to corroborate them for Wikipedia, unfortunately... Unless, of course, you could actually find the magazine articles/fanbook passages that they translate, and reference them instead. I believe that referencing the information with the original Japanese text by Nasu would work. Perhaps I'll try to find some of the original material later... In the meantime, I've been adding references that are covered by TYPE-MOON's official sites, such as release dates and such. Oh yes, another nice thing to have would be a citation for F/sn's sales numbers/popularity... I'll work on finding that, as well. Moogy(talk) 14:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template Change

Regarding the template, I changed it since it was quite bulky and was cuttering up the bottom of pages a bit, especially the main page. The current one is long and is much better to look at; regarding the colour scheme, it's an old one I used and it's not Wikipedia standard, but I noticed a lot of articles from One Piece to the University of Southern California have "custom" looking templates, so I thought I'd add a touch of originality for FSN, since it's one of the few anime to actually *have* a tempalate (and the only visual novel), let alone a custom one.
I'm debating with myself, though, as to whether or not I should include Fate/Fake in the template as well. I noticed there was an article to it when I checked the "category" section for FSN. Do you lot think we should add it? Terek 06:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, Ok, I saw the the little edit war on the template page. Frankly I liked this version better. It is a little big, but it is fairly well organised and it's easy on the eye. To avoid spoilers completely, we could plug Gil down like with Sakura in Other if needed. I'd add Bazett and Caren under Other and Avenger either under Servants (My preference) or Other, since making that much of a distinction between Stay/Night and Ataraxia seems pretty pointless.
The version present at the bottom of the discussion page is smaller, but presenting Sakura, Kotomine and Soken as Masters right off the bat is a bit too much in regards to spoilers.
As for present version, while it does serve a certain purpose and there is a bit of organisation in the order in which they are mentioned, it looks a bit too randomised and clunky.
Anyway, that's my input on it. If we can't agree, I can suggest a voting on the issue. I mean, there would be like three votes in total considering how many people concern themselves with these articles, but it would be better than an eternal stalemate. Ephyon 22:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I really don't think Fatal/Fake should be on there. For one, it's not an official TYPE-MOON product, unlike Melty Blood. In addition, its article is terrible. Moogy(talk) 22:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I should explain some issues first before delving further into the template debate. According to TYPE-MOON's page for [Realta Nua] (which I based the template I provided on), TM considers listing Shirou, Rin, and Ilya as Masters to be non-spoiler. In the "other Gilgamesh + Zouken aren't even listed, so their very presence is some type of spoiler. At that, Shinji is marked as "other".
Now, since this FSN article is meant to be comprehensive, there's no way we could hide the fact that three Matou family members have no relation to the Holy Grail War, or that a guy with a name like "Gilgamesh" isn't a Servant. "Golden Servant" isn't a canon name, so we can't use that; as such, there are some spoilers we can't avoid, so I opted for the low-spoiler route that we have on the main page. So, this is why the template has the placements as they are.
At that, Caren and Bazette were removed since they are *not* from Fate/stay night! They're from hollow/ataraxia, and while relevant to the FSN story they were added ex-post facto, and therefore can't be included in the FSN template or the main page. The same goes for Avenger, who was merely "Angra Mainyu" in FSN and wasn't even directly addressed, he was just "pollution" in the grail.
Finally, regarding colours + dimensions. I've been told by some other editors on messageboards that width is preferred over depth, that is, wider templates are better than taller ones. This holds true on message boards as well; provided the frames aren't distorted, a long template works fine; check out what I did for the Servant Status in the Servant pages. At that, regarding the colour scheme, that's just one I whipped up; granted, some work did go into comparing the colours with other templates and looking for colours that complemented one another, but if you lot don't like 'em that's fine with me provided the format is preserved. I just thought that since a large number of "complete" templates have custom colours, and our very own "TYPE-MOON" template uses a mix of dark colours, FSN should distinguish itself from all the other articles. After all, the goal of all our work is not just to promote FSN, it's to produce an "A" rated anime article, of which there are only a handful and are not nearly as large, comprehensive, or interesting as FSN. Terek 04:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Tables

How do I add extra tables to certain sections? Terek 06:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind, I think I've got it. Terek 08:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode Citations

I noticed other articles are mentioning specific episodes in anime where something was introduced; while this would be difficult to accomplish for the game-related FSN material (because this article is oriented primarily toward the game), should we do this on the main and subpages? Terek 23:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, the F/sn game is divided into days. I believe there are 15 days in each path, but don't quote me on that. You could probably say something like "Fate route, day 7," if you wanted to reference like that. Or hell, use an anime episode. Moogy(talk) 00:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abilities Sections for Servants

On an additional note, I feel we should start adding abilities sections for Servants, but they need to differ from the Noble Phantasm format since we can't put up images to condense the paragraphs of the descriptions, such that they look like poorly-constructed sentences stretched across a screen. My proposal is to include ranking specifics in the table information, but elaborate in paragraph form in the abilities section akin to what we have for Rin and Shirou. I'll write one up for Archer when I get home. Terek 23:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


Alright, all; I've finished the abilities section for Archer, and I'm proud to say that's the first *completed* article for the Servants. I'd ask all of you to follow that model for the other ones as well; I listed all the Servant attributes in the status tables, while elaborating in the abilities section. "role" describes what said Servants did in Fate/stay night, while true identity is their history. I think I'll be working on Gilgamesh next; what I really regret from not doing earlier this year was finishing Lancer and Berserker's biographies, since I did a ton of research and its all gone to waste since I deleted everything (hah). Terek 04:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music Track Listing

I've got the FSN anime music track and I want to include that info on Wikipedia, but I'm not sure about how I should go around doing that. Suggestions? Terek 06:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

You could try to create an article about the album as such articles like Kanon soundtracks, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni soundtracks or Ouran High School Host Club soundtracks to name a few. Just make sure you include the proper infobox for the album.--(十八|talk) 06:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

We've got two genre criteria on the main infobox; one lists the elements of FSN's plot, that is, action/fantasy/seinen/drama, and the other what type of game FSN is, that is, visual novel/eroge. How do I change the name of the second "genre" to "type"? Terek 06:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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