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© European Communities, 1995-2006 Reproduction is authorised, provided the source is acknowledged, save where otherwise stated. Where prior permission must be obtained for the reproduction or use of textual and multimedia information (sound, images, software, etc.), such permission shall cancel the above-mentioned general permission and shall clearly indicate any restrictions on use.

Complete disclaimer on copyright, there is no mentioning about modification. Mion 01:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Right, you got it. Everything that is not mentioned is disallowed by copright. The Copyright is like a big concrete wall. The author can dig holes into this wall, called 'permission' or 'license'. --Rtc 01:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this the next option :?

  • Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License".

In combination with:

  • This file is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0 License (Some rights reserved) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mion (talk • contribs) --Rtc 01:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC).
I don't Understand what you mean. Please be more specific. --Rtc 01:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] tekstlink, it is not more complete

[edit] +questions about this template

[edit] European Union

Hello Thuresson User talk:Thuresson I had a discussion about images from the european union Template:EU image and on commons !!! [[3]] and need some advice about the EN wikipedia policy: 1.: http://www.europarl.eu.int/guide/publisher/default_en.htm is an old disclaimer from 2000 and not updated.

  • /www.europarl.eu.int/ [[4]] publisher . use granted,, with mention of the source.© Europese Gemeenschappen, 2000 (older version).
  • /www.europarl.eu.int/ [[5]] the parlement . use granted,, with mention of the source. © European Communities, 1995-2005
  • /europa.eu.int/ [[6]] the portal . use granted,, with mention of the source.

Conclusion: 2005 version is the latest version, separate permission has to be stated on the page where the image is used which is not the case.

so. in the dutch version it is stated like this :nl:Sjabloon:EU-site -

Well it seems that by german law using the pictures is not granted, which is ok for the DE Wikipedia. Discussion about this can be found on [[7]].

Next to the implication of law in different countrys there is also a problem in translated pages. The EN and DE version are not the same.

Copyright notice

© European Communities, 1995-2005 Reproduction is authorised, provided the source is acknowledged, save where otherwise stated. Where prior permission must be obtained for the reproduction or use of textual and multimedia information (sound, images, software, etc.), such permission shall cancel the above-mentioned general permission and shall clearly indicate any restrictions on use.

Copyright-Vermerk

© Europäische Gemeinschaften, 1995-2005 Die Wiedergabe mit Quellenangabe ist vorbehaltlich anderslautender Bestimmungen gestattet. Ist für die Wiedergabe bestimmter Text- und Multimedia-Daten (Ton, Bilder, Programme usw.) eine vorherige Genehmigung einzuholen, so hebt diese die obenstehende allgemeine Genehmigung auf; auf etwaige Nutzungseinschränkungen wird deutlich hingewiesen.

Well. the germans have deciced to remove al images from their wikipedia and now the actual question: They are implicating german law on the english wikipedia by making all images of european parlement members illegal for use.

So, is use of these images granted on the EN wikipedia or not ? Best regards . Mion 13:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

To tackle the first part: Malfunction of the copyright section.

Dear sir/misses. On your website there is still a page (http://www.europarl.eu.int/guide/publisher/default_en.htm) which is not updated since 2000 and is in conflict with the updated versions : http://www.europarl.eu.int/tools/disclaimer/default_en.htm (1995-up) and http://europa.eu.int/geninfo/legal_notices_en.htm#copyright (1995-up) Could you please update or remove the mentioned page ? Thanks in advance.

Sent today to the webmaster of the EU site. Mion 14:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

the second problem, commons !!! [[8]] is granted by nation (depenedable on law) same as we see the creation of Common licenses by country, maybe the creation of 30 Eu templates by nation is requered. Mion 14:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The 3th problem stated by RTC was, dat the 2 latest copyright sections, did not mention anything about reproduction. According to RTC/German Law, you have to read this as . that part that is not granted/mentioned is forbidden. In dutch law it is everything that is not forbidden is granted, -- Reg .Mion 14:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Example : [9] on the page of this picture of Camiel EURLINGS the page has a link to Legal notice on the left side which links to the modified version [10], dropping any relevancy with the old one [11]

Maybe this should move to: [[12]] because commons is also involved. ?

Please get it, these pictures cannot be used under a free license, no matter how you twist it. "In dutch law it is everything that is not forbidden is granted" That seems like nonsense to me. It should be the opposite way in any country, including holland. Conceptually, law on exclusive rights on works is basically the same in all countries nowadays, with two major flavors (droit de l'auteur and copyright, but both are more or less basically the same in effect). --Rtc 17:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Please discuss this template on [13] Mion 16:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need for fair use?

Why does the template require a fair use claim? How is it non-free? I realise it can't be modified, but uploading it to Wikipedia isn't modifying it, and the tag acknowledges the source. Under the licence that they give that means that the tag alone should suffice as allowing us to use it. If it doens't can someone explain why? I mean, if we're not modifying it then showing the source gives us permission to use it. Even if we did modify it, fair use doesn't cover that anyway. So please explain to me, what does a claim of fair use allow us to do that we're not already permitted to. - Рэдхот 14:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I don't understand how we are modifying it by putting it on Wikipedia? As I read this copyright statement, we can "reproduce" the image on Wikipedia, as long as we acknowledge the source. TomPhil 17:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Because it is not a free-use photo. If it cannot be modified and/or used for noncommercial/noneducational purposes, then that is a problem since we are trying to create a "free" encyclopedia. --tomf688 (talk - email) 03:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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