Talk:Erich Fromm
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I heard somewhere that Fromm was the originator of the idea of unconditional love. Does anyone know if that is true? --exmoron 21:12, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I looked it up and he was born on 23 March not 22.
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[edit] Is Fromm Really a Philosopher?
It can be admitted that Fromm is generally considered to be a philosopher. Still, how can he be properly called a philosopher when his writing displays such obvious logical mistakes? Rather than philosopher, Fromm is a typical bombastic intellectual lacking any sense of responsibility for what he is writing. How good psychologist he is I cannot judge; a man who makes such blatant mistakes does not deserve to be called a scientist either. Fromm's ideological setting can easily be traced to that of Hegel and Marx. Karl Popper's arguments against the two made in his Open Society and its Enemies easily apply to Fromm as well. Admittedly, Fromm tries to answer questions belonging to the domain of philosophy. Nevertheless, is anyone giving his opinions on philosophical questions a philosopher? Similarly, writer telling us that 2 + 2 = 5.78 is answering a mathematical question, which does not suffice to call him a mathematician.
<< It can be admitted that Fromm is generally considered to be a philosopher.>>
And as Wikipedians, it is our job to report that generally accepted fact. -- NetEsq 17:37, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
<< Still, how can he be properly called a philosopher when his writing displays such obvious logical mistakes? Rather than philosopher, Fromm is a typical bombastic intellectual lacking any sense of responsibility for what he is writing. >>
See Wikipedia:Talk Page - What is it used for?. Wikipedia is not a soap box. -- NetEsq 17:37, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone cite generally accepted examples of his logical errors?
What logical errors are you talking about be specific or else I dont see why I should agree with you or fee like you have an argument against him? Also whats up with the attitude?
"Popper's method is hardly applicable to any serious philosophical inquiry, anyways." - Dean Sayers
[edit] Fromm worked with Maccoby in the 60s?
I am writing this as a simple sticky note since i am bored today. I was looking for what the two guys (Erich and Michael Maccoby were working on and the article didn't mention it. I will probabily google it later once i get a chance. Maccoby later want to do funky research on how phb guys think and got the first break after meeting John Young a HP phb
[edit] Needs a serious reworking ....
This article is pretty bad. It has listed every single job that he ever did, and the analysis of his ideas solely concentrates on the religious aspect.
What about Freud, Reich and Marcuse? I will work on it tomorrow, this guy deserves it .....
Although Erich Fromm is marxist he doesn't call for revolution - because the violence isn't a correct way to resolve problems of the society. Soviet Union proves it, Iraq too. So, he was very true about the politics of both Soviet Union and USA. He stated that the way (approach) someone wants to achieve something (a goal) is an integrated part of the goal and I consider this as a very important thought. You can't teach someone to be humane by violence. His explanation of love as a respect and equality is also very much appealing to me. Before reading his works I didn't really understood what the love is, such as the 99% of the people in the world as well, unfortunately. The love is also the answer to the most of the society problems, although it seem to be utopical. Yet, he's tried with his books to improve this world. Shame that the world didn't hear him. As for logical mistakes and so on - well, the complexity of the world can't be squeezed in strict borders of logic. Even ancien chinese knew that, yet europeans still desperately trying it.
- The world can be explained by logic, that's how science works :-) And science has done a lot for us humans over the last few thousand years. It's only fairly recently that science has held much ground in the humanities, so some people don't expect human behaviour to be explained by science. But that doesn't mean it can't be. matturn 08:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Can someone tell what the logical-or-not issue circles around? Fromm said a little on Aristotelian logic and Eastern logic, but which argument specifically do people criticise. 80.130.151.201 23:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
It was an insult to compare Fromm's ideas to those of "classical liberals" (aka rightist libertarians) as he viewed capitalism as an evil, demoralizing structure. That's like comparing Chomsky's works to that of classical liberals, and Chomsky called Libertarianism "...the worst kind of totalitarianism imaginable."
[edit] When did he become a psychoanalyst?
The page says that Fromm "completed his psychoanalytical training in 1930 at the Psychoanalytical Institute in Berlin.", but according to Rolf Wiggershaus' The Frankfurt School, he was "trained as a psychoanalyst . . . and opened his own practice in 1927" (p. 54). So I'm changing this... (just thought I should notify, I'm new to these things...)
(Lsamurai)
http://www.erich-fromm.de/e/play.php?shownews=10
He has finished psychoanalytical training in 1930.
[edit] I cut this bit
The following passage, strangely placed after the list of major works, seems to me garbled and poorly written. I cut it. Others may disagree, so here it is for inspection:
As mentioned above Fromm was the one, because of his interest in politics and philosophy, developed the idea that freedom poses a key psychology problem that affects personality. He said that there are 2 basic ways of dealing with freedom. The first being A)Embrace it, works with each other. And the second which was to B) Run away from it. Authoritariansm- those who support dicators Destructiveness- thpse who act not by rules but by elimination of others Antomation Confortmity- people stop being themselves and conform to peer/cultural pressure.
Fromm also believed in the 5 basic needs which were the following: a) relatedness- people need to have relationships with others b) transcendence- people must move beyond basic instincts and use creativity to develop a loving, interesting life c) rootedness-feeling like they belong d) sense of identity- see themselves as an unique person; prevents conformity e)the need for a frame of orientation and object deviation
qp10qp 00:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fromm and the IPA
Short information you can find here http://www.daedalus-verlag.de/freie-assoziation/h1_02pr.htm. Austerlitz 88.72.30.19 21:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Critique of Marx
I think someone should add a critique of Marx, Fromm was as critical of Marx as he was of Freud ForrestLane42 03:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)ForrestLane42
- I'd like to see it. I've only read his work on Freud, which is why I stopped there. Clarknova 06:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
