Talk:Ernst vom Rath
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[edit] References
This article is desperately in need of some references...! David L Rattigan 09:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
How come there is so little information on Ernst vom Rath in contrast to too much information when it comes to Herschel Grynszpan? Mistakes in the tiny entry (source unnamed) on vom Rath go unchanged..One correction submitted last month has been removed. (oldcitycat)
If you know more, write more. Adam 00:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Oldcitycat, you are going to have to learn how to edit Wikipedia articles if you don't want your edits removed, as I have just done.
- You can't put your opinions, explanations and comments in the article. You can't use the word "I" at all.
- You need to write a narrative of events, with sources if you have them included as footnotes (or just put them in brackets and let someone else footnote them).
- You need to wikify names (like this: Adolf Hitler) as you go. You need to use punctuation and paragraphs.
It might be better if you put the new information you have here on the Talk page and let someone else add it to the article. Adam 04:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
What's the point of putting it here if you won't accept it? Big deal correction..that he wasn't the son of a diplomat. What I would like to know is how come that frame that keeps coming back was the best someone could do for a non-wikified page! I wonder why the vom Rath family (I hope there are some left.) doesn't just put one in. (And let you wikify it..)oldcitycat 04:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Or did the vom Rath family hate Ernst so much that they can't be bothered?oldcitycat 04:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
If you write in Ernst vom Rath for Google you will get several versions of the first pre-article (or whatever it is) one of which refers the searcher to wikipedia. (Another one refers the searcher to Answer.com which also..refers back to wikipedia.) It's pretty strange. oldcitycat 19:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I notice that the German Wikipedia has a first link with better information on Ernst vom Rath than this Wikipedia link does. Why not put that link in here? Or have someone translate it? It's wikified..but not officially listed.oldcitycat 05:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
At least this correction should be acceptable. Look at e.g. Gerald Schwab's "The Day the Holocaust Began". Look it up in the index.oldcitycat 04:01, 15 April 2006
Inaccurate information on Ernst vom Rath is in the Herschel Grynszpan article in the English Wikipedia. The reference to a page in Gerald Szhwab's book is not correct for the information given in that article. Obviously anyone criticizing Adam Carr's 'writings' gets blocked and ignored. Not a plus for Wikipedia. oldcitycat 08:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The following set of statements appears in the Grynszpan article:"It seems clear that vom Rath, a 28-year-old bachelor who had used family connections to get himself posted to the pleasant surroundings of Paris, was homosexual. According to the rumours collected by Döscher, he was known as "Madame Ambassadeur" and "Notre Dame de Paris" among Parisian gay men. These rumours were collected by investigators hired by Moro-Giafferi, and used as the basis for a defense. After the war, it was revealed that vom Rath had been treated for rectal gonorrhoea at the Berlin Institute of Radiology. [7]" (the 7 is a reference to Schwab p.186-7.) What Schwab has there is this: "Those arguing that there existed a homosexual relationship between assassin and victim naturally also rely to a considerable extent on the statements of Herschel Grynszpan. Occasionally also cited is a notarized sworn deposition of August 25, 1963, by Dr. Sarella Pomeranz, who stated that she was a doctor in the Institute of Radiology of Drs. Halberstaedter and Tugendreich in Berlin from 1929 until it closed in 1939. According to Dr. Pomeranz, Ernst vom Rath was treated at the Institute for rectal gonorrhea which, according to the referring physician, had been contracted as a result of homosexual relations. According to Dr. Pomeranz, she carried out the shortwave radiation therapy which, at the time, was considered the most effective treatment for the illness. Dr. Pomeranz stated that she remembers Ernst vom Rath because of who he was -- not surprising when one considers that the Institute was operated by Jewish physicians, all of whom eventually emigrated. Grimm reported in his memorandum of April 23, 1942, that among the files confiscated in Paris was a letter from Tel Aviv dated august 27, 1939, from Dr. Schoroschowsky, a radiologist formerly from Berlin, who reported having heard essentially THE SAME RUMOR. Dr. Schoroschowsky did not identify his source, but THE INFORMATION APPARENTLY WAS BASED ON HEARSAY. Questions have been raised about the veracity of Dr. Pomeranz's deposition. Actually, it is largely irrelevant. The question here is not what vom Rath's sexual preferences were, but rather whether there existed a homoseuxal relationship between vom Rath and Grynszpan. This writer contends that the question can be answered with an emphatic "no"." (ends on p. 187 Schwab.) oldcitycat 08:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
