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[edit] welcome

Welcome!

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[edit] hi

I commend you for asking about whether your artice would be appropriate. A lot of new editors aren't that thoughtful. Herostratus 06:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC) PS also if you type four tildes (like this: ~~~~ at the end of your post it signs your name and the date. Herostratus 06:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RahXephon

Spoiler warning: Story and ending details from RahXephon may appear in below discussion

Hi. I see that you added a link to your personal website on RahXephon. I've reworked the link to a note/reference, but I'm not sure whether or not it is appropriate. Please read these policies/guidelines: WP:SOURCE, WP:Vanity, WP:EL and perhaps WP:WEB. With that said, I look forward to working with you. Happy editing. --GunnarRene 22:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't blame you - linking to my own site does seem vain. I think that my site is very relevant to the issues discussed in Wikipedia's RahXephon article. The article discusses similarities between Eva and Rah, and my site is all about similarities between Eva and Rah. Seems like a perfect match, to me. However, I happen to have the misfortune of being the creator of that site, so it unavoidably looks like self-advertising if I post a link to it, no matter how relevant it is. Considering those circumstances, I understand entirely if you'd rather have the link tucked away as a note/reference. I regret that it couldn't be more out in the open, but, after all, I'm not the one who writes the rules. EvaXephon 22:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. Your site is "on topic", but in order to reduce unimportant content and to keep a neutral point of view, we don't write about ourselves or present our own opinions. You can also help create the rules here.
Your site works well as a so-called "convenience link" for the screenshots (that's why I'm leaving it in), but would not be a reliable source (as defined by Wikipedia) for opinions, analysis or synthesis. (Placing two images next to each other could be interpreted as synthesis too, but, well, I think we can accept that.)--GunnarRene 01:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GDFL letter

Dear EvaXephon (Alex):

I am pleased to see that your website, http://www.evaxephon.com/ uses content from Wikipedia (<http://www.wikipedia.org/>), the free encyclopedia. This is the sort of reuse that those who contribute to Wikipedia, as I do, wish to promote.

However, I’d like to point out that when you use content from Wikipedia you ought to include a link back to the source Wikipedia article as is suggested on Wikipedia’s copyrights page, which is located at <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights>. Additionally, you should also include a GFDL notice. One way of doing this would be to add the text "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License, which means that you can copy and modify it as long as the entire work (including additions) remains under this license", and provide a link to <http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html>. Text such as "This page contains text from Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia" is a good way to acknowledge the general source of the text.

Specifically, your pages http://www.evaxephon.com/gallery1.html, http://www.evaxephon.com/gallery3.html, and perhaps others, use content from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RahXephon>. I was a contributor to this article, and text that I wrote appears on your site. Since it appears without attribution to me, or a link to the Wikipedia history, or the text of the GFDL under which I released my contributions, the existence of this page violates my copyright, as well as those of all other contributors.

Please add the required links and acknowledgments to all parts of your EvaXephon site that use Wikipedia content promptly. Thank you.

Sincerely, GunnarRene 01:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I will add the required acknowledgements right away, although since my site is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment, it may be a few hours until the changes are visible. EvaXephon 01:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I've done as you've requested. I've clearly acknowledged my source and linked to the Wikipedia article on RahXephon for good measure. I hope I've done everything correctly. All of the changes should now be visible on my site. If they're not, you may need to press the refresh button to see them. (If you need help locating the text, it's at the bottom of every page in the gallery.) If there's anything else I need to do, please let me know. EvaXephon 03:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Great! Thanks for responding so promptly. Your gallery pages say "This article is licensed under..." (my emphasis). Perhaps it should say "All text in this article is licensed under...". Just saying, since the images aren't GDFL but fair use. --GunnarRene 22:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other points

  • Some of the points have many images from each show. When one single point has 7 images from each show, those parts almost become manga-like substitutes for watching the show, which is bad if you want to make a Fair Use argument.
  • Images could benefit from having episode numbers and time-stamps on or near them.
  • Lack of organization actually does detract from the point you are trying to make, because the "grasping at straws" points are mixed with more relevant points. Points should be categorized, in my opinion, for example like this
    • Significant standalone points
    • Similar scenes/chains of events
    • Cursory points
  • Out of context images (as mentioned in Frequently Received Criticisms) but also images presented in wrong chronological order where a chronology is implied, tip-toes close to being misleading. Visible episode numbers for the images would partially correct this problem. --GunnarRene 01:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your site link was removed

Hi. For your information: I've completed a major update to RahXephon where links to forum posts and your website was removed and replaced with opinions from reviewers. To see why this was done, see WP:RS and WP:OR. If you disagree with my edits or have other ideas for improving the article, you are free to come on over, because I do not own that article despite having an embarrasingly high number of edits on it. :-) --GunnarRene 14:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your entry on WP:3O

I do not appreciate the insinuations you made against me in the request you made for a Third Opinion on WP:3O. You say that I did not 'curtail [my] harshness', when I apologized for getting annoyed at your lack of willingness to elaborate further on why your site should be added in spite of the arguments against it that I provided. Also, you said that I made several 'disparaging remarks', when the only remark I made was that it seemed likely that you were attempting to put the site up purely for vanity or popularity reasons when your site showed little evidence that you knew what happened in the series involved. When I said that you were playing the victim, I simply meant that you seemed to be insinuating that I was attacking you in some way, in the post you made that included the line, "Despite that not being the case, once people have made up their minds, there is little that can be done to change that, and continuing to defend my site will sadly only be seen as being protective rather than trying to assist a wiki article.", when I was not. I do not appreciate the tone with which you posted the request, and I would like to ask that you remedy it to show the actuality of the situation -- that there is a dispute as to the validity of your website as an external link, and we are the only ones commenting on it -- or remove it now that there has been a third opinion on the subject. Thank you. Nique1287 18:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I would never have written any of those things or spoken in such a tone if I did not sincerely believe everything that I was saying. The request for a third opinion has been removed, since one was recieved. EvaXephon 20:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Site improvement request

Hi. You asked for input on sorting and improving the similarity points. Thank's for doing that. Before we do anything else, I suggest you stamp every screenshot with at least the episode number and perhaps also the time stamp. After that I can offer some input on which points are most significant and which are less significant. --GunnarRene 13:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

There are over 250 images in the gallery. To stamp just one with an episode number and time stramp would require scanning an episode for that scene, bringing the image up in Photoshop, stamping, saving, and re-uploading, all of which would take at least five minutes. Multiply that by 250 and you've got a task I'm not eager to undertake.

I'm still not sure why the episode number and time stamp is relevant, taking away a great deal of motivation. Perhaps you could explain why? EvaXephon 20:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It's so that people know which episode the shots are from, which is particularly relevant when you present screenshots out of order. Instead of stamping each and every image, you could put the episode number next to the shot on the page perhaps. It's not so important that it's actually on the image as that readers easily can see which episode the image is from. --GunnarRene 23:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Putting the episode number next to the shot is a much better idea. However, I still don't understand why there is an issue with presenting screenshots 'out of order' or why people say they are 'out of context'. I don't see why the context itself matters, as long as there is a similarity in content. EvaXephon 23:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Content depends on context. Having the episode numbers next to the screenshots is one of the steps toward making it easier for the reader to evaluate your information.--GunnarRene 00:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I seem uncooperative, but I don't believe that you have given a valid reason why context matters. Let me take an example.

http://evaxephon.com/gallery2.html - "Daring Rescue"

Misato rescues Shinji in the first episode, and in End of Evangelion. Haruka has hair and clothing the same color as Misato's, and rescues Ayato in the first episode in a manner that resembles the way Misato rescued Shinji in End of Evangelion.

Haruka's rescue took elements from both the first episode of Evangelion AND End of Evangelion, so I used screenshots from both points in the series. I don't see why it would be neccesary or even relevant to include that information in timestamps. EvaXephon 04:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You are taking screenshots from opposite ends of a show (Evangelion) and presenting it as if it was a "scene". The least you can do is to include epiosde numbers, so that readers can evaluate your claims. Even if you have spoiler warning, not all of your readers will have watched the enitre shows or for that matter remember everything that happened in them. If you believe your arguments are valid, they wouldn't be hurt by proper citations, would they? --GunnarRene 15:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not intend at all for a collection of screenshots to be presented as a 'scene'. I'm not presenting several screenshots as a scene that happened in a certain order, but a collection of similarities from all over the series.

If anyone mistakenly believes that several screenshots in a row are supposed to be from the same scene, that is their misunderstanding. I never once claimed that all screenshots in a row are from the same scene, and never tried to present the screenshots in that way. Anyone who believes that has misinterpreted my gallery.

I can provide a disclaimer explaining that. But I don't see a valid reason to provide more than that. EvaXephon 01:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

"... the point I'm trying to make isn't that a tank exploded in both shows; it's that several events occurred in the exact same order in both shows. The tank is just one of those events. I'm not trying to point out the tank - I'm pointing out that everything happened in the same order and in the same manner in some episodes."
Who wrote that? You did. Is it really so much work to just put up the episode numbers? Then perhaps you could make a prominent disclaimer (on the gallery page itself) to reflect the fact that you sometimes present images in a different sequence and from different episodes. --GunnarRene 01:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

When events DO happen in the same order, I claim that they do. When a string of events does NOT happen in the same order, I make no such claims. It's not that much work to put up the episode numbers, but I still see no valid reason why. I have no objections toward the disclaimer idea. I will add that disclaimer later, despite the fact that I believe it is completely unneccesary. EvaXephon 01:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

How are things going? Have you submitted your site to the link category site yet? When you get the time, perhaps you can have a look through the article and see if it reads well. --GunnarRene 19:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Things are going alright. I did try submitting my site to the AnimeTurnpike, but I accidently uploaded it to the wrong category. I've been a little preoccupied lately, so I haven't really bothered re-submitting or editing the site, but I'll get around to it when I have more free time. EvaXephon 07:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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