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[edit] Downforce

From the article: After a maximum downforce of 775 kg (1709 lb) is reached at 300 km/h (186 mph) the rear wing is actuated by computer to maintain that downforce.

1) Force isn't measured in Kilograms. It appears that someone just did a crude conversion. Do you mean Newtons? Where does this information come from?

2) The owners of the Enzo includes Pope John Paul II. I suspect this is wrong. There is also much other misinformation in the list of owners. But, it's been my experience that maintaining accurate lists on Wikipedia is near impossible. 63.99.16.91 21:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Owners

The List of Owners section was originally contributed by User:Belgian man on 24 Dec 2004. It was moved to this page by cut-and-paste. Since cut-and-paste does not carry the contribution history forward, this attribution is necessary in order to preserve GFDL. Rossami (talk)


The Glickenhas section is now accurate. Quadritacs edit isn't.

=="THE GLICKENHAUS CAR" is now accurate. Quadritacs edit wasn't. The vin # is NOT changing.



[edit] Name of article

This should really just be "Ferrari Enzo" and not "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari"

No, it should really be "Enzo Ferrari" since that is the actual name of the vehicle, but that name is already used! I'll add a note. --SFoskett 21:54, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
As I see it, the car is named "Enzo Ferrari" but the correct title of this article is "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" &ndash: i.e. the name of the manufacturer followed by the name of the model. SamH|Talk 22:52, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't renaming the articles Enzo Ferrari (car) and Enzo Ferrari (person) be more in line with Wikipedia naming conventions? I can't imagine anyone calls it the Ferrari Enzo Ferrari. KeithD (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I was concerned that the term "Ferrari Enzo Ferrari" may be obscure, but apparently it has many hits: [1]. Shawnc 18:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)~

While it is evident "more likely than not" that "Ditrich Schmidt" ad for sale of Erikson's Ferrari is a prank, I see NO reason that it should be removed!

                The  pictures  from the  accident  sceene are REAL!  :)

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=192139536


PRANKS make also history!

18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)67.53.204.87 18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The prank is cute but should at least be labelled as a prank in the article. My guess is the link will stop working soon. If you're going to keep it in the article you might want to paste a few juicy quotes. Phr 13:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)67.53.204.87

I agree that is very QUTE! :)

I guess that the reader should have more fun finaly determining that it is more likely a prank ;)

Well this ad might be there for a while as long as Microsoft Auto Sale Service will survive.

The NAME OF THE ARTICLE should be changed to "F60 ENZO Ferrari". PS.

Would you by chance be able to correct the location of page and assign "F60 Enzo Ferrari" instead of "Ferrari ENZO Ferrari"?

It will be more accurate than all the time calling the old man, who when disturbed must be rotating himself in the grave every time anyone want to see those wheels!


There is also" "Ferrari Gallery": *[2] with photo from Ferraris stables.

18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)67.53.204.87 18:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

A good name for this article would be "Ferrari, Enzo". Andrew zot 02:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William J. Pulte

I've removed William J. Pulte from the list. The referenced article actually mentioned him while describing the actual owner, Bob Rapp. I'd list Bob Rapp, but it appears that his Enzo was sold (or at least listed) on eBay in late 2005. quadratic 11:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

If anybody wants to use this or this picture instead of the current one, I (the photographer) will let them be used under a GFDL license and a note saying they were taken by me at the Scarsdale Concours. Nrbelex (talk) 22:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have uploaded all three to the commons and will replace the main image. These are great photos!--SFoskett 01:13, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Yo send me ur article on dis baby yeah????


You might use actual picture of FERRARI made by Ferrari and realesed at the initial press release: http://downloads.redjupiter.com/users/images/FerrariForSale/F601b.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.53.204.87 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Ferrari F60?

Is it true that the car is alternatively known as the F60?


YES

The proof is also in this picture adress:

http://downloads.redjupiter.com/users/images/FerrariForSale/F601b.jpg

No - Ferrari does NOT call it the F60. This name is not used anywhere on ferrariworld.com, nor is is used in Ward's Auto World, Car and Driver, etc. This is just a name some people seem to have applied. Might as well call it the "sooper dooper Ferrari" since I'm sure someone once said that... --SFoskett 21:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Top Gear said it was a F60 when they test drove the car. --60.234.137.41 05:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Top Gear's web site does indeed have two mentions of "F60" (both are in Google's cache and are no longer on the site). One is a compilation of lap times for the Stig, while the other debunks F60 as the name of the car. So perhaps they have used this name on-air in the past, but they certainly no longer claim that it is the name of the vehicle. --SFoskett 20:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

This was one of the Names ferrari considered before the final "enzo" name. And at one point when the cat had a Rear Ring it had the embossed "F60" on it like the F40 had. Obviously I have no sources for this as I seen it (with my own eyes) in Fiarano back in about 20002 AppleRobin 16:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dates for 400th car?

The "Production" section says that in March 2005, Ferrari announced it would built a 400th car, and then in January 2005 it presented this car to the Pope. I don't know what the correct dates are, but surely one of these dates must be wrong?

The March 2005 date is definitely incorrect. I've changed that to "Sometime before 2005", and it shall stay that way until we have the correct date. --HashiriyaGDB 23:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What exactly is going on?

The entire page appears to have gotten bloated and messed up. Do we really need a Wallpaper section? eXotic cars? Fastest cars? Snapshots? The References section appears to have been "replaced" with Accidents and the info on the Ferrari Enzo crash has dominated the Owners section abit. There even appears to be a personal ad for a Ferrari Enzo For Sale!! If someone doesn't explain the justifications for each section, i'm tempted to revert the page back to the last previously unmessed version of this page. --293.xx.xxx.xx 12:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)



I agree, the page seems beyond repair in its current form. I'll let you have the "honors" of reverting it. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 12:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I left some suggestions at User talk:293.xx.xxx.xx. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 14:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm cleaning it up... --SFoskett 22:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Cool. --293.xx.xxx.xx 23:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
The stuff about the Malibu crash is noteworthy and should be kept (maybe just mentioned, but I'd like to see lots of detail about it somewhere, maybe in an article about Stefan Eriksson). The forsale ad is a funny prank, not a real ad. I think the link should stay as an example of a humorous public reaction to the crash's circumstances. Phr 23:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)~~ Bullshit walks!

You should leave it the way it was.

You might be not interested but others are.

If you disagree, see your best frend who practice PSYCHIATRY!

Do we needed, YES! give me one reason why NOT!

When mountain claimers counquerred Mount Everest Mallory once asked "WHY?", replied "BECAUSE IS THERE".

Your buffonish style and your actions are and should be considered as an example of VANDALISM, as you are destroying very hard work of others!

MAN, Do you really have a SQUARE head?

As far as personal ad for sale, man you have a chip on your sholder.

Look, and read first before you comment, and than sit down and think!


04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)67.53.204.87

Some of the content was a blatant copyright infringement from either here or Ferrari which I have removed. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 03:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)67.53.204.87 04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Copyright infringement?

What infringement? What you want to copyright? Car specifications? Seems you do not understand what copyright is all about. To understand copyright you have to know what it is, what can be copyrighted, and how to use it! Have you ever heard of FAIR USE!?

  Don't  ever  comment on the issues you do not yet well understand!


It is NOT blatant copyright infringement, it is your blatant stupidity! 04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)04:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)~

First, Please take a look a Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Second, please be more careful with your edits, it is really distorting the formatting on the page. Third, I don't want to copyright anything. I have no idea how you got that idea. I removed a copyright infringement. Copying an entire section of text from Ferrari (or wherever the source was) is not encyclopedic and is a copyright infringement, even if a source is given. See Wikipedia:Copyright. It doesn't belong here. PS2pcGAMER (talk) 05:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

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The 162 mph figure is disputed/disputable. Probably over 120, but probably not 162.

[edit] Cleanup

Some of the language in this article is too casual. For instance, sections like "a current-generation 350 hp V8 Corvette can best this figure nowadays, at a cost of only about 40 grand" and "the Porsche 959 held that title back in 1987" are far too informal for an encyclopedia. Rtcpenguin 22:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted the Wallpapers section because it seems to be not in the spirit of Wikipedia. I've also excised the Snapshots section in favor of a gallery format that i'll try to build sometime this week (or someone can do it themselves before me, i'm not that possessive). The Accidents section will be excised in favor of the former References section that was there. I might add this section back in, but I think such links might be better shunted to the External links section. The Owners section also has been reverted in favor of the brief overview of the Enzo crash event and reference linkage to the wreckedexotics.com website, as wreckedexotics.com can handle the ever growing info much more throughly and neatly than Wikipedia. Also added info to further make the entry look more presentable. In popular culture section moved back up above the External links section. I'll go thru the External links section to clean it up and double check some of the links embedded in the article and revert them to the <ref> marks and make the references section nice and big if it seems appropiate. Additionally, the technical section and other parts of the article will require more verification and editing as time permits. --293.xx.xxx.xx 23:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] neutral point of view tag

I've added the tag, because I think portions of this article might be bias and may also have text that might've been taken from a bias source (copyright violation also?) --293.xx.xxx.xx 00:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Designer

Might want to have a mention of the car's designer: Ken Okuyama. http://www.newscenter.philips.com/About/article-14699.html

[edit] Nick Mason's book

The word "plug" is not universally understood to mean advertise.

It is better to use the word "advertise" rather than "plug."

86.142.196.16 23:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)Pffff, next you'll be telling us that it's a cheap knockoff of the Corvette, and we have to call cars sedans instead of saloons. And luggage is put in the trunk, not the boot.

Lunacy.

[edit] unsuccessful

The British automotive program Top Gear tried unsucessfully to obtain an Enzo to test and review. An offer was made by Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason, but only if Top Gear plugged his new book, Inside Out: A Personal History of Pink Floyd. Host Jeremy Clarkson did not only drive the Enzo, but also managed to plug Mason's book several times during the segment. The show's test driver, The Stig then drove it, with a lap time of 1.19.0 which made it the fastest car the show had tested at the time. It is currently third behind Pagani Zonda C12 F and the Maserati MC12 respectively.

Why were they "unsuccessful" if they eventually did get the car and test it? 68.35.148.201 06:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I edited it to clarify:
The British automotive program Top Gear tried unsucessfully to obtain an Enzo from Ferrari to test and review. However, an offer was made by Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason to let the show use his Enzo, but only if Top Gear plugged his new book, Inside Out: A Personal History of Pink Floyd
Does that make more sense? --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 09:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Ferrari Enzo owners

Why not move the Owners section to List of Ferrari Enzo owners to avoid redundancy? Shawnc 01:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's better than this car

I think the Porsche Carrera GT awesome. It might not be as fast, but it's cooler. You can spill out how wrong you think I am. I don't mind. -Ez5698 P.S.:The Enzo is UGLY!


[edit] Umm... why not call this article....

Enzo Ferrari(car), or something similar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scott 110 (talk • contribs) .

There was already a long discussion about this. Look towards the top of the page for the rationale. f(x)=ax2+bx+c 07:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
  • The name of this car is Enzo or Ferrari Enzo. See the other wikipedias, especially the italian. So please move this article – according to Ferrari F40 etc. − to Ferrari Enzo (at the moment a redirect to this page). --84.177.105.146 15:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
My fault, i checked the name at ferrariworld.com. Enzo Ferrari (car) is okay. --84.177.105.146 17:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

why???/i think it is fine

[edit] PS

It appears to be a measure of engine output, but I can't find what it is on Wikipedia, and it isn't used in many other articles. An explanation would be helpful. --SodiumBenzoate 02:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I've been told it is German horsepower. --SodiumBenzoate 19:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mule mention

There is a mention of three mules in testing rebodied as 348s. Is there a source for this.

[edit] Owners

That section is a bit messy, does anyone else think it should be broken off into List of Enzo Ferrari Owners ? There could be a few of the most famous owners (ones with wikipedia articles) in this article and a link to the list which has everyone, and it would be more organised, like alphabetically. James086 Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review! 05:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

There has been called List of Ferrari Enzo owners until that became merged, I do not agree with that, as for one, having a separate page to lists its owners is like having a wikilists for people who own a Louis Vuitton handbag. Although I am not against the idea of a owners list incorporated into a page, that list needs to be toned down for size. Willirennen 16.14 6 November 2006 (utc).
Each entry really should have a source. I've added {{references}} to make it obvious that this is the case. I'm not even sure of the list should remain, but without sources, it can't be on Wikipedia as it is not verifiable. If anyone puts in the time to find sources, thanks in advance. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 09:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
As I have noticed some people have been placing names on that lists when Google search results dosen't mention a single name of them. Would it be a good idea to delete some of the list if there are no evidence of them ot no relevant seatch results, well I'm up for that as I can think of 3 so far. Willirennen 18.14 2 December 2006 (utc).
Just, I have noticed a bit of vandalism, non-notable people placing their own names for the sake of vanity, since nobody replied to the above which didn't prevent that from happening, I have now deleted 5 of them and mark 2 for deletion including the very recent entry as there is no proof of these people on websearches, they will have to deleted. Willirennen 17.02, 6 December 2006 (utc)
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