Talk:Evan Bayh

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Contents 1 small confusion issue I don't have the means to correct: 2 Changes 3 Pronounciation 4 Law school 5 Source 6 Neutral Point of View violations 7 Copyvio section removed. 8 Obvious that Bayh has been editing this 9 needs work

[edit] small confusion issue I don't have the means to correct:

" In the 2004 election he received more votes in Indiana than President Bush, a feat unheard of by a Democrat in a state as staunchly Republican as Indiana."

This can't possibly be right. What is this statement actually trying to say? Is it just an error, or what?

The statement is referring to Indiana's vote for the senate race VS Indiana's vote for president. In the 2004 election, President Bush received 1,479,438 votes for President in the popular vote from Indiana voters while Evan Bayh received 1,496,976 votes in his senate bid against Marvin Scott.

The statement is trying to show that *typically* when a Presidential candidate wins the popular vote of a state by a large margin that the opposing party candidates at the state level generally lose or receive wins by much smaller margins.

This was not the case in Indiana in the 2004 Senate race. Evan Bayh, a Democrat, won by a very large margin. I see the confusion. Perhaps it should read, "He receieved more votes in Indiana for his senate election than George Bush receieved for President". Something along those lines.Harmon1630

[edit] Changes

Made some minor grammatical changes. Intro paragraph included: "...member of the Democratic Party, and recently has become widely considered a potential Democratic candidate for the 2008 presidential election." Changed confusing sentence to: "...member of the Democratic Party, and has recently become considered a potential Democratic candidate for the 2008 presidential election."--Djramey 14:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronounciation

What is the exact pronounciation of his name? Bey or Baay?--Sina 09:32, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Bye." Ground 11:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is it "Bye" or "BYE-ah"? Many news reporters have pronounced the name as "BYE-ah". --Lst27 (talk) 21:27, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm almost completely positive that his name's pronounced as "Bye," just as Ground said. I go to college in Indiana, and that's how everyone pronounces his name on campus. - RPH

OK. Thanks. --Lst27 (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Law school

Evan Bayh's official congressional biography [1] lists his J.D. from Hoosier College. However the article indicates that he received a law degree from the University of Virginia in 1981. I will leave the text of the article as is for the moment, but intend to research this further. Potatoe 22:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I just finished extensive research on Evan Bayh, and he absolutely received his law degree from Virginia (He even delivered an address there recently). To add upon that, there is no such place as Hoosier College. I won't revert your edit though, as we'd all be better off if you continue your more thorough research to double check me. Craig R. Nielsen 23:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

From Bayh's website [2]: "Bayh was born in Shirkieville, Indiana. He graduated with honors in business economics from Indiana University in 1978, and received his law degree from the University of Virginia in 1981." I'll go ahead and switch it, though I'm still very curious about the Hoosier College ref. Potatoe 03:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The Hoosier College reference may have been due to some confusion with the fact that the Indiana University athletic teams are known as Indiana Hoosiers and that Indiana is the Hoosier State. --Fenra 01:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source

In "Candidacy for National Office," is there a source for the last sentence? "Some viewed Bayh's shift as being an attempt to woo liberal Democrats who make up a large part of the presidential primary electorate." While this is inevitably true, I could just as easily write, "Some viewed Bayh's shift as an inevitable consequence of watching a failed administration grapple with a failed war." Point being, I think a source is needed.

[edit] Neutral Point of View violations

Many recent edits to this article are now affecting its objectivity. In particular, information that might be construed as negative has been repeatedly removed.

Example:

Bayh has voted against confirming United States Attorney General John Ashcroft, Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. He has also become increasingly critical of Bush's handling of the war in Iraq, for which he voted.

Since recent news appears to indicate that Senator Bayh is actively contemplating a run for the Presidency, the removal of these relevant passages calls into question whether the article contains a Neutral Point of View. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpetersen46321 (talk • contribs) 21:16, June 25, 2006 (UTC)

I agree that information is worthy of being included, I was simply reverting because the mass reversion had written over some worthwhile edits that had happened in the middle (including pointing to the correct picture, etc.). Craig R. Nielsen 04:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I see absolutely nothing biased about it. His voting record is what it is. And as somebody looking for information on his policy stances, I think it is very much relevant to this article. --Anarchy45 16:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

--One is not arguing that Senator Evan Bayh's voting record is irrelavant. However, it is extremely brief, and for the sake of this article, it should include the REASONS that he voted in the way that he did. Simply to conspicuously and capriciously list the individuals that he has voted against confirming and to say that he's critical of a war in Iraq "for which he voted" is subliminally PARTIAL. If one wants to find information about Evan Bayh on Wikipedia, then I think it is incumbent upon those writing (these particular passages) to be more OBJECTIVE AND DETAILED.

--To the above editor, I invite you to provide this information if it can be done with a Neutral Point of View. Since these particular votes involve recent issues involving significant public discourse and controvery, their inclusion provides the reader with factual information of interest. Further, I suggest that to explain "WHY?" Senator Bayh votes as he does may go beyond the scope of Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View objectives into the realm of partisanship. Once again, factual information regarding the Senator's voting record is valid and should be included whether you (the reader) happen to approve or disapprove of the results. Finally, please include caption and user information with further posts.Jpetersen46321

--In essence, you are doing noone a service by including the above... it explains Bayh's voting record, while failing to explain his reasons for voting in the manner that he did, which IS extremely important because it allows us to understand the CANDIDATE. This has nothing to do with "bias partisanship." Simply explaining why he voted in the way that he did allows the readers to understand how the candidate thinks and what he believes. Point being, I will no longer delete this excerpt (even though I have not been the only one to do so), but it's still written unprofessionally, and VAGUELY, (that is of course until it's fixed..)..Maverick20

--Please provide any gramatical and linguistic corrections that improve clarity. Further, since I do not know why Bayh voted as he did, if you can provide that information consonant with Wikipedia NPOV requirements, please do. Jpetersen46321

I would have to agree that the voting record is not biased just because it doesn't have the reasons behind each vote. However, it is potentially biased by which confirmation votes you select to include. If it does not include all confirmation votes, then they should be selected by relevancy (e.g. select the votes about people that are more prominent, or about people whose confirmation was more debated). Optimally we'd show all confirmation votes, and perhaps highlight the ones that outside sources deem relevant. I don't think it is inherently biased to include his said reasons for voting against these confirmations, however, this page is sorely lacking criticism of Bayh. It is likely that some people don't like him, and we should balance the page by including known criticism of his viewpoints and political career. Cesoid 03:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio section removed.

I removed the "energy" section from focus issues - it was copied from this page. It does appear to be a "focus issue" for him though, so if someone with more knowledge of the subject could rewrite it in their own words, that would be excellent. -Elmer Clark 22:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Obvious that Bayh has been editing this

ok, i think it's pretty clear that evan bayh has been editing this, it might as well be a progadanda page for his presidential run

That seems like a questionable shot. Show examples please.Djramey 12:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the Senator himself would or has the time to edit his Wiki page.

-I have edited some of the material, which is clearly not neutral (see the history). And no, he's most likely not doing it himself, but he surely has (ahem) *helpers* who would be concerned about his bio on Wikipedia. As an example, let's see how long the abortion material stays as the first topic of the issues. 1diot 16:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] needs work

This article needs to be formatted correctly and cite its sources using the <ref> tags, and such. If there is a position, cite it. If there is a quote, cite it. If there is a reference, have some text to provide context, or remove it to the external links section. I'll try and help, but more experienced editors should help. Thanks. --198.185.18.207 20:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)