Talk:Evil albino
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[edit] Da Vinci code?
Wasn't there some controversy about the da vinci code because it used this stereotype? I remember seeing this on the daily showBorisblue 00:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Anansi Boy
I might be wrong but, I think Grahame Coates is not an albino, it's just a white man, probably with white hair. Almost all the other characters in the book are black or of mixed origins, unless not clearly stated. --129.132.143.8 16:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Ideal
I always thought that people who think blonde hair & blue eyes are the most beautiful...would love albinos. that's a real blonde hair blue eyed person
[edit] Proposing merge
Please post any comments in Talk:Albino bias to get any discussion reasonably easy to follow. :-) That is not to say I'm taking a stance of which article should be merged into which though; I just picked a place. -- Northgrove 22:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- Re the proposed merge: Both articles have value, and I don't feel either is overstated. I would prefer to keep the "evil albino" listing because I believe we have recently made a breakthrough in making this particular phrase something of a joke among comedians and film makers. If movie industry movers and shakers begin to realize the "evil albino" is a lame, hackneyed cliche, they might be inspired to move on and create more imaginative characters.
User: brynfarr. And please, I'm new at this: if I've placed this in the wrong part of the discussion, please feel free to move it where it belongs!
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- You should post this at Talk:Albino bias as requested, or it's unlikely to be noticed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- PS: Merging the articles won't affect the memetic value of the phrase "evil albino" since under the proposal it would be its own section under Albino bias, and the current page would redirect there. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Nay. Don't merge. Ditto reason from brynfarr. Dragix 01:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- You should post this at Talk:Albino bias as requested, or it's unlikely to be noticed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] palpatine and Silas?
Palpatine was not an albino, he was just deformed and even though Silas was a villen, the book really made you feel sorry for him. 24.63.167.114 19:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)p.h
In the Prequel Trilogy, Palpatine is portrayed as having pale white skin, and at various times is shown to have red eyes. The DVD of Empire Strikes Back agrees with this portrayal. Silas is a villain, and whether or not the reader will pity him does not change the fact that he remains a villain. ViceroyInterus 18:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Malfoys
Before I delete them as countless others have before me, is there any evidence the Malfoys can even be remotely associated with albinism? In the films they are normal (in terms of appearance), and I don't recall the books mentioning pale skin. If no one responds to his by tomorrow, I'll remove their mention. ViceroyInterus 19:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Draco Malfoy's most prominent physical characteristics are his pointed nose, pale skin, and white-blond hair. There have been many mentions that he looks exactly like his dad. He also has "cold, grey eyes". In addition from the 6th book, he is described as "tall" and "thin". However, I don't believe that JKR was focusing so much on his supposed albinism as much as she was focusing on his resemblance to the Aryan race. JKR has compared the Malfoys to Nazis before. O well, do what you want. Dragix 01:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
That doesn't count as albinism, and your point works in my favor. Gone they are, (again). ViceroyInterus 02:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, it is stupid to say that any Malfoy is albino. Tonyjeff 13:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree, I do not think the Malfoys are albino at all. I think they're just supposed to have the stereotypical nordic look. Just because somebody has pale hair, skin, and eyes, does not automatically make them an albino. I say remove their mention, by all means. 20:11, 06 November 2006
[edit] Final Fantasy VII
Couldn't Sephiroth be considered an albino? --Lionheart Omega 19:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
No, he wouldn't be considered an albino. He has a typical skin tone and silver hair. In fact, a lot of these 'examples' I wouldn't even consider to be albino stereotypes. Take Rei Ayanami for instance. How is she albino? She has blue hair and a typical 'asian' skin tone. - Anonymous, 15:44, 3 July 2006
[edit] Jacobim Mugatu
Would Mugatu counts as an albino? In the flashback of him, he doesn't have the white hair etc hence my confusion... --MelinaNoctua 20:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
This article seems like it needs some cleanup. Especially in the list of evil albinos section. The article says that the traits of an evil albino are "pale skin, platinum blonde hair, blue or red eyes." I think that the person in question needs to at least have pale skin to qualify for the list. When you think of "stereotypical traits of albinism", pale skin is the most prominent. I believe the following names could be cut:
Roy Batty - He doesn't have pale skin. Just because he has bleached hair does not mean he is immediately an evil albino.
Dracula - This one is hard to call. But I think it is clear that his pale skin is used not to distinguish the villain from the hero, but to establish that he is a vampire. The red eyes could also be interpreted this way. The white hair could just be an artistic choice; vampires usually have black hair, so giving him the opposite makes him seem more interesting.
Solomon Grundy - His hair and skin are white, but I think it is more likely that his creator was going for a zombie/vampire look, which makes sense if you look up the backstory for Solomon Grundy.
Kefka - I've never played any video games which include Kefka, but based on what little I know, it looks like he just wears face paint. If he is any stereotype, it is the "Evil Clown/Jester."
Sephiroth - He doesn't have pale skin. Just because he has silver/white hair and red eyes does not mean he is immediately an evil albino.
Ramirez - See Sephiroth
Stamper - See Roy Batty
Dark Bakura - See Sephiroth
Jacobim Mugatu - The only stereotypical albinism trait he has is his white hair. I can recall no mention in the movie of him having albinism. It is probably supposed to be implied that he dyed his hair that colour because he thinks it is fashionable.
Any mention of Rei - Although some artwork depicts her with paler skin, throughout the entire series she has normal skin tone. Her hair is blue. The only albino trait she has are her red eyes. I don't think this can be interpreted as a reference to albinism; in anime, the creators can make the hair/eye colour of a character whatever they feel like.
Another thing that seems like it deserves cutting is the absurd example contained in the beginning of the article. Despite what the article says, the reason that Keel Lorenz is not considered an "evil albino" is because nothing about his character suggests that he is one. He is visually impaired because it is suggested that he is very old. He is white-haired for the same reason. So really the only thing that fits with the evil albino stereotype is his villainy. It definitely has nothing to do with the supposed albinism of Rei Ayanami or Kaworu Nagisa.
However, I don't see why Kaoru wasn't added to the list, as he is paler than the other characters of the series, has red eyes, and has fairly light gray hair.
I think all of these could be deleted, unless someone has a good argument in favour of one of them.Smooth Nick 01:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Original Research
I added the original research tag because, let's face it, there's a lot of it in this article. Beyond that, there doesn't seem to be a clearly defined definition of what an "evil albino" is, nor does this article attempt to differentiate between albino villains and villains that simply happen to have white skin (which albino humans don't have -- it's pale, not white) and other physical features that all humans can have (white or no hair, light blue or gray eyes, etc.) In short, this article seems more out to make a point than proving it.
For example, I found the entire "Evil albinos as separate race" section to be hilariously wrong. Having white skin in a fantasy/scifi movie doesn't make a person albino. 66.229.160.94 00:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] zatochi updated
I have updated the film zatoichi in the hero albinos section. I write a poor english, please correct me if I have done some grammatic mistake.
Bobbore
[edit] correction needed
Some names presents in the albino heroes are wrong. In the films "me, myself and Irene", "distubing behaviour" and others, albinos are presented not as evil, but there are described as stupid, crazy and they are continuosly bullied by other characters. They aren't evil, but you can find in those films a lot of prejudices about albinos, so those films don't deserves a so positive citacions.
About Rei Ayanami, I think that she can be considered an albino because she haven't only white hair and pale skin, but also red eyes, a tipical color of albino's eyes in movies.
Bobbore
[edit] Suffer from?
I just did an edit on the first paragraph, which started as a single phrase, then a sentence, then the whole paragraph...you know how wp is. Anyways, the catalyst was a phrase like "the evil albino villains don't actually suffer from albinism", used to say that the characters are not affected by the actual condition of albinism. After a little thinking and researching to double-check, I'd say that albinism isn't a condition to be 'suffered from'. There could be an argument in that it seems that somewhere between many and most affected persons have impaired vision, which you could then argue is something to suffer from...but it seems to take a couple leaps of logic to get there...and as far as being respectful to people who are different (as similar language precedents exist for referring to people with disabilities, etc), it really just seems like the wrong way to go. I know it was probably just dropped in while someone was putting things together, so it's just a heads up, especially if you see things like that in other articles. : ) --24.23.84.46 05:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Too much heroes
In the article there are too much heroes! There are nearly the same number of evil: this fact contraddict the meaning of the article. An albino who is not a villain isn't conseguently an hero! For example, "Casper" from Me, Myself and Irene is not an hero, and Keel Lorentz from evangelion isn't an albino, he's only an old man with white hairs and sunglasses.
[edit] Evil British
How come there is no article about evil British people in movies?
[edit] RE-merge proposal
Quite some time ago the "hero albino" list was merged into the Albinism article, since it actually directly contradicts the point of the present Evil albino article. But, it's back here for some reason. I propose re-merging the content of this section into the "Albinism" article so that the "Evil albino" article makes sense again and we get rid of the redundant list. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
