Talk:Extermination Order
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[edit] Assassination Attempt
It was never proved that Orrin Porter Rockwell was ever connected with the assassination attempt on Governor Boggs. In fact, there is more evidence against the idea of Rockwell as the assassin then there is for it. The major source where I drew my conclusions from was...
- Richard Lloyd Dewey, Porter Rockwell: a Biography, Paramount Books, ISBN 0961602406 (1986; Hardcover, 13th edition, 2002).
- Numerous other sites and several Volumes of History of the Church that gave evidence for and against Rockwell.
My conclusion is that he is innocent, but since it is up for debate, that section of the article just needs to be re-written.
Potatosalad 23:28, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Legality
Despite the fact that the First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits making a "law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," General Boggs still enacted a law that was constitutinally illegal. The first Amendment protects the worshipping in any way they want, and also makes it illegal to make laws relative to one's religion. Madd the sane 17:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I watched "Utah, the Struggle for Statehood" last night on TV. It is a three-part series on the area that is now Utah, from when the Mormon pioneers arrived in 1847 until a few days after Utah obtained statehood on January 4, 1896. They covered three Supreme Court cases about 1890; all three were judged in the disfavor of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members. One of them upheld a law in Idaho that stripped Mormons of all of their rights of citizenship simply for their religious affiliation. If the Extermination Order would have made it to the Supreme Court of the time, I suspect that it would have also been upheld. Val42 02:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- True, but isn't the supreme court supposed to uphold the constitution and not undermine it? I'm sorry, I know I'm in a losing battle. --Madd the sane 03:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- You'd think so. But the only check on the US Supreme Court is the US Congress. Since the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of the constitutionality of anything, if the Supreme Court makes a decision that is clearly "unconstitutional", is it really unconstitutional? If Congress does not remove those Supreme Court justices who voted for the "unconstitutional" decision, the decision will clearly stand. But what if Congress votes to remove the Supreme Court justices and they refuse to stand down, ruling that the "removal" was unconstituional? What we've been discussing (in our opinion) violates the constitution and Congress didn't act to remove the justices. The people of the time were behind (what we consider) the unconstituional acts of the Supreme Court and the failure to act by Congress. These were the circumstances of the time. Val42 03:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Primary Source
I found the scan of the original document in the CES manual online. If anyone can find a better way to get an image of the primary source, it would be a good resource in this article. It looks to me like the image fits public domain, because you can't copyright an image of someone else's work (i.e., the State of Missouri), and the original document is old enough. But if it makes anyone edgy, please find a better source! Jerekson 22:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
