User talk:Epte

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—A.S. Damick talk contribs 17:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... thought I had been (at least lately) Epte 15:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy

Hi there! I've noticed that you've edited articles pertaining to the Eastern Orthodox Church. I wanted to extend an invitation to you to join the WikiProject dedicated to organizing and improving articles on the subject, which can be found at: WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. This WikiProject was begun because a need was perceived to raise the level of quality of articles on Wikipedia which deal with the Eastern Orthodox Church.

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[edit] contact

email me off my person page on the left. LoveMonkey 03:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sabbath

Hello. Might I ask you to take a look at this article? It makes a little mention of the Orthodox perspective, which is good, but I think more might be needed. More importantly, it seems, overall, to be written from a strongly fundamentalist Protestant POV. I would appreciate your help in correcting this situation. Biruitorul 00:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Apostolic Succession (oh my!)

The Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church both link to the same page. Why? They are the same thing. Sometimes there is a tendency for some Protestants to see the Roman Catholic Church as expressly different from the Catholic Church or the ancient Church. Problem with this is two fold. The first is that Jesus only started one Church, not churches. Second is that of Apostolic Succession. In otherwords the Church Jesus Christ started is one church that is Apostolically Succeeded. If you are part of a group that believes Jesus started multiple churches and that Apostolic Succession is not required then chances are you are not in the legitimate Church. The Reformers clearly had a problem with the Roman Catholic Church the "Roman Catholic Church" and not so much the Eastern Church being called the "Orthodox Church". This was done in order to expressely indicate that Protestants had a problem with the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. (Simonapro 08:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC))

Are you aware that the Apostolic Succession page claims that "Roman Catholics recognize the validity of the apostolic successions of the Eastern Orthodox"? See also my recent additions to the Orthodox section in Primacy_of_Simon_Peter. And read some church history. The early church had loads of little churches, each of which was understood to mystically be the entire Church also. Even Jerusalem didn't preside over smaller churches. Each had its own jurisdiction, a practice that has been maintained by the Orthodox (and conveniently forgotten by Rome) to this day. Epte 07:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the topic of Catholic

But I did catch your questions in time and I will answer them. Let’s deal quickly with this term Catholic and then be done with it here because questions about that belong on that article’s discussion page really. Wikipedia hashed out the Catholic meaning debate a number of times (of which I was never part of, just watched) and it has always stayed or ended up with Catholic referencing Roman Catholic Church. The article (which I don’t edit, just watch) has argued it out there but you are welcome to discuss whatever there with editors about it and really this is where it is at. I recognize that the Orthodox Church is Catholic. Please take questions you have about that to the article discussion page.

  • Yes, this in reference to some Protestants who believe that Jesus started churches, plural. This develops into extreme interpretations such as believing that each of the major Protestant churches has a piece of the puzzle, mainly in reference to Revelation although the overall view is that this is somewhat new age thought (200 years old).
  • If the Pope office was somehow unable to perform its duties, such as ending, then this would be a direct contradiction to scripture and the traditional teachings of the Church which is prophesied to last forever! I don’t think it would cause schism to vanish.
  • I am not sure about Schism or why it came up, but I think it is caused by Church leaders who breakaway for one reason or another and as far as I known only the leaders are considered schismatic, not the laity. For example Orthodox sacraments are considered valid by the RCC as far as I know.
  • Renewal - basically this word is used by the Catholic Church throughout the liturgy to means lots of things but in this context it means renewal of the church. The Second Vatican Council stated in the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium, says ‘’It is not only through the sacraments and the ministrations of the Church that the Holy Spirit makes holy the people, leads them and enriches them with his virtues....He also distributes special graces among the faithful of every rank. By these gifts he makes them fit and ready to undertake various tasks and offices for the renewal and building up of the Church.’’ (Simonapro 07:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC))
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