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This page was later moved from Talk:Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) to Talk:Falkland Islands. -- Docu

• Archive of discussion prior to March 11, 2006 Straw Poll is here
• Archive of Straw Poll & Falklands vs. Malvinas naming debate (March 11-30, 2006) is here
• Archive of discussion from March 11. 2006 to September 27 2006 is here

[edit] Name should also include Ille Malouines

The first paragraph of the article should also include the French name Ille Malouines as this is still the name used by the French and French speaking countries.

Try telling the French post office anything else! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.248.193.146 (talk • contribs).

And how about the name used in Chinese, or Swahili, or Arapaho? Please remember that this is the English language Wikipedia. TharkunColl 14:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. The French name is the original name for the islands (Iles Malouines, from the port town of St. Malo in France), and is the origin for the Spanish name "Malvinas". I think it's definitely more relevant to include it than it is to include the Chinese name or any other silliness. The name in other languages is bound to be a local variation on either Malouines or Falklands anyways. 24.201.253.66 19:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Quickly, think of what you call the largest city in the state of New York, United States. Now, here are a few sentences from the History section of the New York, New York article:

... European settlement began with the founding of the Dutch fur trading settlement, later called New Amsterdam, on the southern tip of Manhattan in 1613. ... In 1664, the British conquered the city and renamed it "New York" after the English Duke of York and Albany. The Dutch briefly regained it in 1673, renaming the city "New Orange", before permanently ceding the colony of New Netherland to the British a year later.

I think that the history of New York City is relevant to this discussion, but make of this history what you will. Val42 02:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "The Malvinas" -> "the Malvinas"

Not trying to stir up the hornets... but I've made a (very) minor change to the lead. I have changed "The Malvinas" to "the Malvinas", as it is not correct to capitalize "The" in this case. (Check out this Argentine government page.) There was a previous reversion of this change when another editor "de-capitalized" the "the", with a summary note about the consensus version. However, I cannot find a reference in the archives as to the use of "The", and I don't think it is correct to capitalize it here. (We've been having a similar discussion over at Moon for a while, as there was some debate as to whether the name is "Moon" or "The Moon".) Anyways, if there is a part of the discussion that covered capitalization, please point me to it, and I'll certainly apologize if I've made a mistake. Thoughts? --Ckatz^chat_spy 21:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

A note to "Gibnews" - it would be nice if you could please provide something more than just "look a bit harder" when you revert - there's been a lot of discussion on this page and its archives, and I made an honest attempt. You could at least have left a more helpful comment. (Sorry if this sounds like I'm irked, but come on...) --Ckatz^chat_spy 18:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Long ago, after fierce battle, the consensus was reached that the ISO designation, which uses the initial capital, would be used. I suspect that Gibnews was merely defending that hard-won compromise. -- Gnetwerker 18:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I went back a fair ways in the talk archives, but obviously not far enough. I appreciate the information, and can understand the frustrations that surface with regards to this particular article. It might be worth establishing a short note at the top of the talk page that outlines the agreed-upon compromise, with notes on particularly hard-fought points such as including "Malvinas" and capitalizing "the", to avoid future problems. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. However, in reviewing the record, I feel compelled to correct myself. I said above that the capital 'T' in "The Malvinas" was part of the ISO designation. It is not. I spelled out the "facts", such as they are, here, and the core (perhaps "germ") of the consensus can be found here. My opinion is that this doesn't change anything, but mea culpa, I did not mean to mislead. -- Gnetwerker 20:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: Now I really have to eat my words. Here is the version of the page at the time of the consensus. The lower-case initial 't' was used then. (Sigh) My advice -- work this out with Gibnews offline. I will mediate if anyone thinks it will do any good and that I am unbiased. -- Gnetwerker 20:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my comment seemed abrupt, it was simply meant to be concise, it took a lot of discussion and hot air to achieve a consensus that everyone could live with. Frankly, what the Argentine government says does not matter, the Falklands are British. However, in order to keep everyone happy the orignally agreed wording and style should remain intact. There used to be a warning in there to that effect. Having gone through the exercise one would hope it is not necesarry to the can of worms.

I got banned from the Spanish wikipedia for posting a picture of a roadsign to Stanley which some mistakenly believe has another name. The people of Whitby would be dissapointed. --Gibnews 14:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)