Talk:European Theatre of World War II

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Notice: This is a daughter article of World War II - It was taken from the mother page made to alleviate the size of the older article. WhisperToMe 07:21, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Will whoever is inserting the word 'Nazi' before every occurrence of the word "Germany" please stop doing it. I understand your desire to distance current day Germany from the atrocities of WWII, but it is very unnecessary. We explain the situation at the top of the article. DJ Clayworth 16:59, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Dresden casualties 2 Moved 3 Moved from article 4 This article 5 Unbalanced article 6 How many? 7 Soviet role in the defeat of Japan 8 Useful image?

[edit] Dresden casualties

I think it would be fair to mention that the figure of 25,000–35,000 people being killed in the firestorm belongs to the lower end of possible estimates. There were actually a lot of refugees pouring in to the city from the east to avoid the Red Army. Even though the Dresden bombings is constantly under debate, because of the use in politics (both during the war and afterwards) we must acknowledge the fact that the historians simply do not know how many that were killed in the raid. And as I said 25.000-35.000 is the absolute lowest estimate made. Another figure that is mentioned is 50.000-70.000.

[edit] Moved

Why was this moved? Andy Mabbett 20:12, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Theater is used in all the other spellings so it makes since to leave it where it is. Check for yourself. It's uniform. Even in the asian theaters. The template uses it. The category uses it. Go look if you don't believe me.

Not only is it not used uniformly; we don't standardize on U.S. spellings. The category uses it, because you just created it that way, at 21:23, on 4 Jul 2004 . Andy Mabbett 07:33, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Like I said, check for yourself.

I did. Before you started moving pages, the category listed one "theater" and two "theatres". Andy Mabbett 15:17, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Doesn't the category use the theaters spelling? Besides logic demands that theater be used since you do not pronounce the word the-a-tray.

I'm going to make a wild guess here and say you might be American? Theatre and Theater are both legitimate spellings, and both used throughout Wikipedia. In Europe (i.e. the location of the European Theatre of World War II) Theatre is the dominant spelling.

(P.S. you can sign your posts on talk pages by putting four tilde characters at the end of what you write - like this ~~~~ DJ Clayworth 16:18, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Bad example, i believe the word is used once in the entire article.--naryathegreat 16:32, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

All the more reason not to mess with the title. DJ Clayworth 16:34, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I felt that, with the other changes, it was best to make it as uniform as possible.

Also, the Preceding events of the euopean theatre of world war ii article move was especially important because that title is in no version of english correct --naryathegreat 16:35, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Which article is that? European Theatre of World War II was fine - was there another article whose title you were worried about?

DJ Clayworth 16:49, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

See Events Preceding World War II in Europe and i'm not the only one who thinks that Preceding Events of the European Theatre of World War II was a dumb title. Also, European theatre of World War II was not fine, it was spelled incorrectly :) --naryathegreat 17:32, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from article

Nazi policy in occupied countires
 General Government
 Ostland

Is this a todo list? — Matt 00:47, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] This article

"This article discusses the European Theatre of World War II."

Ummm, I think we can assume everyone can read the title...?--naryathegreat 01:51, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

It's in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style that the first sentence in an article should contain the title of the article. Perhaps a re-wording would be more appropriate. There shouldn't be links in the bolded title though. Mintguy (T) 01:56, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Then maybe an introduction?--naryathegreat 02:24, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Notice: This is a daughter article of World War II - It was taken from the mother page made to alleviate the size of the older article. WhisperToMe 07:21, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Will whoever is inserting the word 'Nazi' before every occurrence of the word 'Germany' please stop doing it. I understand your desire to distance current day Germany from the atrocities of WWII, but it is unnecessary. We explain the situation at the top of the article. DJ Clayworth 16:59, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Unbalanced article

From the sections, Preceding Events through The War comes to the West, there is a remarkable dirth of information compared with the next half of the article, shouldn't something be done?--naryathegreat 01:53, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

This article is in poor shape, there are too many short stubby paragraphs, and the writing is fragmented (I suspect many edits, especially by people unfamiliar with English has caused this), and above all, the flow is not so great. I've changed some stuff, but I would seriously suggest a rewrite, maybe in a temp somwhere until it could be moved here?--naryathegreat 02:24, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Update: I am still of the same opinion as above, though I have taken quite an extended Wikiholiday. Anywhoo, I am about to begin a possible rewrite of the article at a temp. My reasons are:

A) The writing is disjointed and overall, poor, just read the first paragraph. B) The structure is a little awkward, and loses momentum and continuity in several places C) Some important information, especially analysis, so important to a subpage like this, is nonexistant.

I'd love help, and I think i'll keep much of the basic structure. Since there has been no comment or objection since my original proposal on Aug. 21, I plan to begin some time in the next few days at User:Naryathegreat/European Theater of World War II.--naryathegreat 20:50, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] How many?

Many French soldiers, as well as those of other occupied countries, escaped to Britain. Any detailed numbers for 1940 and later? Many is 10,000 or 500,000? From Free French Forces I gather that it was approximately 10,000 (by the end of July that year, only 7,000 people had volunteered to join the Free French forces. The Free French Navy had fifty ships and some 3,600 men operating as an auxiliary force). And how about Vichy numbers? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:30, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet role in the defeat of Japan

I'd say it is misleading to say that the USSR "contributed very little to the defeat of Japan". While the period in which the USSR was at war with Japan was brief, it included one of Japan's largest and most crushing defeats as the Red Army comprehensively demolished the Japanese forces in Manchuria and took the Kurile Islands.

In the HarperCollins Atlas of the Second World War it states that the USSR used 1.5 million men, 28 000 guns, 5 500 tanks and 4 370 aircraft against Japanese forces numbering one million men, 5 360 guns, 1 115 tanks and 1 800 aircraft. The Red Army advanced 560 miles in 11 days. It goes on to say "Soviet commentators regard the destruction of Japan's last and largest concentration of ground forces as a cardinal factor in Japan's surrender. Western analysts maintain a particular interest in the campaign as a prototype for future strategic operations."

[edit] Useful image?

I think the PD image located here could be of use in this article, but it merges our definition of the European Theatre (action on Europe itself) with the North African Campaign. Oberiko 15:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)