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I don't like for outdated discussions to remain on my talk page; I absolutely hate clutter, and frankly, there is no real reason for a week-old discussion to still be sitting on my talk page. I believe old discussions make the page hard to read, both for me and for other users, and they make other users less likely to leave a message. In the spirit of clutter-free talk pages and uncensored archival, I present here all previous discussions, in the order they were removed from my talk page.

Note: Some discussions are archived on separate pages either:

  1. Because I archived them there before I created this archive, or
  2. Because they were too long for this archive.

Those archive pages are listed below as well.

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Discussions Archived from My Talk Page

Contents

[edit] Re: Requests for Checkuser Clerkship

Ok, incase you haven't already noticed by me being in the clerk channel, I'm still interested, so I'll go read some help files and the like. ;) Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 04:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Great; if you have questions, you know where to find us! Essjay (Talk) 04:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Requests for Checkuser Clerkship

Much like the people above, I am also very happy to help out by being a Checkuser clerk. Thanks very much. DarthVader 05:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wonderful! (I'm running out of ways to say that...) Daniel will get you fitted for your waders and issue your box of bandaids for papercuts resulting from excessive filing. ;) Essjay (Talk) 05:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Spelling

Well you'd have to go back 19 years and stop my parents committing the horrible sin of naming me.... wait a minute, I LIKE MY NAME!! Anyway mistake pardoned, I'll share the "secret" of remembering my name: just remember "StrikeIt" (© sean_black) and later drop the initial "t". Too much trouble?? Screw it all and call me eww ;) Cheers --Srikeit 06:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You know, I'm pretty frequently tempted to do just that! Essjay (Talk) 00:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)

I was wondering if you could un-delete Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television) for the time being. There's a request for arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Naming Conventions for TV-episodes articles, and some of the links and diffs being used are from the mediation request. -- Ned Scott 09:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Didn't see this here. I'd like to second the request to get the page undeleted. I believe the page itself and the steps leading to mediation being rejected may prove to be important evidence in the ArbCom proceeding. – Anþony  talk  00:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I got it. Thatcher131 00:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
That's fine; generally, we don't allow mediation communications to be used as evidence, but this one never made it to actual mediation, so I'll leave it to the Arbitrators to decide whether it is valid as evidence. Essjay (Talk) 01:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I'll bear that in mind if I see a similar request in the future. Thanks. Thatcher131 02:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts#Assistance with bureaucrat JS

I've had a go at making this script (see User:ais523/sandbox.js); more details are with the request. Let me know what you think! --ais523 10:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Trying it out now. Essjay (Talk) 00:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for your kind comments regarding my RfA. While it was a shame that it did not achieve consensus with a final support tally of 51, the huge level of support and the comments made with oppose votes will help me to improve and hopefully be promoted next time. Thanks again. :) Wikiwoohoo 20:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome; it was definately a very hard one to call. Essjay (Talk) 00:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:EssjayBot II

Is there any way you could you set EssjayBot II to archive Wikipedia talk:Reference desk? We have reasonably good consensus that we need an archive bot, only the number of days is up in the air. If possible, please respond here..Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#User:EssjayBot_II. Thank you for your time--VectorPotentialThe Reference Desk 21:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll drop that way shortly. Essjay (Talk) 00:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help Desk Question

Hey Essjay, there is a question over at the help desk that I think you could help with answering. The post is available at this link. Thanks, :-). Cbrown1023 22:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Essjay (Talk) 00:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mountain Meadows Massacre

I got busy with my real life and didn't log in for some time. I've put my "agree" vote on the MMM mediation page. Gwen Gale 23:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Essjay (Talk) 00:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I've responded there; please see my comments and work with the others to determine if there is still desire to proceed. Essjay (Talk) 00:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update

[1] Khoikhoi 02:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Will take a look directly. Essjay (Talk) 00:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Looks like Aphaia has it under control; you might drop an email telling her the background of the matter so she knows exactly what's going on. Essjay (Talk) 00:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you please mediate the MSN Games conflict?

A user, who does not have an account with Wikipedia, keeps reverting the MSN Games article to a version with his advertisement in it. He does nothing but harass those who delete it out.

Can you please handle him?

TFX 09:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure you understand the nature of mediation at Wikipedia; mediations are not conducted by making requests on mediator's talk pages, but by filing a request at WP:RFM, after having read and understood the nature of mediation. This, however, is not a matter for mediation; simply mention it on WP:AIV and an administrator will look into the matter. Essjay (Talk) 00:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Lost episodes

This mediation case, which I handled while you were hors de combat, has become a peripheral issue in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Naming Conventions. Apparently, one of the participants in the mediation made a suggestion early on, which was not incorporated into the final agreement, but she has allegedly told others that it was, to support her position on the naming of TV episode articles. Given your comments above, I don't know if you want to look in on this or not. Thatcher131 03:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, this is a . The general rule is, communications made in good faith during a mediation may not later be used outside the mediation as evidence. The intent is to prevent a user from making good faith comments in mediation and later having them used against them in Arbitration or other dispute resolution. I think the point here is going to be whether what is being used as evidence is a mediation communication, or if it is just the result of the mediation that is being referenced. At the risk of being pedantic, long-winded, and perhaps legalistic, I think it is fine for them to say "There was a mediation. We came to a decision. The decision can be viewed [[RFM page|here]]." It would not, however, be fine for them to say "S/he has a history of misrepresenting things. S/he did it during the mediation case too. [[RFM page|Here]] are examples of him/her doing so during the mediation." In order for the latter to be admissible, it would have to rise to the level of bad faith intended to disrupt the mediation, which would be very difficult to prove if the mediation was concluded successfully. As long as what is being said remains in the line of "You can see the text of the agreement here" and stays away from "You can see this user's conduct here" it is fine; if it moves into the latter, then the Mediation Committee would need to look into it more carefully and consult with the Arbitration Committee. In the end, however, I trust the Arbitrators to say "You can't use that" when it's inadmissable, so it's really more of an academic exercise about making sure the Mediation Committee's commitment to confidentiality is visibly upheld; I have no doubt that, with regard to the AC, it is always actually upheld. Essjay (Talk) 03:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I think put in its starkest terms the allegation would be that she misrepresented the results of the mediation once it was over, but not that there was any problem during the mediation. So it seems to be allowable for now. Thatcher131 04:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the extremely fast and efficient service at WP:CHU! You're quite the über 'crat! :-) Mikker (...) 04:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome. :) Essjay (Talk) 04:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
By the way, make sure you've logged out and back in with your new name, as your session data won't clear until you do. (That is, you're making edits with the old name until you log out.) Essjay (Talk) 04:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Not a prob; and thanks for the advice - I have now logged out & in again. Cheers, Mikker (...) 04:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] comment

Thanks. That's my friend who likes to complain about the block of User:NYScholar. pschemp | talk 04:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Mmmmm. Wonder who he really is? Essjay (Talk) 04:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] blocked ip

Sweet user page/talk page. Hi Essjay, i'm a new user JamieJones talk 00:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC). You blocked the ip i log in from at a high school where I work. Can you help me? I keep getting blocked from wikipedia from there. Is it not possible to block anon ip's from there, but not me if i'm logged in? And do you think you could keep a watch on my talk page in case i get blocked again, as i can't do anything till i get to another computer?

Thanks! JamieJones talk 00:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

(Crossposted to User talk:JamieJones)
JamieJones: I'd be happy to help, but I need a little information first. I am unable to see what IP you are using for privacy reasons, so you'll have to provide it for me. Since you're able to post here, I'm assuming it is probably an autoblock, rather than an actual IP block, because if it was a full block, you would only be able to edit your talk page. If you'll email me (essjaywiki at gmail dot com) with the IP (it should tell you in the block text) as well as the reason it gives for the block (it should say "the reason given is: .... ), I'll go unblock it. Essjay Talk • Contact 14:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
It's in my user talk. The last time it was 64.235.102.2. Someone else cleared it up, but it seems to keep happening. Look at the user talk history from my page. So frustrating. Thanks! JamieJones talk 15:24, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged that IP's talk page with a warning asking anyone who blocks it to keep the block short and to notify one of us that have unblocked previously so we can watch it. I'll also keep your talk page on my watchlist; if you need unblocked, make sure your edit summary is something like "Help, I've been accidentally blocked again!" Essjay Talk • Contact 15:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Swoop

You are probably right about the book's not showing Vikings and being more equally heavy-handed on all the invaders. Have not seen it since about 1975. I do remember the "mad mullah." Please feel free to edit what I did. Thanks!

Incidentally, I saw your credentials and am just hoping you'd edit some of the stuff on Noah's Ark (etc). I have met Fr. Frank Gignac of Catholic University and listened to several of his lectures, as well as knowing Prof. George Coyne, director of the Vatican observatory, and my "take" on it is that they, at least (not necessarily to say the Church) take many Bible stories as allegorical, not literal. I'm afraid that the Noah's Ark entry is taking on a cancerous spread into the definition of myth and many other sideroads (e.g. "Creationist Geology" - which claims among other things that the Grand Teton and Rocky mountains are less than 6,000 years old.) Perhaps you could take a look at Noah's Ark and possibly edit it. (I think the Creationist Geology piece in Wikipedia is pretty much OK, but the digressions use external references and links.) Carrionluggage 16:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm so very confused; I don't remember having discussed any of the above with you. Could you fill me in on where this discussion began? Essjay Talk • Contact 16:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sorry for confusion

I saw that someone named JohnnyZen critiqued my comment on P G Wodehouse's "The Swoop" and I thought I clicked on his message page. How I got into yours is a mystery -sorry again! Nevertheless, if you would want to edit any of that fundamentalist junk about literal interpretations of the Bible leading to endless haggling about things like how many dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark - I encourage you. Carrionluggage 17:23, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry...

about last night. I forgot to mention when we started that I was on limited time. :/ I hate to do that to people, but it happens...just about every night! I'm going to be on Friday night from 8:00-8:30 EST (don't know your time zone, I could probably find it on one of your multiple subpages, but don't feel like it), so if you happen to be on then, maybe I'll try picking your brain then. This whole IRC thing, while good, doesn't seem to make my computer very happy...although the Ice Chat 5 looks good at first glance. I need help figuring out how to join a channel, since it didn't seem to work right(?), but that's my current "open problem" with that...thanks agian for your help, I can't wait to try Ice Chat some more...Ciao!--ViolinGirl? 12:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem; I doubt I'll be on tomorrow night (I have to spend time with Robbie sometime ;-) ) but I'll be happy to help you with it. (I'm in EST too.) To join, just type /join and the name of the channel. If you have other questions, catch me on there or leave me a note here. Essjay Talk • Contact 00:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Access to confirm people on IRC

Hey Essjay, I was just wondering if it was possible for me to be added to the list of users who can confirm other users for the CVU channel on IRC. If you can't or don't want to, no biggie, just wondering. -Greg Asche (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I just realized I've always had ops in the channel, and therefore can add people... -Greg Asche (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

We've reset the command so you can only do it with level 20; if you want to be on the list, let me know and I'll add you. Essjay Talk • Contact 00:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Glad

Hi. I know this might be late, but I'm just popping in to tell you that I'm glad that you decided to come back to Wikipedia.

  • PS: I've "borrowed" your "Administrator banner". Hope u dont mind :D Orane (t) (c) (e) 04:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, and no problem, that's what its there for! Essjay Talk • Contact 04:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] AN

"What the situation looks like to me (from the history; I was not involved) is that the category was nominated, and Jimbo said stop. He was ignored; that was inappropriate, regardless of what objections were used to justify it. Every contributor is free to disagree with Jimbo, but they are not free to act in defiance of his authority. To make matters worse, when the vote was continued in defiance of his request that the discussion be moved, he clarified himself that the vote was to end immediately, and was ignored a second time. If that was not disrespectful enough, when he closed the CfD, he was reverted. At that point, a less patient individual would have blocked the reverter and dared anyone to think about overturning it, but he did not do that.

It is unfortunate that this situation happened, but it is an opportunity for all of us to remember that Jimbo is the boss. When he gives orders, it is our obligation to abide by them. We are free to voice our concerns and objections, and to refuse to participate in them, but we may not act in defiance to them. In this situation, if individuals object to the category, do as you are asked and voice your objections on the talk page. If the matter is not settled to your satisfaction, then decline to participate: don't add articles to the category, and don't watch the articles in the category. But, do not act in open defiance by insisting on deleting the category; to do so is disrespectful to Jimbo, without whom we would not have this project, and is disruptive to the orderly function of the site. It has been argued that discussions such as this CfD are the operation of the rules and processes that keep the site running; however, continuing this particular CfD in opposition to Jimbo's direct orders is a disruption of the most central rule to the orderly function of Wikipedia: The final decision on any matter is reserved to Jimbo, and there is no appeal of his decision. When we forget that, then we have forgotten that which is most central to Wikipedia."

Although I can't respond to you on AN/I, I beg to differ. I think it's great that Jimbo encountered some substantial opposition. It's a sign of the community maturing. Part of growing up typically means that the role of one's parents shifts from command to advice. You can apply that as an analogy here, I think. When a parent is still trying to issue commands at a stage when they should have shifted to advice, that produces natural conflict which you would've been less likely to see previously. I think it helps to look at it in those terms. The opposition encountered represents a growing disconnect between the perception of the project and the perception of Jimbo. Full maturity will come when Jimbo has no power left except to advise—I'd rather embrace that trend instead of resisting it. What good does it do to have an attachment to the wishes of one guy? The community, having developed itself systemically, with its own processes, knows better than just one guy. Everyking 09:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

That would be a lovely outcome, but we do not have the luxury of acting on what may come to pass. The situation as it is now is that Jimbo is the final word. In the instant situation, he exercised his authority and was defied, and that is inappropriate. I respect and encourage the right of the opposition to be heard, but I do not and will not advocate for anarchy. Wikipedia is not an exercise in anarchy, nor is it an exercise in democracy.
I agree that it is good to see people voicing thier opposition, and I encourage them to do so. I do not however, encourage them to do so in a way that violates the rules. In the offline world, I encourage my students to appeal adverse decisions, and to demonstrate against actions they feel are in error; I do not, however, encourage them to burn down the administraton building or murder the dean. It is not the opposition I disapprove of, it is the manner in which it was expressed.
It is the responsibility and obligation of individuals in civilized society to operate within the rules as they are. They may disagree with the rules, and they may seek to change the rules, but they may not break the rules. In this case, the rule is what Jimbo says goes. Individuals may disagree with his decision, they may voice thier opposition to his decision, they may refuse to promote his decision, but they may not act in defiance of his decision. "I didn't like the rule, so I broke it" is never, ever justification. Essjay Talk • Contact 09:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi, Essjay

Essjay...mind looking at this? (Just FYI: it was nothing you did, so please don't take it personally.)--ViolinGirl? 14:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe if you looked at CP and my discussion (here and here, it would explain better where I'm coming from. I just thought I should let you know, since you have always been so helpful to me. Thanks for that.--ViolinGirl? 21:42, 21 January 2006 (UTC)



[edit] #wikipedia-en-vandalism

Hello. I was advised by Pathoschild to ask you for op access (level 20?) on #wikipedia-en-vandalism so I could help with the verification procedure. Thanks, — FireFox • T • 16:10, 21 January 2006

Sorry, not I. I'm not involved in it at all. The CVU has lost an ally. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:30, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Oooh, what's this Essjay, you quit the CVU? NSLE (T+C) 05:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
You're a good op; it'd be nice if you came back and whacked people who do things without consulting instead. ;) // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 05:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

for your help and everything. I will see you around. ;) --ViolinGirl? 23:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status Changer

Hi Essjay. I was wondering, could I adopt your status changer along with the statuschanger.js like yours. It wuld be most helpful if I obtain it, rather than doing it manually. SWD316 talk to me 02:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

You're most welcome to it, but it's actualy Topaz's script; he has a page about it here. It'll explain exactly how to set it up. Essjay Talk • Contact 16:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help on Image removed (Image:YuSoChowpic:jpg)

Hi, I noticed that my uploaded image was removed after returning from my holidays. I don't really understand the reason. I have given the information requested when it was told to be removed for the first time. It seems everything is Ok and satisfied your request. But now it was again deleted by OrphanBot. I have left a message to Redwolf24 for help last week but I have not received reply yet. Will you please let me know how to restore the image and what other information I need to provide for the copyright. Thanks alot.(YSC Fan 09:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC))

[edit] IRC

Please talk to me on IRC as I am confused about that day. --Cool CatTalk|@ 16:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Sam Spade

Thanks for the assist & support. I really only asked a question at Talk:Jesus; I'm unsure why this user responded as he did. KHM03 18:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Sam Spade is a known troll, and has had runins with most of the higherups on Wikipedia. Why he is allowed to continue his trolling I do not know. Don't let anything he says bother you; other than trolling people until they get fed up and leave, he has no power whatsoever. Essjay Talk • Contact 18:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Counter Vandalism Unit

Hello im need help I would like to be a member of the IRC Counter Vandalism Unit. I use the name of phoenixoverride. there is a discusion about it. I origonal tried to get the IRC username of Betacommand, that was already in use so I changed the name to phoenixoverride. The problem i gess is that I had opened a new window and it did not register that I was logged in so my change was registed as 156.63.190.132 I apologize for that I would like this matter settled

Thanks,

Betacommand 20:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Your account is too new. We have discussed the matter at length, and the decision is to defer. Please feel free to use -vandalism2 in the mean time. Essjay Talk • Contact 20:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I would but "*** Access to channel #wikipedia-en-vandalism2 is blocked"

Thanks Betacommand 20:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll check into it. Essjay Talk • Contact 20:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I've checked the channel, and the only thing we can figure out is that you haven't identified to nickserv, and are therefore blocked. Register your nick, identify to services, and try to join. There are no blocks, bans, or other barriers to joining. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Don't threaten me again.

Sam Spade 23:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The warning seemed appropriate. Long term contributors like Sam Spade ought to be familiar with WP:CIV by now. If Sam is concerned that your behaviour was abusing your admin privileges, I encourage him to bring the matter to WP:AN/I. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Ten, I appreciate the support. Essjay Talk • Contact 23:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Test

Test. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 03:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism by 207.62.192.18

I'm here to report a user 207.62.192.18 who has recently vandalized three school articles. I noticed he has an extensive record of vandalization on his talk page, including a final warning from yourself. Please check it out and block him from editing Wikipedia articles as necessary. -- Big.P 07:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

  • 66.211.135.162

Repeated Vandalism Has already been blocked once. Please Block again

Example:

Thanks Betacommand 15:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

66.193.128.98 repeat vandal has been Blocked. Please Block

  • 23:16, October 31, 2005 Jdavidb blocked "User:66.193.128.98" with an expiry time of 24 hours (vandalism)
  • 21:09, April 21, 2005 Ran blocked "User:66.193.128.98" with an expiry time of 24 hours (returning vandal)

More Vandalism

same as above repeat Vandals Will provide more edivence upon request

[edit] What should I do?

You're the one who welcomed me here, so:

I have recently come across a user who has uploaded more than 50 images, all with source URLs, but without proper license tags. Messages left on the subject's talk page by several users have been ignored. What should I do to deal with this? Alr 23:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

You should tag them with {{no source}} and they will be removed in a few days -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 23:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I've tried, but this person is still uploading them, and there's just too many to tag effieciently. Alr 23:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't use JOG

Hello. In my RfAr, you repeatedly refer to me as "JOG." I am offended by this usage, this is not my name, and I consider its use disrespectful. This was not your intent, of course, as you were likely looking for brevity. As I have changed Mr. to Dr. in deference to your status as requested, I humbly request that the deminutive JOG be changed at least to Jeffrey O. Gustafson, if not Mr. Gustafson due to the formality of the proceedings. This may seem trivial (and in view of the big picture, it is, I guess), but JOG is extremely offensive to me and my request is a tiny one. Thanks, --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 00:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Had you bothered to show some respect to those of us who raised concerns over your conduct, I might be inclined to take your request seriously. Since you dismissed us without even bothering to make a civil or respectful response to the concerns raised in the RfC, you haven't earned my respect. I honestly couldn't care less if you refer to me as Mr. or Dr.; your intent is to make a mockery of the process, and I refuse to help you do it. To come here and take issue with me over something so trivial, when you can't even be bothered to respond to your own glaring violations of policy and this community's standards is very telling of your illegitimately inflated regard for yourself over the other users of this site. Essjay Talk • Contact 03:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
<sigh> You misrepresent my intent so completely... "illegitimately inflated regard for yourself" is perplexing as I have never said I was better than anyone else. Ever. "Take issue" is not what I am doing, I am making a request, which you are free to ignore, just as was I. I do not intend to mock the process by asking for formality - if someone wishes to go to through a formal process, it is logical. I have only respect for others here and the process as I have said before. Despite your misrepresentation, I respect your right to say what you wish. My lack of response was not disrespect, but because I did not, and still do not feel, the whole thing was necessary (my opinion). --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 03:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Holy Door/Holy door

Hi,

It seems Wikipedia has independent, repetitive articles at both capitalizations. I think the need for a merge is obvious, but -- being very much not Catholic -- do not wish to tread sacred topics myself. Of course, you were the first person I thought of, and I expect the task will take you less than three minutes. Best wishes, Xoloz 08:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I shall wander that way as soon as I wade through the administrative matters that seem to pile up at my (holy?) doorstep. ;-) Essjay Talk • Contact 22:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] please remove catholic church of wikipedia page

please remove the catholic church of wikipedia page. i am totally against my religion being parodied and satired. themoomin

Not a chance. Your own problem if you are offended. --maru (talk) Contribs 13:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Dude, the guy is a theological scholar with a doctorate in canon law. He's entitled to have a sense of humour, and we're not going to burn him for heresy. Remember—imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Alternately, I would be more than willing to host–in my user space–a well-written and tasteful satirical treatment of any religion that you aren't against parodying. Every good wikichurch needs a schism now and then. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer it if no religion is satired or parodied. You really dont know who you offend. The problems in the middle east are caused from a lack of respect of each other. I am for a good laugh. Just not taking the piss out of someones faith.

Well, actually the problems in the Middle East have more to do with millenia old disputes over hereditary and property rights, than with respect, but that's beside the point. If you feel it should be deleted, nominate it at WP:MFD, but I doubt you'll have much luck. It's already been tried. Thanks. --LV (Dark Mark) 18:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Three times, actually, and all have failed. Essjay Talk • Contact 22:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to anoint yourself President of the Council of Bishops of the Methodist Church of Wesley-pedia, should you grow tired of the criticism. We Methodists could not care less how we're parodied. ;) KHM03 22:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
There are so many jokes a good Anglo-Catholic could make in response to that... Sam Korn (smoddy) 22:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
As a presbyterian, I'm immune to parody. We are our own parody ;) --Doc ask? 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Presbyterians=Britney Spears. --LV (Dark Mark) 22:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm going to found the Wikipedia Church (Disciples of Jimbo) and then try myself in the CCW for heresy... Essjay Talk • Contact 22:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in but what do you (the questioner) think gives an organisation of like-minded people the right to immunity from satire? All organisations and races are (and in my opinion should be). How does the fact that its a religion affect this? --Celestianpower háblame 23:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vatican and copyright

Hello,

I am a wikipedian from Polish Wikipedia, and the people from foundation-l mail list suggested that you may know what to do:

There is a problem of potential copyright violation of putting to the Wikisources and other Wikimedia projects encyclis and other documents signed by Popes. According to:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2005615,00.html

and several other newspapers all these documents are copyrighted, and Vatican officials are currently trying impose strict copyright.

We have quite a lot of this stuff in Wikisources. See for example:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_Encyclicals

and

http://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Kategoria:Religia

What should we do with this? Send a formal letter to the Vatican, asking for GFDL or PD licence agreement - or we should simply delete all these documents?

Polimerek 14:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I saw this on CNN this morning and immediately thought of Wikipedia. I would suspect that the Vatican would not grant any kind of public license, though it doesn't hurt to try I guess. Anyway, I think I may raise this issue at AN or on wikien-l. · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 17:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
The article states:
Publishers will have to negotiate a levy of between 3 per cent and 5 per cent of the cover price of any book or publication “containing the Pope’s words”. Those who infringe the copyright face legal action and a higher levy of 15 per cent.
I'm not trying to be a lawyer or anything, but since Wikipedia's cover price is €0, wouldn't the fine be €0??? And has someone told Jimbo? --LV (Dark Mark) 17:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
It's true that they make exception for "news media" (presumably because there's no direct profit being made), but the problem for Wikipedia is licensing. The GFDL allows the person who contributed any certain thing (in this case, the pope) to retain the copyright, but also allows for it to be redistributed and reused, including by commercial interests that may use it in profitmaking. So in that way Wikipedia (and possibly Wikisource, I don't know), while it generates no direct profit, could help another business generate a direct profit. Also, I just posted something to wikien-l. · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 17:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm... very good point. Keep us updated. --LV (Dark Mark) 17:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


I have just posted a note about this problem on Wikisource's Scriptorium. Apwoolrich 19:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I responded on the Foundation's mailing list. This one is way out of my league; I do canon law, not Vatican law. (Vatican law is "real" law, like the US Code; canon law deals with spiritual matters, and the internal governance of the Church). People are going to get sued over this, not excommunicated; until somebody is excommunicated, my hands are tied. ;-) I suggested they contact the Office of the General Counsel at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops for guidance. Essjay Talk • Contact 22:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just curious, but . . . . .

are you by any chance the same "SJ" credited as providing "Latin translation assistance" in Kate Horsley's Confessions of a Pagan Nun? Carptrash 23:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I barely speak Latin, so, no, sorry, not me. Essjay Talk • Contact 23:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Article

Hey, question. I (actually User:Jasonward) has a new article. He started it at Jason Ward-Recording Engineer/Producer cause Jason Ward is allready taken. I didn't think that name would fly, so I thought Jason Ward (Music) would be better. Any suggestions? Joe I 00:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Never you mind, on it's way to deletion. Joe I 01:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dear 'Wiki Pope':

Dr J -- now that you have gotten over your hissy fit and returned to Wikipedia, are you planning on doing anything other than threatening users, supporting baseless and punitive Requests for Arbitration and Comment, and involving yourself in the meaningless squabbles of Wikipedia "politics?"

When was the last time you actually used your supposed superior education and intelligence in the actual writing of the encyclopedia itself? I myself am starting to doubt whether you posess any specialized training at all, save that of the rare talent you have of coming across as overbearing and petulant on other user's talk pages... Heads up!Jeffrey Barlach 02:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Please remain civil and cease the personl attacks. --LV (Dark Mark) 02:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
He left a libelous anti-Essjay diatribe on my talk page which I have reverted. I have warned him again against such attacks, and will block him if he does it again. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 03:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I've left a {{npa3}} on his page, and will continue to monitor from afar. NSLE (T+C) 03:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
It took me a second, but I recognized the trademarks: this looks like another Rainbowwarrior1977 sockpuppet. (It smells almost identical to his ranting to Gmaxwell during the Shelburne Kissmayo incident.) Redwolf24 told me that RW77 had been in touch with him after using Brandonfarb to harass me, and that he was using another sockpuppet to edit, but had given up trolling. (So much for that, I suppose.) I've been through this enough to know exactly how to handle the situation: First, don't feed the troll, you're only feeding his psychosis. Second, I'll file a Checkuser request and see if he's gotten smart enough to use a proxy this time. Finally, we indef block as a recreation of a hardbanned user. (Anyone who would like to be the one to argue the existence of a hardban for this round, please see the Request for Clarification I filed with the ArbCom during the last round.) Now, places everyone, we have a ballet to perform! Essjay Talk • Contact 18:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I really appreciate it, Essjay. If there's anything I can do, any time, do let me know. Chick Bowen 19:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

If I accepted one of the offers I've received to be nominated for adminship, would you support me?(read as: do you think I'm ready)

Prodego talk 23:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

You know, I really can't say. I haven't had a lot of interaction with you "out there" on the site; are you fairly involved in RC patrol? Have you put your input in to RfA? AfD? Have you given input into policy matters (such as semiprotection and RfR)? If you have a fairly wide base (i.e., you are involved in the things I've mentioned) as well as substantive edits to the article side of things, then I'd say go ahead and try; the worst that can happen is they say no. (And I don't think that is as big of a deal as people take it to be; I've been through three successful RfA's and gained valuable input each time.) Essjay Talk • Contact

[edit] Help

I need yuo to raarange my babel..on my userpage...thanks!Tan DX 07:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award

Essjay is awarded the Surreal Barnstar for adding a "special flavor" to the community and for being the perfect Wikipedian. Latinus 19:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Essjay is awarded the Surreal Barnstar for adding a "special flavor" to the community and for being the perfect Wikipedian. Latinus 19:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The "special flavor" can be broadly interpreted - it ranges from having the best userpage to having founded (and led) numerous wiki-societies. You get the idea ;-) Latinus 20:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Well thank you very much! I appreciate being appreciated! ;-) Essjay Talk • Contact 20:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you use your award creating skills...

Hey Essjay, could you refer to this conversation at the Esperanza proposals talk page. If you could make an award or trophy for this upcomming program I know everyone involved would be very appreciative. Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Also if you are intrested I've created Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award and you can also review the guidelines and general information here Guidelines and information. Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 18:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Essjay I apolopize in advance for spamming you with this again! I currently have this projects guidelines and it's general information on an user subpage of mine. I'd like to move it to the Programs list as soon as possible! The only thing stopping me is the award, I currently have you marked as the creator of this not yet made award. All I would need is your confirmation that you are willing to make it and I'll feel comfortable moving it! Thanks so much for taking your time too read and hopefully review all of this. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 10:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'll do it. Essjay Talk • Contact 10:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipediology Elections

Voting for the positon of Regent Ñ will begin on February 5th at the voting page. All candidates should list themselves there before then. Please take the time to vote, and become more active in the Wikipediology Institute. Thanks - Pureblade | T 04:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

Rm alt nick; link your nicks and your access will apply to all I'm afraid I don't know how. I've registered both my nicks to NickServ. Whenever I get disconnected or I leave the room, I have to identify my nickname to nickserv all over again, if I don't I don't get+ when I enter #wikipedia-en-vandalism. Instead it trys to get me in under my alternative nick. Can you help rectify my problem? Thanks. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 14:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I looked for you on IRC to tell you how, but I couldn't find you. It's really simple, just message me and I'll walk you through it. Essjay Talk • Contact 15:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, would you like me to get on IRC? If so where? :-D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think I know what you mean now. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 15:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protection of Wikipedia:Vandalism

Hi, I'm sorry you were annoyed by my manner of unprotecting it. I've taken to cruising through CAT:SEMI and the protection log to see what's been protected because most admins never actually remember to unprotect things. We'd have literally hundreds of articles semi'd at the moment if one or two of us didn't trail around after the rest. This means that I don't, usually, leave the admins notes because I'd have to write some 20 to 30-odd talk page messages most times and I can't face the labour. On the few occasions I have, I've got irritated-sounding responses. I usually figure that the unprotection summaries and the edit summary when I remove the tag let the admin know why I did it. Anyway, that's why I didn't leave you a message; again, I'm sorry that annoyed you. On a related point, I wonder if Wikipedia:Vandalism might actually be worth semiprotecting on a long-term basis: it's not an article, nearly 100% of vandals get directed to it and it's an enormous waste of time cleaning up after them. -Splashtalk 17:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't upset, I just would have liked to know since it was done just a few hours after I set it. Had it been a couple of weeks (which, I assume, is what you were clearing out) I wouldn't have cared, but to have taken the time to protect it and then be reversed without comment a few hours later seemed out of the ordinary; my only issue was that I thought the protection wasn't working. No sleep lost, no hard feelings, and I agree, no reason it shouldn't be sprotected permanently, since there really aren't a lot of changes to be made, and barely any should be coming from IPs. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Willy on Wheel Userbox

Hey Essjay, I just happened to notice that you have been impersonated by Willy a very impressive six times! For that honor, I would like to offer you the userbox below. I will not be offended if you don't want to use it, but I thought you might like it. Once again, from a vandal-fighter's point of view, being impersonated by Willy is an honor so sing it loud, sing it proud! -- Psy guy Talk 21:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

This user have been impersonated by Willy on Wheels 6 times.
Actually, I already have a WOW userbox, but I'll stash yours away in case I ever decide to switch out. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User Page Award

Hi, Essjay! Would you mind if I helped out with the award design? :D Thanks, Sango123 (talk) 22:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there....

Congratulations, Essjay/Archives/20! Your user page has been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Award! Five judges will look over your user page and award it 1-10 points in four categories:

  • Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
  • Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
  • Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
  • General niceness: at the judges' discretion

But first, you must be chosen as a finalist. If your user page is chosen as one of the five finalists, you'll have the chance to win an award created just for having a great user page!

More information can be found on this page.

KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 19:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Award seems to be completed...

Hey Essjay, thanks again for helping out with this project and it's award, If you'd like to take a look this is what we have come up with thanks to you and Sango123 {{upawinner}}. Cheers KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome; I had actually made a few more changes, but oh well. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I thought you might have..May I see the changes you made? The award will not be given out for a few days, and some minor changes or adjustments might not hurt. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 22:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CCW page

Hey, Your Wikiness. I just noticed that the logo contest page was still in the WP space so I moved it to your userspace. I hope you don't mind. -- Psy guy Talk 18:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem; it's left over from when it was active. Essjay Talk • Contact 21:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)



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