Talk:Enterprise resource planning

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what is enterprise resource planning (posted by 202.144.89.66)

This page appears to be paraphrased from my www site. However as soon as i added a link to the source material i got Revert: linkspam. May i respectfully suggest an impartial editor consider adding a link to http://www.listensoftware.com/hrxp/silvercacheinfo.asp?txtGlobalVariableName=1002


Some one please tell me what is the license of SQL Ledger? --Sina 11:46, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

well, I don't know


I noticed strange modifications, and when i reverted them, i cannot find them in the history. Maybe related to the cache/squids?

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[edit] What is ERP not?

I think this page gives a good idea of what ERP is. However, I'm left wondering: is any product that performs the described tasks an "ERP system", or are there specific requirements? For example, are there 'ERP information exchange standards', or will any integration between the various components do?

[edit] Scope

There may be value in having a scope section which

  • Lists the various areas of software we expect to see in an ERP, with links to articles on those various areas.
  • Some definition of software that exists that has some of these features, such as accounting, engineering, back office, supply chain, but might not be considered to be ERP if they lack thw whole scope.
  • There are also standards outside of ERP that some ERP packages pay lipservice to, while others do not. For example, when one company is manufacturing something that is designed by another company, they both on some ERP, they both on some kind of engineering drawing system, but often the two companies computer systems do not talk to each other when it comes to details on updates to the engineering drawings, so the industries for which this is important, they lobby the ERP software companies to try to fix this. Thus we have a category here of large special interest groups that want additions to ERP standards. User:AlMac|(talk) 03:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what is really enterprise resource planning?

Is this have no meaning without a software sol?

What do you mean "sol"? I have experience in

  • BPCS
  • MAPICS
  • home brew

Were you aware that ERP was invented in the 1950's because computers into the business world made things practical that could not be done without computers, and the organization APICS came up with the first standards and framework from which ERPs grew?

Would it be constructive to add a section on history of ERP to this article, with links to other WIKI articles on parallel theories, such as lean manufacturing and just in time, which tend to share pieces of ERP, with some elements of ERP replaced with alternative approaches? That might put in better perspective these questions about disadvantages. You need to weigh the power of the tool, and whether that power is a good fit to a company needs. User:AlMac|(talk) 20:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I think such a section would be helpful and informative. I, unfortunately, am not the person who can write it, but I would be very interested in reading such a thing; a nice clear definition of what ERP actually IS would also be helpful, if such a thing can be created -- it's possible to spend hours reading vendor web sites and white papers, and everyone seems to have their own suitably vague idea of what ERP is; to some people it's a software product while to other people it seems somewhere between a philosophy and a religion. Kadin2048 17:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I second that. Current definition is basically only about ERP systems, making this a software topic. 145.35.88.40 13:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

After I had made some obvious corrections to the BPCS article with respect to POV and relevant subtopics, that need to be fleshed out, I went looking for some kind of Category:ERP directory of articles about other ERP software package to give me an idea about WP standards for such articles before I do much more to the BPCS article. I know there are thousands of different packages out there, from original research I did to get best Y2K solution for my employer. My conclusion is that the entire WP covereage of ERP is a huge collection of stubs. Am I mistaken?

If there could be a project to upgrade some of these stubs (see links from examples of ERP software that I added) then there might be less questions from people who not comprehend what an ERP is. We can then direct them to some good articles about good ERP.

User:AlMac|(talk) 22:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not comfortable with the Categories that are out there. ERP is much more than Manufacturing Production. I'd like to see categories that reflect the last few decades of manufacturing software development, such as Supply Chain, ERP, Customer relations, etc. User:AlMac|(talk) 20:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Request for re-inclusion of external link.

I added a link to my Software Evaluation website because it offers assistance with the comparison of ERP software and it is a free service that requires no registration or sign up. The matrix/spreadsheet concept used on the site can also be used by across all forms of software evaluation so it is a useful free resource that would be of interest to people visiting this page. Unfortunately someone chose to remove it. Perhaps it could be restored? http://www.software-evaluation.co.uk

It was me who removed the link. The general policy in the wikipedia is to have only few external links that provide significant additional value. Since there are quite a few comparison pages, after adding your page others would ask not without reason for the same. So unless you can show that your page is THE page for software comparison, I don't see why yours in particular should be added. --S.K. 18:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately I cannot show that my page is THE page because this is all a matter of opinion. I do however believe that my site is unique in that it offers a software evaluation service that is completely free. There are no other web sites in the 'net that do this. It does not ask for email addresses or contact details, collects no cookies and visitors can freely use the spreadsheet that is provided. Furthermore the method used will provide people seeking to compare software with the means to do so. Even if they choose not to use the spreadsheet they will benefit from seeing the methods used and applying them to their own particular problems. I put a lot of time into developing this and I just wanted to share it with others. http://www.software-evaluation.co.uk 13:56 (BST) 29 October 2005

There are external sites which are leaders of the major areas of ERP such as Supply Chain, alternatives to Material Requirements Planning, alternative ways of doing manufacturing design work and engineering of new parts. Each of them have directories of which ERP do best job of meeting needs of thos particular application focus. But in the USA thanks to mergers and aquisitions we are rapidly moving from a world of thousands of competing vendors to the Microsoft monopoly of ERP where future innovation will go dead slow. User:AlMac|(talk) 20:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another link wacked

Hey, I put a set of articles that explain how major ERP software works from a Database Administrators viewpoint, with a discussion of problems of implementation of the major vendors many months ago. Then a couple weeks ago it is gone. ERP Critics are not tolerated? Afraid of the truth about major ERP vendors and the wares they sell? Only the "sell" side gets full voice, the "disadvantages" condensed to ten sentences with no discussion or referential material? "Disadvantage: some systems can be difficult to use" what does that tell anyone?

"Disadvantage: some systems can be difficult to use" is a vague statement perhaps from perspective of someone who does not know the basics of ERP implementation theory, such as:
  • For ERP to work to its full potential, the users need to have a modicum of education in its basics
    • A company with the greatest ERP in the world and zero training in its use ... that company will be totally destroyed in the marketplace of competition by a company that has the worst ERP in the world and great training in its use. This is because the state of art of success is much more highly dependent on the skills and experience of the work force than whatver data is managed by the computer.

User:AlMac|(talk) 20:44, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Examples of packages whacked

I moved what was whacked to a stub collection of packages. I think there is need for separate Articles and listings:

  • Vendors of commercial ERP Software
  • Sources of Open Source ERP
  • Examples of ERP software
  • Strehgths and Weaknesses of Commercial vs. Open Source, in general, and ERP in specific

User:AlMac|(talk) 10:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] crit

Gonna take out some of these criticism because they are extremely vague.

Could we replace practice of anonymous comments by anonymous editors with WIKI standards of self-identification? User:AlMac|(talk) 20:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Implementation

I noticed that this section had been written from the historical perspective of what happens when an ERP is installed without professional help, so I rewrote pieces. Companies can be experienced in doing whatever it is they are in business to do, but if they are experienced in implementing complex systems, that implies they not using any one long enough to get value from it. Generally, companies that are good at whatever it is they do, are not experienced in changing how they run their business, such as implementing complex computer systems, handling the retraining of the staff to work with the replacement system, changing how they run their business to best mesh with how the replacement computer system functions.

Thus, we tend to have lots of computer press stories of disasters by companies that tried to implement a complex system, without proper professional guidance, and ended up spending millions of dollars over several years, and having nothing substantioal to show for it. At the same time, there are hundreds of thousands of manufacturers around the world with very successful implmentations, and this process is so mundane as to not merit mention in the computer media. Thus, a person who is ignorant about the ERP industry might think the massive media attention to failed implementations is the norm. User:AlMac|(talk) 21:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disadvantages

I added to this list, but I am concerned about the punctuation, and whether the format adheres to Wikipedia:Manual of Style standards. User:AlMac|(talk) 21:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC) Thanks. I see the punctuation has been vastly improved since my comment. User:AlMac|(talk) 22:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Advantages

I am considering adding such a section, to help balance what might appear to be a POV that ERP is a bad thing. User:AlMac|(talk) 22:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Speedy delete tag

Advertising isn't a criteria for speedy deletion anyway, but I fail to see how this has been taken to be so. ERP is an established and well known term in the IT industry, well worth a detailed Wikipedia article. If you really think it should be deleted, please take it to AfD. - N (talk) 13:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

When I first stumbled over this article, and tried to improve it, it was
  • a stub
  • seemed to focus on publishers of ERP packages
  • had questions from people who had no idea what ERP is, or little experience in successful one
  • heavily pushing open source ERP, which in my experience is a significant topic, but probably a microscopic percentage of the world of ERP
I thought that listing example ERP packages, with decent articles on them, would be more encyclopaedic than the focus on what companies are active in the industry. However, the articles I have found on Wiki, that describe some particular ERP package, are also stubs. User:AlMac|(talk) 16:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History

I see someone removed this:

In the early days of business computing, companies used to write their own software to control their business processes. This is an expensive approach. Since many of these processes occur in common across various types of businesses, common reusable software may provide cost-effective alternatives to custom software. Thus some ERP software caters to a wide range of industries from service sectors like software vendors and hospitals to manufacturing industries and even to government departments.

I believe the text, that was removed, is accurate for software history in general. However, I have my doubts that it was ever the case for ERP. ERP was invented around 1950 by APICS thanks to mini computers becoming affordable to mid sized enterprises, and pretty quickly there were a flood of commercial outfits with software packages that met the APICS standards.

I think perhaps there ought to be separate main article(s) on

  • the history of development of ERP and its related software pieces and related stuff like CRM and EDI
  • challenges of selecting and implementing major complex software packages like ERP.

User:AlMac|(talk) 10:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested Change to Disadvantages Section

The disadvantage listed below isn't a disadvantage of ERP systems in my mind but of organizational structure. Properly implemented ERP systems can help to solve some of these process and communication gaps between departments and partners. The ERP system might simply make bottlenecks more visible and as a result be blamed by some system users as the cause (the shoot the messenger syndrome). I'd suggest someone who knows ERP systems well remove this disadvantage if they agree. Antonrojo 17:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

"The system can suffer from the "weakest link" problem - an inefficiency in one department or at one of the partners may affect other participants."


[edit] Deletion of General Links

I deleted some of the See Also links on this page which were very general business terms such as Marketing and Manufacting in keeping with wiki policy of limiting the links to only the most relevant.Antonrojo 19:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Delete Terrorism Section in Advantages?

This is in response to edit comment from 128.113.142.131 on 3/1/06 stating 'Revised syntax on terror scenario; probably could remove it entirely though':

I also had thought about deleting this sentence when editing the same section. While it is a pretty fantastic example (and sounds a little like an excerpt from marketing literature intended to justify a major government ERP expense) it does provide an interesting and practical example of the advantages of the software, which is no small feat in an article about what is basically glorified accounting software. My main question would be whether most ERP software could 'prevent editing of a bill of materials' without a prohibitive amount customization.

I agree. It is a ridiculous example, and rather than showing how ERP will protect us from terrorism (it won't), it instead makes it seem like it would be very easy to create mistakes in your manufacturing process.


What the hell happened here? There was a huge section a few days ago about "What is ERP", while subjective I felt it was still valuble and could have been improved rather than just wiped out. Can people just do that? Shouldn't changes go through at least some kind of vote?

[edit] ERP for Paint Industries

Can ERP be put to use in the Paint Industry?

Yes, I spent 10 years working on ERP implementations for a paint manufacturer footie 21:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is the difference between ERP system and Accounting system like ACCPAC?

someone please tell me..


well the ERP is like a huge ship which has a small room named Accounting System. ERP is an enterprise solution where as the Accounting System deals only in the accounts terrain only.

M.T

[edit] links and content to promote corporate bodies is strongly discouraged

Enterprise Resource Planning

i requested an IMPARTIAL editor consider adding an external link to http://www.listensoftware.com/hrxp/silvercacheinfo.asp?txtGlobalVariableName=1002 on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning

However the response i got was from the same editor who reverted my original edit: "No, your edit history clearly shows that you've simply inserted a spam link to your corporate pitch page. I can see no text or 'paraphrase' from the link you originally inserted to the text in the article. I have additionally reverted your latest addition, which was to simply vandalize the article by hijacking links and inserting your opinion about your product. Please stop. Kuru"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning "the PeopleSoft HRMS and Financials systems are generally considered better than SAP's HRMS solution. And SAP's manufacturing and CRM systems are generally considered better than PeopleSoft's equivalents[citation needed]. So an organization large enough to justify the purchase of an ERP system, may choose to purchase the PeopleSoft HRMS and Financials modules from Oracle, and their remaining applications from SAP"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Just_zis_Guy%2C_you_know%3F "There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative "I heard it somewhere" pseudo information is to be tagged with a "needs a cite" tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information"

This last applies to biographies of living individuals. Addition of links and content to promote corporate bodies is strongly discouraged, and per recent comments from the Foundation is likely to remain so. Guy 06:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automation (OSS) vs ERP

well i have question to the authur(s) of this page

How can you differentiate between an operational support system and an Enterprise resource planning system? From my prospective both are the same they only differ in the resource category as ERP eats up all the resources as compared to OSS.
• Incase of unified view of the organization OSS and ERP are side by side
• Incase of restructuring and business process integration there is no difference
Then why use ERP where as we have OSS as the cheap solution and provides all the benefits of ERP

--202.125.149.158 05:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)--MaT

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