Talk:Extreme points of the United Kingdom

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Contents 1 Northern Ireland 2 Rockall 3 The Lizard / Scilly Isles 4 Easternmost point in Wales 5 Southernmost point in Wales

[edit] Northern Ireland

Why no Northern Ireland? -Rwv37 19:49, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)

Good question. I have attempted to rectify. Trilobite 00:33, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rockall

As far as I am aware, Rockall is contested by Ireland and Iceland as well as the UK. I'm not sure it counts as part of the UK (by anyone elses standards).

Zoney 23:38, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The Lizard / Scilly Isles

How can the Southernmost point of the United Kingdom and the Southernmost point of England be in different places? As far as I know the Scillies are still part of the U.K.

Donald Renouf 04.09, 26th July 2004 (British Summer Time)

Southernmost point of the UK and of England is in the Scillies — they are further south than the Lizard. Southernmost point of mainland England however is the Lizard. Trilobite 23:57, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How can the southernmost point of Great Britain be different to the southernmost point of England? How can they differ? If the Scilly Isles is part of England, and England is part of Great Britain, then the southernmost point of England and Great Britain will be the same.

Joolz 14:32, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

England is a country which includes much of Great Britain and some small surrounding islands. Great Britain is an island. Warofdreams 14:36, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm aware of those facts thanks, (I can only assume you're being purposely patronising because I clearly said "England is part of Great Britain" not "England is Great Britain"). I obviously didn't express myself clearly enough. England occupies the southern portion of Great Britain, The Scilly Isles are part of England. The Scilly Isles are also part of Great Britain. Therefore it would make sense that the Scilly Isles were listed as being the most extreme southernmost point in Great Britain as well as England. Basically, what I'm saying is the southernmost point of Great Britain is not Lizard Point but the Scilly Isles. -- Joolz 18:52, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you didn't read it carefully. England is a country which includes much of Great Britain and some small surrounding islands. Our article on Great Britain explains that its main, geographical definition is as an island. Warofdreams 10:22, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Easternmost point in Wales

I have corrected this once but I'm not fully confident in my correction. The border at the far eastern edge of Monmouthshire is a north-south line with many small twists and turns in it - if anyone has any definitive information on which bit extends furthest into England please go ahead and update. I am not making any great claims for Bulwark. Trilobite 00:58, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have had a look on the maps and co-ordinates given via Streetmap's website, and I think I have found a better candidate.

The easternmost point of land on the riverbank near Bulwark, which you suggested, appears to be here: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=354545&Y=191695&A=Y&Z=3 which shows as 02d 39m 29s west. (grid ref ST545916)

However, further upriver not far from Symonds Yat there is a small wiggle of border further east: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=355290&Y=214165&A=Y&Z=3 (grid ref SO553142) which shows up as 02:39:00W or maybe even 02:38:59W, i.e. half a minute of longitude further east :)

On the 1:25,000 map this area seems to be called Lady Park Wood so I have updated the main article. 143.252.80.124 12:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm confused. The easternmost point of Wales is Lady park Wood, but the easternmost point of the Welsh mainland is Bulwark? Something not right there... Grutness...wha? 05:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

My mistake - I forgot to change the mainland section when I changed the Wales part. Fixed now.

[edit] Southernmost point in Wales

While I've got the Welsh maps out, it seems to me that Rhoose Point is marginally further south than the nearby Breaksea Point. Streetmap agrees, giving 51:22:51N for Rhoose Point, 51:22:52N for Breaksea Point. Also found a couple of websites that back it up, e.g. http://www.glamorganwalks.com/porthkerry.htm and http://www.britishwalks.org/walks/2003/373.php ("Rhoose Point is the southernmost point in mainland Wales, a fact that a sign proudly told me.")

Anyone have any reasons not to change it? 143.252.80.124 13:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

No one did, so I have made the change. 143.252.80.124 13:34, 25 May 2005 (UTC)