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[edit] Opštine

Video sam novi template za opštine Stbije koji si uradio. Samo da ti kažem da imaš gradske opštine i u Kragujevcu, pa bi za Kragujevac trebalo napraviti isto kao za Beograd i Niš. PANONIAN (talk) 01:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, video sam da si opštine Kragujevca stavio u glavnu listu, ali bi ipak i Kragujevac trebalo izdvojiti posebno ako si već izdvojio Beograd i Niš. PANONIAN (talk) 01:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Na Kosovu imaš i novu opštinu - Mališevo, pa je treba dodati u spisak. PANONIAN (talk) 01:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Towns of Serbia

I see you're doing standardization of format of Serbian municipalities articles—something I planned to do but never found enough time. Since you appear to be in the good mood for working on it, I'd like to point you to several more or less important issues you might not be aware of:

  1. There was/is a discussion at Template talk:Infobox Serbia whether the format of {{Serbian cities 3}} should be replaced. I think yes, Panonian thinks no, and your opinion would be welcome. Various in-between solutions are possible.
  2. There is full list of municipal locations I uploaded at commons:Category:Maps of Serbian municipalities. Maybe they're less than perfect, but they're consistent and AFAICT the most complete list. They can be automatically appended to the infobox, be it {{Serbian cities 3}} or {{Infobox Serbia}} (see the code of the latter).
  3. Check out WP:MSH#Spaces. I don't prefer one way or another, but IMO you're wasting your time on adding superficial spaces around headings. Whatever you prefer...
  4. Please add any edit sumary, at least merely as checking as "minor" edit. I wasted some time myself checking your changes :-).

Regards, Duja 10:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Your template certainly looks better than mine (Serbian cities 3). We should migrate to it, and at the same time input the available data for each municipality. Currently, a lot of easily available information simply isn't here on Wikipedia (population, plates etc). I mean, the current template is adequate, but the new one is better. The main problem is we don't have any people from various small municipalities who are interested in adding info. Some of these municipalities don't even have a website! --estavisti 10:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Now I see that the actual template is {{Infobox City Serbia3}} and it's used consistently throughout, so it should be edited further. The "make-up" is not a problem though, but:
  • "My" version had name and name_cyr arguments. That allows you to latter write [[Image:Serbia {{{name}}}.jpg]] and the map automatically gets in. That requires change of all articles though.
  • Coordinates could be a problem for typing; I think it's better solved in "my" version, but it still requires a change in all articles. Here's a full list of coordinates.
  • District is also missing. Perhaps not essential (your template now partly solves it), but a valuable piece of info.
So, the options are writing a bot, a tool like AWB, or employing a Crnac or two that would go through all articles...
Ah, yes, please reply here; I hate having to read people's discussions in two pages simultaneously. Duja 11:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you can write and operate such a bot, then go for it. If not, I'll be one of the crnci who does it over a week or two. We can also update {{Belgrade municipalities}}, {{RS cities}}, and {{Bosnia and Herzegovina municipalities}}, all of which various people have based on {{Serbian cities 3}}. --estavisti 11:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll try with AWB next week, didn't use it before. You can register for it too if you wish—you seem to do a lot of crnački jobs. Duja 13:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Što se tiče novog šablona, postoje neke stvari sa kojima se ne slažem:

  • 1. Ne slažem se da izbacimo link do članka "town coat of arms" (bar kod onih opština gde članak o grbu postoji, na primer kod Novog Sada. Međutim, ne znači da u budućnosti neće postojati članci i o drugim opštinskim grbovima - Vikipedija se širi svaki dan).
  • 2. Ne slažem se da izbacimo rubriku "population densitu" (taj podatak se inače može statistički izračunati na osnovu površine i broja stanovnika iako ja ne znam formulu po kojoj se to računa).
  • 3. Ne slažem se da izbacimo rubriku "subdivisions", jer je podatak koliko naseljenih mesta ima u opštini koristan.

Dakle, moj konkretan zaključak: slažem se da tabela bude manje širine i da dodamo neke korisne podatke kao što su ime okruga kojem opština pripada, ali se ne slažem sa izbacivanjem onoga što sam pomenuo. Inače, napisao sam članke o svim mestima sa statusom gradskog naselja u Srbiji i u njih sam stavio malo drugačije tabele, čisto da bi se razlikovale od tabela koje koristimo za opštine (na primer u članku Borča). Primetio sam da u člancima o mestima u Mađarskoj tabele postoje i u člancima o selima (na primer u članku Lórév), pa bismo možda i mi to mogli da uradimo u nekoj budućnosti. Generalno gledano, mislim da bismo trebali da imamo nekoliko različitih tipova tabeli:

  • 1. Tabele za gradove u Srbiji (odnosno samo za Beograd, Novi Sad, Kragujevac i Niš)
  • 2. Tabele za opštine Srbije.
  • 3. Tabele za gradske opštine Beograda, Novog Sada, Niša i Kragujevca, koje bi trebalo da se malo razlikuju od tabela za druge opštine (makar samo da budu druge boje).
  • 4. Tabele za mesta sa statusom gradskog naselja.
  • 5. Tabele za sela (iako bi ovo zadnje možda bilo i preterano). PANONIAN (talk) 14:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serbization

Macedonia isn't totally different. In what way do you feel that it is not quite like your family regions? Celtmist 13 Oct 2006

Now I see what you mean. Vardar Macedonia does have a seperate identity, the only one of its kind, only if you remember, I was only referring to the period between the wars when even Vardar Macedonia's people were classed as Serbs. It was just a temporal period...hence the heritage! Best wishes. Celtmist 23:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Kotor

Thanks for fixing my egregious error, however the tard comment might have been a bit harsh Cpuwhiz11 17:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rod Blagojevich's Religious Affiliation

In response response to your addition of a "fact" template to the Rod Blagojevich article, I have verified that his religious affiliation is Eastern Orthodox, and not Serbian Orthodox. --TommyBoy 07:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: infoboxes

E izvini, nisam stigao da ti odgovorim ranije, dakle ukratko: ne bih baš plakao da izbacimo rubriku "population densitu" iz šablona, ali bi rubriku "subdivisions" trebalo ostaviti. Mislim da šablon neće biti predugačak zbog jedne rubrike više. Inače nisam ni mislio da mi napišemo članke o selima o kojima ne postoje članci, već da ubacimo šablone u članke koji već postoje. Ali slažem se sa tobom, to je ipak posao za neku dalju budućnost. :) PANONIAN (talk) 01:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Yugoslav New Wave

друже или другарице, не разумем баш о чему ТАЧНО причаш? радио сам на том чланку онолико колико сам могао јели као почетник, провери историју чланка на крају краева да не буде као хвалим сам себе или сличне глупости. вероватно твоја реакција произлази из оног што сам написао у дискусији? па ја наиван мислио сам да је ред да објасним унапред моје намере у талк пејџу пре него што додам или одузмем нешто из чланка да се не би неко од љутио. Нико се није бунио, па додао сам што сам могао и знао, а пре тога чланак је био катастрофа (јес да ни сад није идеалан), провери историју и сам(а). Онда, првобитни наслов је био „нови вал“ (као да је нешто стриктно словеначко или хрватско) и био је погрешно увршћен као некакав „паралелни“ или „сличан“ покрет new wave-у, а уствари није ништа друго него БАШ Југославенски new wave, па о њему је чак писао и Мелоди мејкер (види филм „Сретно дјете“). И то сам средио, да би било јасно да смо имали њу вејв сцену као што су имали и у Британији или у Америци. Е сад око стандарда које намеће википедија, сад нажалост немамо пуно извора и линкова на располагању, јес да постоје књиге Петара Јанатовића о екс-ју рокенрол сцени, часописи Џубокс једно-друго-треће, плоче итд. али ја немам баш СВЕ при руци, само понешто што сам и употребио. па немогу све сам! дајте и ви други понешто, па нисам експерт за све. ето укуцао сам колко-толко, линковао сам шта се могло, објаснио сам неке појединости, додао неке филмове који могу бити интересантни и тако. а они бендови који везе немају са њу вејвом као Индекси и сл. су били накднадно убачени ја око тога немам везе. Чак што више ја би чак избрисао и Кичму и Екатарину из списка (не из текста), они су се јавили касније као неки деривати. И друго, не схватај погрешно али гледајући како се википедија често злоупотребљава у политичке и сличне сврхе, некако сам и изгубио жељу да се нешто специјално ангажујем. али ок то је сасвим друга тема. --Vbb-sk-mk 23:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

хвала за линк!--Vbb-sk-mk 01:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] I'm sorry

I overreacted.

But I wish you'd edited the article yourself instead of slapping the POV tag on it. --VKokielov 17:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, to speak for me, I would be the last to complain if you fixed the article. Remember: you would be removing material, not adding. --VKokielov 22:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cross image

Just wondering why you re-added? Maybe I'm missing something, because I don't understand? :) I posted on the talk page my rationale. // Laughing Man 18:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Not that big of a deal either way, I'll leave it be as if no one else objects. If anything maybe it will motivate someone else to replace it with a better image. I'll try to see if I can find something else as well. // Laughing Man 20:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popis Srbije iz 1900

E taj popis nemam koliko znam. Imam doduše istoriju Srba od Ćorovića u 6 tomova, pa možda tu i ima nekih podataka, ali nemam sad vremena da to detaljno pregledam da proverim. Pokušaj negde na netu (možda na Rastkovom sajtu). PANONIAN (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Terazije 1928.jpg

Hi, why did you upload an image that already exists on commons? --Dijxtra 07:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. My bad. --Dijxtra 11:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2 Things. Lepa Sela Lepo Gore and my home town Kotor Varos

1) Stop changing things which i change, firstly, milan DOES die in the movie, Srdjan Dragojevic even admitted it in an interview done after the movie, i guess milan was taking a bloody nap on the hospital floor with his eyes open..right. And yes, i watched the movie, i wrote the ENTIRE plot portion of the fucking entry.

2) My home town of Kotor Varos seems to constantly have it's deomgraphics changed by you. Why is this? Muslim by nationality is the same as Bosniak in Bosnia, i dont understand why you cant just leave it, and what is this "See Serbs of Bosnia" beside the Serbs demographic, even though i CLEARLY incorporated that into the link for Serbs. I even directed the link to the Bosnian Serbs page.


-Answer. That isnt the "present" in lepa sela lepo gore. It is the past. His friend halil is there and the literal quote is:

Halil - "Danas smo se fino zarakijali, a?....Nego reci ti meni, Oceli biti onog rata, a?" Milan - "Kakvog rata?..bolan"

Those are the LAST 2 things said in the entire movie...mind you, halil has been blown off the top of the tunnel, Milan is in a pool of his own blood on the hospital floor with his EYES open, Brzi is dead, and milan looks like he hurt the professor pretty bad, so that is why i think that only the professor (if that) survived anything.

I realize that when he's lying on the floor he says "drekavac, jebo mu ja mater" i understand that, but after that he dies.

As for the interview, no, i dont have the transcript from the video interview he did for the movie.


Dobar dan Estavisti!

I dont want to fight with you although I really dont like you. But can you please look at what I am writing and tell me... tell me honestly...

Who started the war 1992-1995?

Because, there was a war like you know, and there must be someone who started it? Get it? And look now...

Was it we, the bosniaks, who started the war? Did we attack east bosnia by ourself and killed our people? Did we attack Sarajevo and bombard it for 3 year to make the serbs look guilty?

Answer me honestly now... who started the war? This is your opinnion I want to hear. According to me and the whole world, it was Serbia who was the aggressors but I want to hear your opinion and voice to.

Peace! Thunderman 20:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina

I formally invite you to join WikiProject: Bosnia and Herzegovina. I ask of you to reconsider your decisions one last time. I understand mistakes were made, but at least read my response on the project page (Čaršija). Thank you for your cooperation with me for all this time, Vseferović 01:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tito

Tito and popular culture sure needs to be added.

Tito was once very popular all over former Yugoslavia and the world. Under his rule Yugoslvia had no debt like Croatia, Serbia etc..have today. People had jobs, People lived well. All people living there had rights. Tito had an iron fist of rule but a fair one.

Tito was a war hero and was well respected by the world. His funeral had more people attend than that of Tudjman and Milosevic combined.

Some Serbs and Croats say he was unfair to them...he never took away any nationhood from them .Serbs and Croats were republics in Yugoslavia, both had a flag with same tri colour of today and prior to Yugoslavia, churches were still built etc....

Tito died 10+ years before the war in the Balkans..that would tell you the people were to blame not him...the people had time to make things work...the people failed...we only have ourselves to blame.

Sure Tito like all humanbeings had his good/bad points...but i would say for the most part he was good for the people.

His biggest mistake was Kosovo. But how was he to know that would happen// His other mistake was giving everyone a republic under Yugoslavia and borders.. The borders and names caused the split over time. Jagoda 1 02:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hej

Drago mi je da si prihvatio izvinjenje. Shvatam i razumijem ali to što je Korisnik:hahahaibo rekao je njegovo mišljenje i nije mišljenje projekta. Ako misliš na MSN (emesen) imam (Vseferovic@hotmail.com). Ovo je „van pameti“ sta de dogodilo. Pozdrav, Vseferović 05:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Please do be more civil, and avoid statements like this one. Thank you. -- int19h 05:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!!!

You dislike the American English just because America dislikes frantic people like you. Y’all drive me crazy.--Albanian since Stone Age 23:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Belgrade

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[edit] Nikola Boskovic

Hi,

I understand your frustration with Ruđer Bošković's father being listed as Croat, but that's the fact. I know, it doesn't agree with popular opinion in Serbia, but unfortunatelly, this is definitely not an only case of such a popular belief in Serbia :).

I really don't understand why are you restarting this subject when this has been solved already, after a lot of discussion.

There is apsolutely no proof that Ruđer's father was a Serb. If you find proof, I'll be happy to se it listed under Roger Joseph Boscovich#Nationality section. You can be sure that I will not delete sourced information, if it comes from reliable source. Also, if you keep changing his father's nationality without any proof, you can also be sure that I will revert it.

I hope you understand that I'm just trying to play by the rules. --Ante Perkovic 05:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Ante. The subject has been debated for too long and needs to stop now.

Let's be fair Serbian origin in the article should be deleted...or made into a smaller sub note only. However, I have no problem with it aslong as it's mentioned last after Croatian and Italian. Not first. (Let's go alphabetical order ok haha and not Serb Pov)

I think if you look at Tesla article now ...Tesla being born in Croatia doesn't even get a mention and that is no lie. On the other hand Boscovich is said to Serb in the main article and no proof exsits in western media apart from Serb Pov.

I think the Croat users are being fair in this edit war.

PS. How many Serbs are called Josip? Never heard of Serb called Josip to tell you the truth.


God speed Jagoda 1 05:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What

do you mean with this de-uglified? User:Vlatkoto

[edit] Watch list

"Случајно сам видио код Дује да имаш 1,231 страница на вочу. Ја тренутно имам 3,128. Wanna swap?"

))) E pa skidam ti kapu. Šalim se. Polako, možda ću i ja jednom imati toliko, nikad se ne zna. :) PANONIAN (talk) 23:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manastiri

"Where did you find the information about monasterise in Republika Srpska?"

Bio sajam turizma u Novom Sadu, pa sam nabavio prospekt sa spiskom svih manastira. :)) E, ajde laku noć, vreme je za spavanje... PANONIAN (talk) 03:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Nekom jutro, nekom veče... :))) PANONIAN (talk) 03:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Da, i meni su te dve stvari iste (nisam video tvoj zadnji komentar - otišao sam da spavam, a sad bih ti mogao reći dobro jutro :))). PANONIAN (talk) 15:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

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[edit] Unsigned messages from User:Bg007

Pa da odgovorim.Vreme i Nin,niko ne cita kao ni Danas,posto je ista struktura citalaca.pogledaj na kraju dana kojih dnevnih novina ostane najvise neprodanih.BTW bktv ne postoji,a 'borba' vise ne izlazi.Lose sam se izrazio,ne mislim na propagandu,vec na objasnjenja.Ja sam taj sistem samo preneo sa opisa drugih gradova(Budimpesta-tamo se nije nasao niko ko brise city landmarks i sl.).Uvek mi nesto pametujemo,a nismo u stanju nesto prosto ni da iskopiramo.To je generalna pojava kod nas Srba,a i kad se pojavi neka inovacija,ona se u korenu saseca,zato smo na dnu Evrope.===bg007 Ok,brate,razumeli smo se,tako je da je nas definitivno bolji od Bpeste.Pozdrav!---Bg007 'these pcitures are awful and you're a homophobe',what is homophobe.In many states and org., such is US army homosexualism is menthal ill.Every exception from normal natural behavior is abnormal.

Zdravo,Estavisti,poslao bih ti neke slike Beograda na pr.SANU,...,na mail ,pa ih ti postavi ako hoces.Pogledaj Zagreb ,pravo je remek delo.Pogledaj samo koliko slika imaju.pozz! Sklanjao sam Zagreb,zato sto im je na sajtu doskora istocno bilo samo Grcka(?).A ni na jednom putokazu u hrvatskoj neces videti da pise Beograd,vec Skoplje,Atina i sl.Pa sam se i ja vodio po toj logici.Pozz.

[edit] User:Thunderman

Hello there Estavisti! I noticed you also added a comment on Duja's talk page about Thunderman. I'm relatively new to Wikiepdia; is he always so annoying? I mean, it saddens me to say this, but I'm sort of ashamed that me and him share the same heritage, as he is so hysterical about things, and adds nonsense to articles, and he fabricates history to better suit his POV. I hope you can help me keep a watch on some of his crazy edits. Thank You! - [rts_freak] | 5p34k 2 /\/\3 16:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's just so frusting with that type of user around Wikipedia. - [rts_freak] | 5p34k 2 /\/\3 16:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beograd

Pa imam dve-tri karte Beograda sa opštinama, ali ne verujem da ti mogu koristiti, jer ne znam njihov pravni status, tako da će biti obrisane ako ih ubacim na Vikipediju. Gde je ona karta opština koja je ranije bila u članku Beograd? Jesu li je obrisali? Inače pogledaj na srpskoj Vikipediji, mislim da i tamo ima neka karta. PANONIAN (talk) 16:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Eh, ne znam, nemam sada baš vremena da sređujem tu mapu. Možda ako stignem ovih dana, ali treba tu malo više posla da bi to ispalo kako treba. Ne obećavam ti ništa, videću šta mogu. PANONIAN (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abdullah Gegić‎

I see that you have made a comment directed at 82.171.176.227 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log) in the edit summary for your revert of Abdullah Gegić ("no he ISN'T, not unless you give a source. he took turkish citizenship, that's all I know. are you saying his parents/ancestors were turks?"). Don't bother commenting: this is Burak18 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log), a notorious vandal and sockpuppeteer. He targets articles relating to Turkish football, such as Galatasaray S.K., Turkey national football team, Abdullah Gegić, Ertuğrul Sağlam and Muhsin Ertugral. For more information on him, see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Burak18. The next time you come across this edit, don't bother commenting, it's not worth the effort. Just revert on sight, and deny him the recognition. And thank you very much for your help in dealing with this vandal :) Aecis Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 22:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Belgrade

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[edit] Sava Tekelija

Drago mi je što si uzeo da prevedeš članak o Savi Tekeliji na engleski. To je jedan od (mojih :) članaka sa srpske Vikipedije na koji sam posebno ponosan. Naveo sam referencu odakle je podatak da je Sava Tekelija prvi doktor pravnih nauka, na srpskoj Vikipediji. Citirani clanak mi je bio polazna literatura za oba clanka: Sava Tekelija i Tekelijanum, na srpskoj Vikipediji. Pozdrav. --Djordjes (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProjects

Why have you been mass-abandoning all the WikiProjects??? --PaxEquilibrium 20:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MSN ?

do you have msn messenger?

[edit] Belgrade

I didn't want to comment on this on the FAC page since the article seems very good, but I still haven't read it, I just skimmed through it, so I can't vote support. But, I have an observation: Economy section looks a bit skinny. I think you should expand it a bit. Apart from that, the article looks excellent. I'll read it thorough when I catch time and vote on FAC, now I have to go... --Dijxtra 08:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, let me first read the article. By the way - do you think that I'm a "napaljeni klinac"? I run the Montenegro WikiProject. --PaxEquilibrium 13:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beograd

Text je super! Gde se glasa za Beograd, pošto ja baš i ne razumem ove wiki procedure :) --Göran Smith 08:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Šmekni Template:Infobox Serbia kad stigneš pa javi jel' još nešto treba popraviti. Duja 13:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beograd

Pa ako oćeš da glasam za članak, onda pomeri mapu opština dalje od te tabele. Na mom brovseru (Opera), tabela i mapa se preklapaju, a članak sa takvom greškom ne može biti "featured" po mom mišljenju. Kad to popraviš videćemo. :)) PANONIAN (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

E jebi ga pa što mi sad šalješ skrinšot gde članak izgleda dobro? Ja ti kažem da kod mene ne izgleda dobro. Ti očigledno imaš noviju verziju Opere (moja je 603 mislim). Evo ti skrinšot sa mog kompa pa vidi koliko to lepo izgleda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beograd055.png Kažem ti da to treba popraviti da bi svim korisnicima lepo izgledalo (ima ih još koji koriste ovu verziju opere). PANONIAN (talk) 21:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Pa znači Estavisti, to je ona logika: "nek kod mene izgleda dobro, a drugima kako bude", je li? :) Pa nije pitanje što ja ne skinem novu verziju (imam svoje razloge, jer stara verzija ima određenih prednosti kad je u pitanju borba sa virusima), već je pitanje šta ćemo sa drugim korisnicima Vikipedije koji koriste tu verziju? Možeš li bar promeniti neke parametre u toj tabeli da joj smanjiš širinu ili šta znam? PANONIAN (talk) 21:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Pa ja se ne razumem u tabele uopšte. Mislim da bi samo trebalo sliku pomeriti na bilo koje drugo mesto, samo da ne stoji pored tabele i izgledaće dobro. PANONIAN (talk) 23:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heh

Ocigledno da imas problema sa nasom istorijom,jer zivis u rasejanju odnosno u dijaspori,znam ja sve vas patriote sa drugog kraja planete,koji volite Srbiju ali ne dovoljno da bi ziveli u njoj.

Zato bih te zamolio da vise ne kvaris clanak o Cetnicima,jer je ocigledno da ne znas o cemu pricas.Draza Mihajlovic je od strane Kralja Petra Drugog imenovan za komandanta Jugoslovenske Vojske u Otadzbini,sto se moze videti iz nebrojeno dokumenata,ako te bas zanima mogu i da ti navedem kojih.Zato bi bi bilo lep na vise ne ruzis clanak o Cetnicima,jer je izuzetno vazno da se na Vikipediji barata iskljucivo cinjenicama.Cetnici(u drugom svetskom ratu)=Jugoslovenska Vojska u Otadzbini.

Nadam se da si shvatio svoju gresku,ne moras da se izvinjavas,ali bi bilo lepo da sam popravis ono sto si u tom clanku pokvario.

XXXXXXX 21:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC) Dzoni

Slučajno sam video razgovor, ali postojali su i četnici Koste Pećanca koji nisu imali veze sa Jugoslovenskom Vojskom u otadžbini. PANONIAN (talk) 21:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thought you might want to know...

User:Thunderman has been blocked. (This is regarding the issues of the BiH Wikiproject). He was a sockpuppet of User:Hahahahibo. Thanks Vseferović 01:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

What's up with User:Rts freak (s)he has some serious issues with what he or she is writing. Tagging images without proof, leaving unnecessary comments. I am just appalled at the actions they are taking. Vseferović 01:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't have serious issues, as Vseferovic is claiming. Most of my edits so far on Bosniak related articles have been revrting nonsense and POV inserted into articles by User:Thunderman. None of my comments were unnecessary. And the image that I tagged was one that had been a recreation of one that was previously listed for deletion (although that tagging by me was incorrect). I think that Vseferović is just upset because I am a Bosniak who is not trying to push a nationalist POV in Wikipedia. - [rts_freak] | 5p34k 2 /\/\3 13:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
You got to listen. If somebody has an issue they usually come to me for a fair and balanced viewpoint, since I have been the one who has been cooperative with others. However, implying that you are one of only few Bosniaks is offensive since you are claiming that all other Bosniaks will not cooperate. I have cooperated with Bosnians, Croatians, and Serbians, never encountering issues. Thanks, (And do not use User:thunderman as your example since he was a sock puppet of User:Hahahihibo...I actually think you might be a sock puppet under disguise) Vseferović 03:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] jezik

"famous for its portrayal" ne bi smio se tako izraziti. Ovo "its" djeluje kao da je Visegrad jedan od glumaca filma.

Pogledaj sad ak ti se bolje svida. --VKokielov 03:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Kako ti objasniti...na engleskom, po mom mislenju, bolje zvuci. Ne znam. Raspitkuj u nekoga drugog. Mogu reci da govorim engleski najbolje, bolje cak i od ruskog. --VKokielov 13:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Da...

Stvarno ne znam...Mozda da dodje do pameti...u pravu si, takvi ne mogu. :) Vseferović 04:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diff

In India you have 100 languages, 4-5 religions, many different origins...yet the Indian people stand united. All proud to be Indian no matter origin etc.... In the Phillipines most towns don't understand one another...too many dialects.

In Yugoslavia you had 3 religions and most people spoke Serbo-Croat yet we all seperated. This says a fair bit about Serbs Croats and the rest ....

What do you think? Weird when you look at the language/culture/religion/origin differences of other places in the world that Yugoslavia was broken up.

God Speed

How's life in the UK for a Serb-Brit?


Jagoda 1 06:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Municipalities of Bosnia and Herzegovina

Istočno Sarajevo nije opština tako da mu nije mjesto u ovom template-u, Istočno Sarajevo se sastoji od 6 opština. Isto kao što se grad Sarajevo sastoji od četiri opštine i ne nalazi se u ovom template-u.

[edit] Multiple cities on the location map

I answered your question here. -- Ganeshk (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Infobox

Video sam novi infobox u članku Trebinje i moram reći da mi se ne sviđa. Smatram da je infobox sa linijama pregledniji, pa bi ili ovaj trebalo prepraviti da ima linije ili ubaciti neki drugi. PANONIAN (talk) 03:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

E, a onaj za Srbiju je još gori - nismo se dogovorili da praviš takav template već da poboljšaš onaj postojeći. Nikako se ne slažem da koristimo ovakve šablone. PANONIAN (talk) 03:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Vidi: ovo su problemi, kod onog šablona što je u članku Trebinje treba dodati linije između rubrika a treba vratiti i mesto za mapu, a što se tiče šablona "Infobox Serbia": 1. treba mu dodati linije, 2. treba mu smanjiti širinu bar za dve trećine, 3. ne treba gore odrediti samo ćirilično i latično ime, jer u opštinama gde su nacionalne manjine u većini treba i njihovo ime tu da se koristi, pa prema tome treba ostaviti slobodno da se tu može napisati koliki god broj imena želimo, 4. Nisi napravio ni mesto za grb a mislim i još neke stvari koje smo dogovorili. Nadam se da nećeš bez prethodnog dogovora početi da ubacuješ takav šablon u članke. PANONIAN (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Mišljenje" vandala Arvatova

stop vandalizing so-called "Yugoslav" articles. They do not exist once and for all, never did never will. Just look at your history books, where did you see "Yugoslavs" in the 11th century? anywhere? but you get Serbs and Croats and Muslims, but not "Yugoslavs". The article needs to be deleted. NOBODY calls themself that except one or two people in village with no radio, no TV and think is still Milosevic in power. South Serbia. Harvatov 20:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odgovor

  • Vidi, u članku Trebinje se nalazila mapa, a sad je tamo nema. Ja sam napravio poseban šablon "RS cities02" za takve mape. Mnogo članaka o opštinama RS ima takve mape i nije sad fazon da ih sve obrišemo jer šablon koji si napravio ne može da ih koristi. U redu je da šablon "Infobox RS" koristimo za "normalne" mape, ali treba onda napraviti i novi šablon "Infobox RS02" gde će jedina razlika biti to što će moći da koristi i ovakve mape koja je stojala u članku Trebinje.
  • Dalje, mislim da nije dobro da ako u šablonu nema mapa ili grb, da se onda ta rubrika uopšte ne vidi. Bolje je da se vidi, jer onda će drugi korisnici kad vide tu praznu rubriku hteti da je popune, pa će ubaciti grb i zastavu. A kako da je ubace ako ne vide praznu rubriku i ako ni ne znaju da tu treba da bude mapa ili grb?
  • Što se manjinskih imena tiče treba da bude bar dva-tri mesta za manjinska imena (vidi primer Preševo).
  • Ok, linije i ne moraju biti preterano vidljive, ali je ipak bolje da bude bilo kakva linija nego nikakva. Probaj ubaciti neke linije pa da vidimo kako to izgleda. PANONIAN (talk) 23:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mislim...

Dakle, zar ne vidis koja je ekipa tamo tebe vredjala? Svi imamo problema sa njima, ali se borimo. Drugim recima, dodji i nastavi slobodno da radis na srpskoj Vikipediji. Ad hominem napade prijavi na sr:Викиепдија:Администраторска табла i sumnjam da ce proci duze vreme bez sankcija toj osobi. Usput, tu ekipu nam je nakacio na vrat tvoj ortak Boris. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 10:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Шиц тамо Милоше, Естависти је незаменљив овде :) Свака част на раду и само тако настави! Nikola 19:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trebinje

Ok za Trebinje, samo je mapa nešto mala, ako možeš da joj prilagodiš veličinu da se slaže sa infoboxom? Ostalo je sve ok, ako uradiš sve kako si rekao, onda nemam više primedbi. :)) PANONIAN (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Also, I happened to notice that Template: Infobox Serbia conflicts with navigation boxes based on Template:Navigation. It would be good if you could fix it :-) --estavisti 23:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Comparing {{Infobox Serbia}} with {{Infobox RS}} (which doesn't have the same problem, although it's based on Infobox Serbia) might help you get to the root of the problem. --estavisti 00:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? "Conflicts" in which sense? Duja 15:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cyrillic Alphabet in Serbia

Just wanting to explain that my edit to the Serbian Language page about the official status of Cyrillic was based on this page: Serbian_constitutional_referendum,_2006#The_constitution, though I could easily have misunderstood it. The reference to the alphabet being a language though was purely carelessness. Ariasne 17:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Šablon

Pa konkretno, što se tiče šablona u članku Banja Luka, mislim da horizontalne linije treba da budu između svakog posebnog polja, a vertikalne da dele levi i desni deo šablona, kao na primer u članku North Banat District. PANONIAN (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Четници

I'll defer to you on this one then as I'm definitely no expert in the subject, and I'm trying just to educate myself. I did notice on sr wiki it is split up the way it is on here, but unfortunately I'm still trying to learn Cyrillic as well ;) Regards // Laughing Man 00:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I never noticed actually, thanks. Actually, I can understand the language fairly well if I hear it spoken, but for the most part only conversational language. I've never had any education with reading and writing -- hence my grammar is pretty bad. Recently I've started to teach myself and it definitely helps that I at least have a basic set of vocabulary that I understand. It just takes me a bit longer to read Cyrillic than Latin script at this point, but my goal is to be proficient in both. I figured if I'm at least able to read the language, it will improve my vocabulary and grammar the more and more I read. // Laughing Man 03:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Šablon

Dobro, može da bude i tako kao u članku Moskva. važno je da se zbog lakše preglednosti leva i desna strana nekako razlikuju. Što se horizontalnih crta tiče, nisi ih stavio svugde, konkretno izeđu polja "Time zone" i "Web site", jer ove dve stvari nemaju baš nikakve veze jedna sa drugom pa ne treba da budu zajedno. PANONIAN (talk) 15:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ej sad sam video da u članku Novo Goražde nema rubrika za web site u šablonu. Da li si to namerno napravio da se prazne rubrike ne vide ili je to greška? Rekao sam već da nije dobro da se prazne rubrike ne vide, jer onda korisnici neće znati čime treba da ih popune. Ako u šablonu ne stoji rubrika za web site onda te rubrike možda tu neće nikad ni biti, jer novi korisnici nemaju pojma da mogu da prošire šablon sa tom rubrikom. Međutim, ako vide praznu rubriku, onda će je i popuniti. Jel možeš to da središ - da vratiš tu rubriku i da ako već nema sajta napišeš znak pitanja, crticu ili šta već? PANONIAN (talk) 02:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serbian ethnic cleansing

Hey, please see WP:V, which states the following:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be remove.

You mentioned truth in your edit to NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, but Wikipedia is not here to document "truth." It is here to document what reputable sources say about any given subject. Most reputable sources, and the majority view, regard what happened in Kosovo as ethnic cleansing. The only people that seriously dispute this are Serbians, but the international community is fairly certain of what happened. Whether you like their judgment is another matter.UberCryxic 18:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, per your question to one of the users, I have already explained why the "alleged" part is POV. Per your precious Godwin's Law, there are people out there who deny the Holocaust happened. Are we going to say "alleged genocide against the Jews" now? No. Wikipedia calls it what it is/was: genocide (in that case). This here was ethnic cleansing. I realize this is disputed by many Serbians, but honestly Serbians are the only ones who dispute this fairly well established fact.UberCryxic 21:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your country

What part of serbia are you from, I spent time in croatia as a student, I speak your language. Also do not revert things you think are correct but they are not. Any chance of new yugoslavia, why did macedonia leave?

What did I revert that was incorrect? It would be good if you could be more specific. // estavisti 02:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, Kosovo Battle, you and some other guy are reverting and putting some non-sense about some woman paying tribute, that's ok, but not on the results of battle, it's amazing how some people do not get it. So how is life in your country, getting better?

Well I only reverted it once, his version isn't wrong, really, I just preferred the other one. As for your question, every day in every respect ;) // estavisti 23:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to watch for that page, that guy is screwy, paying homage means paying taxes as well, it has nothing to do with results, if he keeps on doing that, alert some administrator, it looks bad, what he wrote. So how is weather over there? This is what I left today: Draw in military terms, both sides lost many men, Kosovo as a whole was later occupied by Ottomans. I hate wikipedia, I waste my time, i only want few articles to be correct, in turn I only go thru personal attacks and so much, so many people play it cool here, use things like civility to back their claims, do stupid posts, etc, but play it cool, sometimes it's really hard to keep cool in return and they use that against you, but still that shows wiki complete ignorance.

Yeah, you get used to it after a year or two :/ That version seems fine to me.--estavisti 21:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I see you had many problems here, if you only knew how many I had, wow, anyways, i will keep you informed on some things, do you know any good administrators you can trust? The ones i know here in usa are worse than pathetic...so what part of yuga r u from?

[edit] RE: Source

I can't access Kosovo.net at the moment - I think the site is down. But if you want to reference Judah, do so. Just reference him instead of an orthodox site that can kindly be described as propaganda. Davu.leon 15:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Also the way you've edited that sentence makes it unweildy and gramatically incorrect. If you insist on adding these claims, put them in the right place, and also add the fact that the MAJORITY of funding for the UCK came from voluntary donations by the Kosovar Albanian people, both in the Diaspora and at home in Kosova. Davu.leon 15:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, in case you missed it, I moved your reference a little lower down in the text. If you have time, please check the new version before reverting - I haven't removed anything, just made it a little easier to read. Thanks Davu.leon 09:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright of Serbian government works

You might be interested in Template:PD-SerbiaGov; follow the links therein for details (namely:Serbian copyright law). It should get us covered for the copyright of materials taken from gov.yu and related websites. See also Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights. Regards, Duja► 10:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southslavlang

Богами, лијепо! Ускоро ћу написати чланак. ;) Поздрав, --Djordje D. Bozovic 12:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of war

I remember milosevic declaring the end of june 11th, in kosovo vs nato, but all say is 10th, what is the official stand?

I have no idea. --estavisti 23:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

So, what other yugo/serb stuff are you looking at? I spent some time in croatia as a student so I understand your language pretty well, i think you need new yuga to keep things together and in a happy mood. Anyways, do you know a good english administrator? If so leave him a message that I will write.

User:Duja is a pretty impartial admin. Me? I'm from Belgrade. --estavisti 23:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Косовски рат

Пазити уредити има арбитражни суд. // Laughing Man 01:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beograd

You really should do the honors, as you put in a lot of work to get the article to FA status. Add {{featured article}} to the bottom of the article page, as it seems it is official and talk page has already been updated. Great work on the article dude :) // Laughing Man 03:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Šabloni (opet)

E, nego da završimo diskusiju o šablonima. Napisao si mi ovo: "Па није проблем у томе што ми не можемо да нађемо страницу неке тамо општине, него просто те општине немају присуство на Мрежи и неће га ни имати наредних 5 година." Pa otkud znaš da te opštine neće imati sajt 5 godina? Možda ga, primera radi, otvore za dva meseca, pa šta ćemo onda? Poenta je da treba da ostaviš drugim korisnicima prostor da proširuju šablon novim podacima osim ako ne nameravaš da ti lično pratiš kada će svaka opština dobiti sajt pa da sam to dodaješ u šablon. :) PANONIAN (talk) 04:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

The Medo Pucić article had been mysteriously deleted and I can't find (oddly) any page that leads to its WP:AfD...

P. S. Have a say at this poll of mine. --PaxEquilibrium 19:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NATO bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Hi Estavisti, As I get the impression that there is an edit war unfolding, I took the liberty to jump in. I have edited the infobox to quote directly from the NATO press statement. Please note that the Casus Belli implies that "a government [needs] to demonstrate that it was going to war only as a last resort", therefore the non-acceptance of the Rambouillet terms is the casus belli, that what ultimately led to the war unfolding. Regards, Asteriontalk 18:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The reason for your enforcment of Runjanin's ethnicity in a totally unrelated article?

Can you explain this to me? Is this some kind of ego trip you are getting from it or what? Can't we have at least one normal article involving Serbs and Croats without people like you jumping in? --Factanista 07:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of Nato bombing in kosovo

Milosevic signaled the end of war on June 11th, but everywhere it says June 10th, why dont you know?

[edit] Gazimestan

Mozes da bacis pogled na Requested moves i potvrdis oko Gazimestana? Nikola 23:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gorani

Nije dobro što si promenio ime "Gorani, Kosovo" u "Gorani (ethnic group)". Postoji još jedna etnička grupa sa tim imenom. Pogledaj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorani Gorani su takođe etnička grupa Kurda. PANONIAN (talk) 20:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opstina

Treba napisati u inboxu "Opština...". Kada pišeš inbox za državu, pišeš pun naziv u inboxu. Takođe ne piše Belgrade, već City of Belgrade, City of Novi Sad, Autonomna Pokrajina Vojvodina, kao i Communa di Milano (tako nešto), ...

Znači neko pravilo je da se na inboxu piše pravni naziv toga o čemu se piše, ne? --Göran Smith 20:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On Josif Runjanin article

You broke the 3RR rule and you will be reported. --Factanista 01:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of Kosovo war

Hi there, i am the guy who asked you before how is life in your country? I spent few years in zagreb as a student, so you are certain kosovo nato terror war ended officially and legally june 10th, i was told june 11th, i know bombing stopped on 10th, so why did macedonia separate?


[edit] Use of "Bosniam Muslims" in Pretty Village, Pretty Flame

Hi there. You reverted my changes to the article. I tryed to get a discussion going on the talk-page, but noone responded so I went ahead and made the changes. Now I at least have someone top discuss the question with.

In what way is the term bosnian muslim which is considered antiquated and, in certain situations, very offensive due to its implied religious identification, "appropraite to the period of the film"? Usually wikipedia articles refer to "Bosnian Muslims" as Bosniaks even if the individual lived while the antiquated term stil was in use. Please see Bosniak. -Betel

[edit] Sremski Karlovci

E, ajde ako možeš pogledaj članak Sremski Karlovci i reci mi da li vidiš u infoboxu mapu Srbije. Ja je ne vidim uopšte ni na Operi ni na Internet Exploreru, jedino je vidim kad kliknem na nju, ali se u članku ne vidi. Ako i ti imaš isti problem, onda tu mapu treba promeniti. PANONIAN (talk) 22:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

100 posto je to do karte. Meni se ranije dešavalo da ubacim sliku na viki i da je ne vidim tako, i onda je ubacim ponovo pod drugim imenom posle čega je vidim. Dakle, to je neki bag koji je vezan za uploadovanje slike. Sliku samo treba ubaciti ponovo pod drugim imenom i biće u redu. PANONIAN (talk) 23:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beograd

Dakle evo opet me zvala zena iz Skupstine, ako nije problem da stoji taj grb sa logotipom pa makar ga preksutra sklonili. Nikola 13:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Bilo bi lepo ako bi mogao na chat da navratis. Nikola 13:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Tako je kako je. Budi spreman sutra da budno motris na clanak... Nikola 15:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Na cetu sam, ti nista ne odgovaras? Nikola 15:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rs

Estavisti, one person has no right to change them for his or her own liking. You have made that template with mentioning RS two times, even in the heading. The Vojvodina region does not even have this. Compare Vojvodina to the RS. Both are part of one single country. There is no reason for the RS template but outright provocation. Therefore let's find a consensus on this. One person cannot simply change something for his liking over night. This is why I say we need to agree upon this. Thank you, Vseferović 17:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] userpage

Dude is everything ok?? // Laughing Man 00:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm just shocked that all of a sudden you have decided to this... Why don't you take some time off and away from here instead, and then after some time you can do all that? // Laughing Man 01:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I understand exactly what you mean, I've felt the same before and that inspired my change of username a while back. "I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes. That way I wouldn't have to have any goddam stupid useless conversations with anybody." But I always seem to get pulled into that nonsense as well. Not sure if you've hear of Citizendium, it's going to be fork of Wikipedia that essentially tries to address the problems your talking about, hopefully they will. In any case, thanks for the help from since I started here and your contribs here as I learned alot by reading them. Hope will reconsider in the future... // Laughing Man 05:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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