Talk:Fascism as an international phenomenon
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[edit] To do
This is a section from the Fascism article. I've taken see also, references and external links along, some of the entries can probably be removed. I've made all country entries into subsections, but now we have titles containing links. Please fix unless I have done so already. Also consider whether cleanup tag is still needed and introduction can probably better.
- Huh, forgot the c in Fascism but someone conveniently created a redirect for it. Piet 20:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name
I've though about a shorter name but didn't find anything better. If you do, go ahead. The ones I didn't like included "International fascism" as that seems like one movement, "Fascism internationally", "Worldwide fascism", ... Piet 19:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Belgium
Belgium was a democracy so I would move the Belgian section to "democratic nations". OTOH There was probably a puppet government under the occupation, but the movements described played a role when Belgium was still a democracy. I'm hesitating, comments? Piet 19:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
On second thought I would propose a new sectioning:
- Axis
- Other regimes in the 1930s
- Fascist movements in democratic countries
- Regimes under the occupation
- Overture (is that word correct?) to the Muslim world
Piet 19:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
That's a good idea. I don't really think occupation regimes should be in this. They were not movements and rarely had any popular support, and some were not really even fascist, like Vichy France. I think we should have this:
- Axis
- Fascism in Authoritarian States
- Fascism in Democratic Countries
- Overture to the Muslim World
- Fascism Outside of Europe
- Questionable Fascist Movements
Also what about Action Francaise? GANDALF1992 13:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think it would be an improvement, but I'm not going to do it myself since my task list is already too long. But please go ahead. Piet 12:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Section merger proposal
Section on U.S. from Fascism and ideology. I oppose the proposed section merger. There is already a short section on this page. The entire contention that the US was or is fascist has almost no serious scholalrly support. The public debate on this matter is miniscule. Fascism and ideology was created in part to allow marginal right-wing, libertarian, and other views about fascism in the US to have a home here on Wikipedia. If we are talking about serious mainstream scholarship, the one paragraph on this page is sufficient.--Cberlet 13:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree that any one article should be set aside for any POV; but, if we are to do such a thing, we should at the very least make the POV absolutely clear in the article name itself. We could move the section to Libertarian perspectives on the New Deal, for example. Otherwise, we should eliminate the libertarian POV and integrate any meaningful content in this present article. -- Nikodemos 19:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
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- On second thought, after reviewing the section in question, I do not believe it is POV. Granted, it discusses a marginal viewpoint at length - so it may be giving it undue weight - but it is certainly not biased in favor of that viewpoint. I have reorganized it slightly and integrated it into this article. -- Nikodemos 02:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Gee, that's a relief. For a moment I was worried that you might actually discuss my comments.--Cberlet 03:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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I'm sorry, but wasn't my first comment a reply to yours? You made the following points: (1) public debate on the matter of the New Deal being fascist is minuscule; (2) Fascism and ideology was meant in part to appease the crowd of libertarian POV-pushers who kept trying to impose their POV on other fascism articles. My replies were: (1) true, but we have to discuss that marginal POV somewhere, and this article seems like the most logical choice; (2) POV-pushers should never be appeased if we can help it. You are an extremely valuable contributor on far-right issues and I wish we could work together. -- Nikodemos 05:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
