| 7-5-2006 20:23 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Everyone ready? |
| 7-5-2006 20:23 |
pschemp |
go |
| 7-5-2006 20:23 |
Titoxd |
go |
| 7-5-2006 20:23 |
JoanneB |
aye |
| 7-5-2006 20:23 |
Celestianpower |
Let us begin |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
freakofnurture |
ok |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
Celestianpower |
First item on the agenda is to welcome pschemp and freakofnurture to the AC |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
pschemp |
thanks |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
Celestianpower |
And congratulate Titoxd on his re-election |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
pschemp |
congrats |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
Celestianpower |
Right, down to business |
| 7-5-2006 20:24 |
Titoxd |
:) |
| 7-5-2006 20:25 |
Celestianpower |
First thing I'd like to bring up is the Code Of Conduct (WP:ESP/CC) |
| 7-5-2006 20:25 |
Celestianpower |
Where are wre on that? It seems to have stalled |
| 7-5-2006 20:25 |
Celestianpower |
*we |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Is everyone still in agreement that in principle, it's a good idea? |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
JoanneB |
aye |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
Titoxd |
yes, although there were some concerns about the overly broad wording |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
pschemp |
I don't like its current form |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
JoanneB |
hi Linuxerist, welcome, but this is a closed meeting |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
Celestianpower |
Linuxerist: Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
Linuxerist |
oh |
| 7-5-2006 20:26 |
freakofnurture |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 20:27 |
ILovePlankton |
am I allowwed to be here? |
| 7-5-2006 20:27 |
JoanneB |
erm, sorry, no |
| 7-5-2006 20:27 |
Titoxd |
to be blunt, no |
| 7-5-2006 20:27 |
JoanneB |
you're welcome to read the logs afterwards though :) |
| 7-5-2006 20:27 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 20:27 |
Celestianpower |
Where were we? |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
freakofnurture |
code of conduct |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
pschemp |
I have moral issues with Esperanza being a policeman. I'd rather we word things so users have to police them selves, but this is an issue with few obvious answers. |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
JoanneB |
pschemp: yeah, I see what you mean |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
freakofnurture |
who considers esperanza to be policemen? |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: But you are in agreement that, in principle, it's a good idea? |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
Titoxd |
we're not going to become the Arbitration Committee, but we do need some sort of way of showing that we do not condone incivility, etc |
| 7-5-2006 20:28 |
pschemp |
it will if we make the code of conduct more restrictive |
| 7-5-2006 20:29 |
freakofnurture |
a number of users feel that i'm in violation of it anyway |
| 7-5-2006 20:29 |
pschemp |
we already say we don |
| 7-5-2006 20:29 |
pschemp |
t condone it |
| 7-5-2006 20:29 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 20:30 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: How do you propose we change it? |
| 7-5-2006 20:30 |
Titoxd |
well, it's all talk and no action, I'd say that we kick out incivil editors from Esperanza |
| 7-5-2006 20:30 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 20:30 |
Celestianpower |
One official warning then a boot? |
| 7-5-2006 20:30 |
pschemp |
not sure. I think people need to agree to police themselves when they join, but I see a lippery slope and everyone kicked eventually because people are human and make mistakes |
| 7-5-2006 20:31 |
pschemp |
CP, you are in violation of it as it is. |
| 7-5-2006 20:31 |
Titoxd |
several users are incivil because they are doing things "in Esperanza's name" |
| 7-5-2006 20:31 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: I have done, I agree |
| 7-5-2006 20:31 |
pschemp |
I'm sorry, but the evidnce is all over. its too restrictive. no one will be left |
| 7-5-2006 20:31 |
freakofnurture |
pschemp, that would leave esperanza with a core nucleus of people who don't actually edit |
| 7-5-2006 20:31 |
Celestianpower |
At this point, I would have been given an official warning |
| 7-5-2006 20:32 |
pschemp |
freak, we can't police everyone who is a member. it is a waste of time. |
| 7-5-2006 20:32 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: So how do you propose we change it? |
| 7-5-2006 20:32 |
freakofnurture |
interestingly enough though, that is the stereotype that some people hold even now |
| 7-5-2006 20:32 |
pschemp |
freak, the convo is fractured, what sterotype? |
| 7-5-2006 20:32 |
freakofnurture |
"core nucleus of people who don't actually edit" |
| 7-5-2006 20:32 |
pschemp |
CP, i said it up there. have people agree to police themselves |
| 7-5-2006 20:33 |
Titoxd |
I'm not sure that is sufficient |
| 7-5-2006 20:33 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: Yes, but how? As in, how would you change it? |
| 7-5-2006 20:33 |
JoanneB |
why not talk to them though, instead of all this official warning stuff? |
| 7-5-2006 20:33 |
pschemp |
well I see thins turning into a witch hunt. |
| 7-5-2006 20:34 |
pschemp |
its counterproductive, and not in the spirit of the organization |
| 7-5-2006 20:34 |
freakofnurture |
{{mfd}} |
| 7-5-2006 20:34 |
pschemp |
if they agree to police themselves, then don't do it, we are not liable for thier actions |
| 7-5-2006 20:34 |
pschemp |
people aren't perfect, they make mistakes |
| 7-5-2006 20:34 |
Celestianpower |
Yes, but how else do you solve the issue of constantly uncivil editors being members? It damages our reputation and harms our gfoals |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
JoanneB |
Celestianpower: perhaps exactly by what pschemp says |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
pschemp |
pschemp> if they agree to police themselves, then don't do it, we are not liable for thier actions |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
pschemp |
we need a disclaimer |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
Titoxd |
pschemp: but we *are* liable for their actions in everyone's eyes |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
JoanneB |
emphasize that we're not perfect, that you don't become perfect by becoming a member of Esperanza |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
pschemp |
that this an organization made of unperfect people |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
JoanneB |
that we do our best, but that each member is still an individual |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: I agree |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
pschemp |
we are trying to help, but we aren't perfect |
| 7-5-2006 20:35 |
freakofnurture |
their presence of such users doesn't harm the organization's reputation |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
freakofnurture |
the organization's defense of said users does, however |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
Titoxd |
that works for occasional incivility, but that doesn't deal with constantly uncivil editors |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
Celestianpower |
freakofnurture: Try talking to people in #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en-admins and see if you still have that opinion :P |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
pschemp |
well those people tend to get banned by arbcom, and the charter already covers that |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
freakofnurture |
disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: They don't |
| 7-5-2006 20:36 |
freakofnurture |
i agree with pschemp |
| 7-5-2006 20:37 |
pschemp |
if they are found gulity by arbcom of inciviility, then there is no question, and WE didn't make that decision |
| 7-5-2006 20:37 |
pschemp |
but a disclaimer covers all of that |
| 7-5-2006 20:37 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: Yes, but very, very few editor do so - and there are many, many more uncivil Wikipeidans than that |
| 7-5-2006 20:37 |
Celestianpower |
*constantly |
| 7-5-2006 20:37 |
pschemp |
CP, i was adress Titoxd's concern about the really bad ones |
| 7-5-2006 20:38 |
pschemp |
*addressing |
| 7-5-2006 20:38 |
pschemp |
the disclaimer and self policing covers the rest |
| 7-5-2006 20:38 |
JoanneB |
pschemp: if we'd change the wording though, would the code of conduct work for the self policing? |
| 7-5-2006 20:38 |
pschemp |
i think it could, and with very minor changes |
| 7-5-2006 20:39 |
Celestianpower |
I disagree |
| 7-5-2006 20:39 |
Titoxd |
I sure want to do something stronger about editors who say, "You are an {{expletive}} because you don't follow Esperanza's ideas, and I do!" |
| 7-5-2006 20:40 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: Yes, that's my point |
| 7-5-2006 20:40 |
Celestianpower |
Stuff like that never goes to arbcom |
| 7-5-2006 20:40 |
Celestianpower |
In fact, incivility rarely goes to arbcom |
| 7-5-2006 20:40 |
Titoxd |
IMO, incivility that is done through Esperanza's name is grounds for removing membership |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
freakofnurture |
ok... well if we are going to have a code of conduct |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
pschemp |
will not be the judge and jury |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
freakofnurture |
and specifically prohibit certain types of speech |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
JoanneB |
I think, we wanted to solve two problems with the CoC. People acting wrongly within the Esperanza stuff (stalking or harrassment on IRC, for instance) and people behaving wrongly *in name of esperanza* outside |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: I've no doubt that'll be down to me :P |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
freakofnurture |
things like "i'm a better member because i'm more civil than you" should be at the top of the list |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
pschemp |
yes, two different issue |
| 7-5-2006 20:41 |
pschemp |
just o muddy the waters... |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
Titoxd |
mostly the CoC would deal with the two issues JoanneB brought up above |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
pschemp |
pschemp> if they agree to police themselves, then don't do it, we are not liable for thier actions |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
JoanneB |
the first could be solved with the self policing and, if nescessary, a conversation with someone, and if the problems continue, dismembership |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
pschemp |
damn ig nore that |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
JoanneB |
the second, the disclaimer would solve |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
freakofnurture |
thoughts... |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
Celestianpower |
JoanneB: Yes, that sounds good |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
pschemp |
I'd like to propose that posting of EA channel logs on wikipedia be prohibited. it does more harm than good |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:42 |
JoanneB |
agreed |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
JoanneB |
especially as it is a common rule on WP anyways |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
Celestianpower |
But if you're not going to de-member them, pschemp, what are you going to do? |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
Titoxd |
any channel log should be prohibited, unless it has the explicit authorization of the logged users |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
Titoxd |
of *all* the log users |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
pschemp |
no, even then it should be prohibited |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
pschemp |
it is never productive |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: But how are we going to log this then? |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
freakofnurture |
pschemp, be sure to point out that posting the log in the same breath as asking permission... |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
Celestianpower |
This is productive logging |
| 7-5-2006 20:43 |
freakofnurture |
"hey, can i use this:.." |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
freakofnurture |
is just as perverse |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
JoanneB |
Celestianpower: this is different |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
pschemp |
a bucnh of users could get together and agree to a log to gang up on someione else |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
JoanneB |
this is not the esperanza channel |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
pschemp |
exactly |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
Celestianpower |
JoanneB: I see |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: Sorry - got confuced about what you said then |
| 7-5-2006 20:44 |
Celestianpower |
*confused |
| 7-5-2006 20:45 |
Celestianpower |
!AC So, are we close to a solution? |
| 7-5-2006 20:45 |
Titoxd |
doubt so |
| 7-5-2006 20:45 |
freakofnurture |
doubtful indeed |
| 7-5-2006 20:45 |
Celestianpower |
Hmm |
| 7-5-2006 20:45 |
pschemp |
no, but i think we can make a decision on the log thing, so lets do that |
| 7-5-2006 20:45 |
freakofnurture |
maybe if we completely rewrite it |
| 7-5-2006 20:46 |
freakofnurture |
CoC 2.0b |
| 7-5-2006 20:46 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 20:46 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:46 |
freakofnurture |
lol, pronounce that abbreviation |
| 7-5-2006 20:46 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Are we all in agreement that any logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are prohibitted and any doing so is to be responded with a ban from the channel? |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
freakofnurture |
YES |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
freakofnurture |
and actually enforce it |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
pschemp |
you need to add a notice like : [#wikipedia-en-admins] This is a private channel. Please do not repost IRC logs, etc. without permission. |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
Titoxd |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
Celestianpower |
But without the "without permission" bit |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
Celestianpower |
:P |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
Celestianpower |
Right, good |
| 7-5-2006 20:47 |
JoanneB |
exactly |
| 7-5-2006 20:48 |
pschemp |
and it is in force from now on, previous incidents are excepted. (just to be clear) |
| 7-5-2006 20:49 |
Celestianpower |
Right, back to the broader issue of the CoC |
| 7-5-2006 20:51 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Are we in agreement of adopting a disclaimer? |
| 7-5-2006 20:51 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:51 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:51 |
Titoxd |
just a disclaimer? |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
JoanneB |
no |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: No, just for starters |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
pschemp |
yes, i think we can work on that first. |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
Celestianpower |
freakofnurture? |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
Titoxd |
that seems reasonable, so yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
freakofnurture |
disclaimer yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
Celestianpower |
About this self-policing |
| 7-5-2006 20:52 |
pschemp |
Esperanza is a communty of people. People are not perfect. while everyone who joins is asked to abide by the ideals of the organization, in reality, people will make mistakes. |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
pschemp |
(me is trying to write a dsclclaimer here |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
pschemp |
modify or add please |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
Titoxd |
capitalize "while", but yes ;) |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: We cansort that out later |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
Celestianpower |
*can sort |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
pschemp |
no, we need to see it to agree to it |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: We do? |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
Celestianpower |
Something like that will be fine |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
pschemp |
yes, do it now, get it done with. |
| 7-5-2006 20:53 |
pschemp |
why wait? |
| 7-5-2006 20:54 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: freakofnurture has a time limit :P |
| 7-5-2006 20:54 |
pschemp |
its simple, its easy, fix it. |
| 7-5-2006 20:54 |
freakofnurture |
it would most likely be more difficult to change something that's live |
| 7-5-2006 20:55 |
Celestianpower |
How about "Esperanza is a communty of people. People are not perfect. While everyone who joins has agreed to abide by the ideals of the organization, in reality, people will make mistakes." |
| 7-5-2006 20:55 |
JoanneB |
Esperanza is a communty of people. People are not perfect. while everyone who joins is asked to abide by the ideals of the organization, in reality, people will make mistakes. If any Esperanza member makes a mistake, please let them know like you would any other user. |
| 7-5-2006 20:55 |
pschemp |
(tack this on the end)Please be understanding and do your best to add hope. |
| 7-5-2006 20:55 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:55 |
JoanneB |
ooh nice |
| 7-5-2006 20:56 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 20:56 |
pschemp |
Esperanza is a communty of people. People are not perfect. while everyone who joins is asked to abide by the ideals of the organization, in reality, people will make mistakes. If any Esperanza member makes a mistake, please let them know like you would any other user. Be understanding and do your best to add hope. |
| 7-5-2006 20:56 |
pschemp |
and capitalize While. :) |
| 7-5-2006 20:56 |
pschemp |
how's that? |
| 7-5-2006 20:56 |
Celestianpower |
I think "has agreed" is better |
| 7-5-2006 20:56 |
Celestianpower |
Since we're planning to have them publicly agree |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
pschemp |
well right now they haven't agreed yet |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
Celestianpower |
But they will do |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
pschemp |
and we are asking them to do this |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
Titoxd |
well, part of the deal is that they have to agree to the CoC, so I'm with CP here |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
freakofnurture |
i'm not familiar with the phrase "add hope" |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
pschemp |
no, they need to agree to TRY to follow it. |
| 7-5-2006 20:57 |
pschemp |
the point is we all will fail |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
Celestianpower |
is asked => "has agree to try to"? |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
Celestianpower |
*agreed |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
Titoxd |
has agreed to try to |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
pschemp |
so we have been asked, we will will try to do our best. |
| 7-5-2006 20:58 |
Titoxd |
and we agree that we will try to do our best |
| 7-5-2006 20:59 |
pschemp |
then you need to say, has agreed to try, but i think that's less elegant. however, I'll deal |
| 7-5-2006 20:59 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: The point is, "has agreed to try to" is more person-centred - it's /his/ responsibility to abide by it, since he's publically declared that he will |
| 7-5-2006 20:59 |
Celestianpower |
Okay |
| 7-5-2006 21:00 |
Celestianpower |
So |
| 7-5-2006 21:00 |
pschemp |
Esperanza is a communty of people. People are not perfect. while everyone who joins has agreed to try to abide by the ideals of the organization, in reality, people will make mistakes. If any Esperanza member makes a mistake, please let them know like you would any other user. Be understanding and do your best to add hope. |
| 7-5-2006 21:00 |
pschemp |
and the WHILE, ack. :) |
| 7-5-2006 21:00 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Are we all agreed with that wording, with the "w" on while capitalised and "the ideals of the organisation" linked? |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
freakofnurture |
as long as you spell capitalize with a z |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
pschemp |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
freakofnurture |
and organization |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd? JoanneB? |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
pschemp |
organization already has a z :) |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
Titoxd |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:01 |
Celestianpower |
Good |
| 7-5-2006 21:02 |
Celestianpower |
So |
| 7-5-2006 21:02 |
Celestianpower |
Where are we? |
| 7-5-2006 21:02 |
pschemp |
ok cool. 2 down, one crazy one to go |
| 7-5-2006 21:02 |
Celestianpower |
We have a disclaimer, we've banned logs |
| 7-5-2006 21:02 |
pschemp |
goes to read the COC in its current form |
| 7-5-2006 21:02 |
Celestianpower |
Could a solution be to re-word it to: |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
Celestianpower |
As a Wikipedian and Esperanzian, I agree to try to: |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
Celestianpower |
Yada, yada, yada |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
freakofnurture |
you have to accept that not everyone will love the CoC |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
pschemp |
does not love it |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
Celestianpower |
No |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
Celestianpower |
It's a rought first draft |
| 7-5-2006 21:03 |
pschemp |
cannot find the blsted thing |
| 7-5-2006 21:04 |
Celestianpower |
WP:ESP/CC |
| 7-5-2006 21:04 |
pschemp |
thanks |
| 7-5-2006 21:05 |
pschemp |
um. ok i think we need to remove the part about the IRC channel. like, everyone I know except Joanne has violated that in the channel. the channel needs to be a more free place than the wiki |
| 7-5-2006 21:05 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
pschemp |
if rule are to be set for that, they need to be separate from the CoC |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
freakofnurture |
which part |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
pschemp |
keep the CoC on wiki |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
pschemp |
This Code of Conduct applies to all Esperanzians, both on Wikipedia and the IRC channel; the Administrator General and Advisory Council are explicitly included. |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
pschemp |
members to uphold the following rules at all times on both Wikipedia itself and the Esperanza IRC channel. |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
pschemp |
those parts |
| 7-5-2006 21:06 |
JoanneB |
there will need to be separate guidelines for the channels then |
| 7-5-2006 21:07 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:07 |
pschemp |
i agree we need guidelines, but they shouldnt be lumped together |
| 7-5-2006 21:07 |
pschemp |
the channel should be more free. |
| 7-5-2006 21:07 |
Titoxd |
I'd say keep the IRC line in until we draft IRC guidelines |
| 7-5-2006 21:08 |
Celestianpower |
Refresh |
| 7-5-2006 21:08 |
pschemp |
I can't approve the COC if that is in there, so remove it and place proposed IRC guidlines somewhere else |
| 7-5-2006 21:08 |
pschemp |
the COC is a proposal right now anyway, so why not get rid? |
| 7-5-2006 21:09 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:09 |
Celestianpower |
Removed |
| 7-5-2006 21:09 |
Celestianpower |
Please refresh |
| 7-5-2006 21:09 |
freakofnurture |
do we have any idea of how to enforce the CoC |
| 7-5-2006 21:09 |
JoanneB |
we'll need to work on the guidelines for IRC soon then, since the incidents that made me propose the whole thing happened on IRC |
| 7-5-2006 21:10 |
freakofnurture |
i mean as it relates to on-site |
| 7-5-2006 21:10 |
pschemp |
yes, thats fine |
| 7-5-2006 21:10 |
pschemp |
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AEsperanza%2FCode_of_Conduct&diff=52019636&oldid=52019365 |
| 7-5-2006 21:10 |
Celestianpower |
JoanneB: yeah, fine |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
JoanneB |
freakofnurture: that's the big issue, I think we'll have to ask everyone to 'sign' it (renew their membership) or something - and then the self policing mechanism should work - rather than us chasing everyone around |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
pschemp |
yes. we will have to have everyone re-join under the new terms |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
freakofnurture |
like if somebody's posting logs, we can give them a 24-hour COC-BLOCK |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
Titoxd |
JoanneB: it was previously agreed that everyone had to reconfirm their membership |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
freakofnurture |
or not? |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
Celestianpower |
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Esperanza/Code_of_Conduct&diff=0 |
| 7-5-2006 21:11 |
JoanneB |
Titoxd: ok, I didn't remember if we had agreed on that, but that'd be fine with me |
| 7-5-2006 21:12 |
pschemp |
we will have to have everyone re-join under the new terms anyway |
| 7-5-2006 21:12 |
JoanneB |
freakofnurture: I don't know about stuff like that - for posting logs, it'd be pretty clear cut, but for the other parts of the CoC it would be much, much more difficult |
| 7-5-2006 21:12 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:12 |
JoanneB |
I guess we'll have to keep doing that on a case by case basis, like we do now |
| 7-5-2006 21:12 |
pschemp |
logs, I'm ok with though |
| 7-5-2006 21:13 |
JoanneB |
we have banned people from the channel before, we have removed their memberships (haven't we?) - I'm not sure if we should perform any admin actions though |
| 7-5-2006 21:13 |
pschemp |
hmm... |
| 7-5-2006 21:13 |
JoanneB |
because that's quite a slippery slope |
| 7-5-2006 21:13 |
Titoxd |
I'm not sure we can use any admin actions under WP policy |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
JoanneB |
Titoxd: exactly |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
pschemp |
since not everyone in EA is an admin, I don't think that will fly |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
Titoxd |
logs perhaps, but that would be something that would need to be discussed at #wikipedia, not here |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
pschemp |
but I wouldn't heistate to delete the revision with the log in it |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
pschemp |
not block though |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
JoanneB |
Titoxd: exactly, that would fall under normal policy and normal ways to deal with that |
| 7-5-2006 21:14 |
Celestianpower |
# Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel is explicitly banned. Doing so is grounds for an immediate ban from that channel. |
| 7-5-2006 21:15 |
Celestianpower |
Is my revision ok? |
| 7-5-2006 21:15 |
Celestianpower |
# Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel is explicitly banned. Doing so is grounds for an immediate ban from that channel. |
| 7-5-2006 21:16 |
pschemp |
i don't get why that links to meta...? |
| 7-5-2006 21:16 |
Celestianpower |
!AC ? |
| 7-5-2006 21:16 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: That's the relevant policy |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
pschemp |
where does that note go? |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
freakofnurture |
m: = meta: |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
JoanneB |
where would you post that, CP? |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
pschemp |
on the channel subject? |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
pschemp |
and where on Esperanza/ |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
Celestianpower |
No, on the Code of Conduct |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
Titoxd |
on the subject and the CoC? |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
Titoxd |
(for now) |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
pschemp |
oh ok |
| 7-5-2006 21:17 |
freakofnurture |
so nothing else would really be worthy of a CoC-block then |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
Celestianpower |
Something else can go in the topic |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
pschemp |
it needs to be there so people in the channel can see it though |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
Titoxd |
I'm not sure anything would be worthy of a CoC block, if it isn't covered in the blocking policy already |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
JoanneB |
freakofnurture: I don't think there should be CoC blocks |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
JoanneB |
or what Titoxd said |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
Celestianpower |
I agree |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
JoanneB |
(again :) ) |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
Celestianpower |
Just bans from the channel |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
freakofnurture |
well blocking policy says nothing of posting logs either does it? |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
Celestianpower |
And deletion of revisions |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
pschemp |
has no idea how to make a message pop up when you sign on, but we should do it. |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: Good idea |
| 7-5-2006 21:18 |
pschemp |
freakofnurture: no. so we shouldn't do it. |
| 7-5-2006 21:19 |
freakofnurture |
or would that be covered under general disruption i guess |
| 7-5-2006 21:19 |
Celestianpower |
So, how is it looking now? |
| 7-5-2006 21:19 |
Celestianpower |
Better? |
| 7-5-2006 21:19 |
pschemp |
ok, I think we should add the disclaimer, the IRC log thing to the COC and then open the latest revisions of the COC to comment |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
Celestianpower |
Add the disclaimer |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
pschemp |
and add the log notice to the channel message |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
Titoxd |
/msg chanserv help set entrymsg |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
pschemp |
disclaimer on the front page? |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
pschemp |
or the top of the charter? |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
JoanneB |
front page, I think |
| 7-5-2006 21:20 |
pschemp |
agrees |
| 7-5-2006 21:21 |
Celestianpower |
And charter |
| 7-5-2006 21:21 |
Celestianpower |
Both |
| 7-5-2006 21:21 |
Celestianpower |
"Esperanza is a communty of people. People are not perfect. While everyone who joins has agreed to try to abide by these ideals, in reality, people will make mistakes. If any Esperanza member makes a mistake, please let them know like you would any other user. Be understanding and do your best to add hope." |
| 7-5-2006 21:21 |
Celestianpower |
In the intro |
| 7-5-2006 21:21 |
pschemp |
as long as it isn't an addendum to the charter, which needs a membership vote. make sure it is separtae |
| 7-5-2006 21:22 |
Celestianpower |
Yes, it is |
| 7-5-2006 21:22 |
Celestianpower |
Refresh and see |
| 7-5-2006 21:22 |
freakofnurture |
takes a quick shower |
| 7-5-2006 21:22 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:23 |
Celestianpower |
So, how are we doing? |
| 7-5-2006 21:23 |
pschemp |
ok so what next with COC? open for discusiion on latest revision? then re-join membership? |
| 7-5-2006 21:23 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:23 |
JoanneB |
yeah |
| 7-5-2006 21:23 |
Celestianpower |
!AC All in agreement with more discussion then a re-join of membership so long as it garners consensus? |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
pschemp |
all in favor...say aye! |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
pschemp |
:) |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
Celestianpower |
aye |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
pschemp |
read Robert's rule of order :) |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
pschemp |
*rules |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
JoanneB |
aye |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
pschemp |
aye |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd? |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
pschemp |
freakofnurture: shout from the shower! |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:24 |
Titoxd |
I'm still wondering about the cases that merit removal of membership |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
Titoxd |
does this vote close all discussion today about the CoC? |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: Depends |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
pschemp |
no it doesn;t |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
JoanneB |
I really think that will be a case-by-case basis thing again, Titoxd |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
pschemp |
its opens it to a new round of discussion on the latest revisions we just did |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
pschemp |
oooh |
| 7-5-2006 21:25 |
Titoxd |
yes with that one |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Celestianpower |
Good |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
pschemp |
ok. |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Celestianpower |
Right, moving on? |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
pschemp |
freakofnurture is too wet to answer |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Titoxd |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Celestianpower |
I think I'm out of issues |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Celestianpower |
Oh no, wait |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
Titoxd |
just do it at the main Esperanza talk page, so everyone sees it |
| 7-5-2006 21:26 |
pschemp |
Titoxd: yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:27 |
Celestianpower |
I was talkingt o ILovePlankton yesterday and he brought up the issue of argumentativeness |
| 7-5-2006 21:27 |
Celestianpower |
We saw the discussions getting heated in the Nathan issue, and the Karmafist one |
| 7-5-2006 21:27 |
Celestianpower |
Is there anything we can do to calm this? |
| 7-5-2006 21:27 |
pschemp |
I don't think so. |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
Celestianpower |
Hmmm |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
JoanneB |
I think the most important thing we can do as AC and admin gen, is do everything not to make things worse |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
JoanneB |
don't fuel the arguments |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
Titoxd |
I think that's all we can do |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
Celestianpower |
JoanneB: As I need to learn :P |
| 7-5-2006 21:28 |
Celestianpower |
Well, sometimes |
| 7-5-2006 21:29 |
Celestianpower |
The cmment in IRC was the only misdemeanour I've made for a while |
| 7-5-2006 21:29 |
Celestianpower |
*comment |
| 7-5-2006 21:29 |
pschemp |
oh hey, the policy here should answer freakofnurture's question, you can ban and delete, but nothing is said of blocking, so i think that's a no-no. : Violaters will be subject to a ban from all Wikimedia channels and deletion of the logs.) |
| 7-5-2006 21:29 |
JoanneB |
ah, ok, that settles that then |
| 7-5-2006 21:29 |
pschemp |
(from meta) sorry to change the subject |
| 7-5-2006 21:29 |
Celestianpower |
Okay |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Celestianpower |
Changed |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
pschemp |
anything else the AC needs to discuss? |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Celestianpower |
Any other business? |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
pschemp |
can't think of any |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Any other business? |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
JoanneB |
CP: you brought up the number of elections earlier |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Titoxd |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Celestianpower |
Oh yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:30 |
Celestianpower |
But teas on the table |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
Celestianpower |
:P |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
Celestianpower |
We'll have to pause :( |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
Titoxd |
I had to have breakfast here, so no :P |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
Celestianpower |
My parents won't allow me not to |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
JoanneB |
:P |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
Celestianpower |
:( |
| 7-5-2006 21:31 |
Celestianpower |
will be back as soon as possible |
| 7-5-2006 21:32 |
pschemp |
what about the number of elections? |
| 7-5-2006 21:32 |
JoanneB |
well, while CP is away (guess we can't get around that) I'll fill you in: there are elections every two months now, which might be a bit much, for the amount of energy and attention they demand |
| 7-5-2006 21:32 |
freakofnurture |
searches for socks and underwear |
| 7-5-2006 21:33 |
freakofnurture |
semi-back, but only for a few minutes |
| 7-5-2006 21:33 |
freakofnurture |
if it's important, say it now |
| 7-5-2006 21:33 |
JoanneB |
a solution would be hard to find though, I think - we don't want to make the terms too long, because a few months is already a pretty long time in wikiterms |
| 7-5-2006 21:33 |
JoanneB |
on the other hand, you do want some continuity |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
pschemp> ok so what next with COC? open for discusiion on latest revision? then re-join membership? |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
<Celestianpower> Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
JoanneB |
I guess that was the issue, I'm not sure if I remember all that CP said about it earlier - he'll have to fill it in later |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
<JoanneB> yeah |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
<Celestianpower> !AC All in agreement with more discussion then a re-join of membership so long as it garners consensus? |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
<Celestianpower> Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
that's for you freak |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
agree or disagree |
| 7-5-2006 21:34 |
pschemp |
hmmm |
| 7-5-2006 21:35 |
freakofnurture |
yeah |
| 7-5-2006 21:35 |
freakofnurture |
make sure everybody who can't adapt has the chance to leave |
| 7-5-2006 21:35 |
freakofnurture |
and everybody who's on the list, even though they've quit, will also be removed |
| 7-5-2006 21:36 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:36 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:37 |
pschemp |
i don't have good answer for the elctions. in the light of a lack of solution, i say leave it. or maybe extend it to 3 months? that makes it 4 times a year? |
| 7-5-2006 21:37 |
JoanneB |
yes, that would be my compromise as well |
| 7-5-2006 21:37 |
away |
bye |
| 7-5-2006 21:37 |
JoanneB |
away |
| 7-5-2006 21:38 |
Celestianpower |
Back |
| 7-5-2006 21:38 |
pschemp |
read up |
| 7-5-2006 21:38 |
Celestianpower |
Have done |
| 7-5-2006 21:38 |
Celestianpower |
Sounds good to me |
| 7-5-2006 21:38 |
Celestianpower |
4 elections per year |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
Celestianpower |
Better than it is with 6 |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
Titoxd |
it's a charter change, though |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
pschemp |
yes, which means a whole membership vote |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
Celestianpower |
Yes, community consensus would need ot begarnered |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
JoanneB |
yeah, it does |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
Celestianpower |
A vote? |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
pschemp |
so write it up and have a discussion/vote |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
pschemp |
whatever the charter calls for |
| 7-5-2006 21:39 |
Celestianpower |
I thought we'd agreed not to vote on ch\arter changes |
| 7-5-2006 21:40 |
pschemp |
i know I'm just using short words |
| 7-5-2006 21:40 |
pschemp |
its a discussion |
| 7-5-2006 21:40 |
Celestianpower |
Okay |
| 7-5-2006 21:40 |
JoanneB |
Celestianpower: yes, but since it says in the charter that we do, we'd need one last referendum to change that |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
Celestianpower |
JoanneB: I guess so |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
JoanneB |
we can't take it out of the charter because we decide to :) |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
pschemp |
yup |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
Titoxd |
since I can see this change causing a bit of controversy, I'd say a vote is needed |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
Celestianpower |
!AC We agreed that we should have a referendum about whether to remove the referendums from the charter? |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
pschemp |
which change? the 3 moth thing? |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
Celestianpower |
Aye |
| 7-5-2006 21:41 |
pschemp |
huh? I don't understnad |
| 7-5-2006 21:42 |
Celestianpower |
As in, make it so that a change requires consensus, not a vote |
| 7-5-2006 21:42 |
pschemp |
reads the charter |
| 7-5-2006 21:43 |
Celestianpower |
That whole last section would need a rewrite |
| 7-5-2006 21:44 |
pschemp |
we need to vote on that change though, I agree with Titoxd |
| 7-5-2006 21:44 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:44 |
pschemp |
write it up if you wish |
| 7-5-2006 21:44 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Are we agreed to hold a vote as to whether to rewrite the whole last section of the charter to remove the need for referenda? |
| 7-5-2006 21:44 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:44 |
Celestianpower |
Yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
pschemp |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
Titoxd |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
pschemp |
voting is evil but neccessary here |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
Celestianpower |
Good |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
Celestianpower |
Do I need to do that or will someone else? |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
pschemp |
will not :) |
| 7-5-2006 21:45 |
Titoxd |
how about we hold the two elections at the same time (referenda + duration change) |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Titoxd |
looks at the boss |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
pschemp |
might as well. |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
JoanneB |
yes |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: Nah - that would make more votes |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Celestianpower |
And make it more complicated |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Celestianpower |
And time consuming |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
JoanneB |
it would save time |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
pschemp |
why? |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
JoanneB |
not cost :) |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Celestianpower |
Okay then |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Celestianpower |
I guess I'm outnumberefd |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
pschemp |
two different issues, separate votes, just post at the same time |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
pschemp |
easier |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Titoxd |
yeah |
| 7-5-2006 21:46 |
Celestianpower |
*outnumbered |
| 7-5-2006 21:47 |
Celestianpower |
Final issue from me |
| 7-5-2006 21:47 |
Celestianpower |
Newsletter |
| 7-5-2006 21:47 |
Celestianpower |
Featured programs this month? |
| 7-5-2006 21:47 |
Titoxd |
admin coaching, to get more coaches |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
Titoxd |
which reminds me to bring up that issue |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
Celestianpower |
Okay |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
Titoxd |
I made changes to the program, implementing a few requirements from coachees |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
pschemp |
has to go uload the washer |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
pschemp |
brb |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
Celestianpower |
lol |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
pschemp |
*unload |
| 7-5-2006 21:48 |
Celestianpower |
Other featured program? |
| 7-5-2006 21:49 |
Titoxd |
I've discussed it on the Esperanza talk page, and the reaction has been mostly favorable, so just wanting final aproval before clearing out everything there |
| 7-5-2006 21:49 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: Can we deal with that after deciding on the newsletter |
| 7-5-2006 21:49 |
Celestianpower |
? |
| 7-5-2006 21:49 |
JoanneB |
Titoxd: sounds good |
| 7-5-2006 21:49 |
Titoxd |
ok |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Celestianpower |
Stressbusters? |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Celestianpower |
Will that do? |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Titoxd |
sure |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Celestianpower |
Okay |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: Your issue |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Titoxd |
changes to admin coaching |
| 7-5-2006 21:50 |
Titoxd |
let me dig the link |
| 7-5-2006 21:51 |
JoanneB |
CP: yes, good idea |
| 7-5-2006 21:51 |
Titoxd |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Esperanza#More_admin_coaching |
| 7-5-2006 21:52 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: looks good to me |
| 7-5-2006 21:53 |
Titoxd |
!AC - so, does anyone object to the changes? |
| 7-5-2006 21:53 |
Celestianpower |
No |
| 7-5-2006 21:53 |
JoanneB |
no |
| 7-5-2006 21:54 |
Celestianpower |
Good |
| 7-5-2006 21:54 |
pschemp |
no |
| 7-5-2006 21:54 |
Celestianpower |
Anything else? |
| 7-5-2006 21:54 |
Celestianpower |
!AC Any other business |
| 7-5-2006 21:54 |
Celestianpower |
? |
| 7-5-2006 21:54 |
Titoxd |
bots? |
| 7-5-2006 21:55 |
JoanneB |
what about them? |
| 7-5-2006 21:55 |
pschemp |
one social bot allowed |
| 7-5-2006 21:55 |
Celestianpower |
Yes, we decided that |
| 7-5-2006 21:55 |
Titoxd |
ok |
| 7-5-2006 21:56 |
Celestianpower |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ESP/ACM4 |
| 7-5-2006 21:56 |
Celestianpower |
Anyone else? |
| 7-5-2006 21:56 |
pschemp |
huh? |
| 7-5-2006 21:56 |
Titoxd |
who is spamming? |
| 7-5-2006 21:56 |
Celestianpower |
I'm not |
| 7-5-2006 21:56 |
Celestianpower |
Huh? |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
Titoxd |
the newsletter |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
Celestianpower |
is now confused |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
pschemp |
what is that link for? |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
JoanneB |
I think that would be Misza again, Titoxd |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
Celestianpower |
Titoxd: MiszaBot |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
Titoxd |
ok |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
Celestianpower |
pschemp: The decision on social bots |
| 7-5-2006 21:57 |
pschemp |
oooh. ok. |
| 7-5-2006 21:58 |
Celestianpower |
!AC So, can I call this meeting closed? |
| 7-5-2006 21:58 |
JoanneB |
no other issues from me, just how to prevent the thing with Nathan from happening again - but other than what we already talked about, there isn't much we can do |
| 7-5-2006 21:58 |
pschemp |
no |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
pschemp |
{{socloseit}} |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
pschemp |
") |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
JoanneB |
indeed |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
pschemp |
:) |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
pschemp |
:") |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
Celestianpower |
Right |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
pschemp |
is just playing now |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
Celestianpower |
Meeting adjourned |
| 7-5-2006 21:59 |
Celestianpower |
Good meeting everyone |
