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One of only two aircraft to capture an enemy antiaircraft missile. Atol air-to-air missile failed to explode and wedged itself into the fuselage of an F-105.
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[edit] Expansion
I have considerably expanded this article. Please copyedit, expand, and reference as necessary. - Emt147 Burninate! 20:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
That is a lot of work! How do you do this so fast? --plumalley
- I've had a lot of free time in the past few weeks, I'll be busier starting on Monday. Plus it's hard to stop once you start writing. - Emt147 Burninate! 23:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] THUD RIDGE
Hurry hurry before somebody finds out about your navigation.
Thud Ridge is not south of Hanoi, it is north. 21 16 47N, 105 49 37E north to 21 39 30N, 105 29 22E easily seen on Google-Earth--plumalley
It was necessary to fly completely around Hanoi and approach from the NW, to avoid the world's most heavily defended air space. --plumalley
- I've updated the article with this information and the coordinates. - Emt147 Burninate! 23:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks--plumalley
[edit] PAUL DOUMER BRIDGE
There is an article on Paul Doumer, the French Engineer. He build a REALLY! solid bridge that was highly resistant to destruction by 750 pound bombs. We lost a LOT of airplanes trying to take that bridge down. It was a repeat target, and AAA guns were permanently situatated at both ends of the bridge. You can see it north-central of Hanoi, across the Red River, on Google Earth. Finally we tried with 3000 lb bombs, one on each wing, only the F-105 (fighter in the world?) being able to use this weapon??. Despite our not getting the kind of sequenced release pattern possible with five x 1000. I don't know how long we worked on that bridge. I remember losing four airplanes in a single day on that bridge. Some hot fighter pilot will pehaps have more and more precise info on this bridge. We wrote a SONG about the bridge.--plumalley
[edit] OOPS
No it is not a series of hills, it is a single razor back ridge, standing all by itself in the Red River Valley bottom; a signal visual navigaional location for stressed fighterpilots, behind which they could hide, one side or the other, usually the north side, from SAM Unfortunately, there was a Mig fighter field at the south end, where we could look, not not shoot--plumalley.
It is not between the Red and Black rivers.
- Thank you. I've corrected the article. Have you had any first-hand experience with the Combat Martin F-105Fs that were supposed to jam MiG communications? Judging by their very limited deployment I guess they were not especially successful but the information on this project is very limited. - Emt147 Burninate! 02:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Five Weasels lost by August 1965
I don't know about 1965, and the F-100s. Me and mine arrived at the 354 TFS Takhli, in July 1966 with five "F"s and 8 crews. (the proper ratio to keep the aircrft flying) I think four aircraft were gone by October,without available replacements, two crews MIA, two rescued; plus my pilot disabled--plumalley
[edit] REALLY GREAT JOB OF EDITING
It is difficult to talk about the deficiencies of the 105, and get a 'balance" You did great!--plumalley
[edit] KAMIKAZI
In discussing life with the F-105 you might want to look into what may be a myth, or may be fact; namely that the nuclear SIOP missions east from Germany were one-way;
I knew we were SIOP tasked to return our B-52 from Rostov half way around the world to Edwards AFB salt flats to be recycled with fuel, weapons and crew. It was possible, though unlikely. --plumalley
- I think if nuclear war were to start, all missions would have been one way. The F-101B Voodoo had a hard enough time escaping the blast of a mere 1.5 kT Genie rocket. I don't know how well a low-level strike fighter like F-105 would have fared after tossing a megaton-range explosive. I know toss bombing was practiced but as far as I know they never actually tried it for real so all the evasive maneuvers and chances of survival were very much theoretical. - Emt147 Burninate! 02:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes; but my question concerns the official battle plan. There were lengthy procedures in place to get MY B-52 back. Land & refuel depots were planned at Tehran, Khrtoum, Dakar,, Racfe, to get us to California. Our weapons were all parachute "lay-down" with a timer, no problem about detonation.. The question which is really interesting: Did SIOP direct nuclear delivery F-105's to clear the target area and soon bailout upon fuel exhaustion? I think I heard this from Buddy, my pilot.
Concerning Thule AFB I have noted in the discussion that I flew reconnaissance from here in 1956. It is a very interesting story , but perhaps not a suitable insertion in the time line. I have added considerable words last month in the B-47 article We were the flight that was shot at and got away.---plumalley
- I can believe that F-105 strikes were one-way missions. The interdiction would've happened at high speed and low altitude which means afterburner and gobbing up tremendous amounts of fuel. Afterburner-on range for most military aircraft is in the hundreds of miles.
- Very interesting about the B-47. I recently met the son of late Francis Gary Powers who started a Cold War museum on the east coast. As I understand he is planning to include a tribute to all the reconnaissance crews that disappeared while flying missions along the borders of the Soviet Union. I remember seeing MiG gun camera footage of a burning turboprop (P-3 Orion maybe, I honestly don't recall), very scary. - Emt147 Burninate! 19:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Combat Martin
According to Dr. Alfred Price's excellent books on the history of electronic warfare, Combat Martin was used exactly once.
National Security Agency signals intelligence officers suddenly realized that the USAF was trying to jam North Vietnamese fighter-control channels and immediately told the Air Force to cease and desist -- from the NSA's point of view, the intelligence obtained from monitoring the communications outweighed the benefits from jamming them.
The Air Force might not have agreed, but the NSA was the law in the signals domain, and that was the end of Combat Martin.
Just an input to Wikipedians. I am not a member of this community and have no plans to become one.
MrG (Greg Goebel) / www.vectorsite.net
- Thank you for the input and thanks for the excellent VectorSite. I will track down the reference and add this information. - Emt147 Burninate! 05:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What is a "tape instrument"?
The article mentions it:
The F-105 had a spacious cockpit with a good layout (particularly after introduction of "tape" instruments)
—Bromskloss 21:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Via google images, 2nd page using search terms tape instrument... vertical tape gauges displaying engine information. I'm no avionics expert, so thats all I can add. Dual Freq 22:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
We think of classic aircraft dashboard indicators as dials, but they could be hard to read, and so later in the days of analog cockpits there was a tendency to go to linear instead of circular indicators, with the value indicated by a bar or "tape" moving up (or across) the linear range of values.
MrG -- 22 Oct 06
