Talk:Engagement ring
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[edit] "Vein of Love" Confliction
The vein of love background on the engagement ring page conflicts with that of this engagement page. This page claims the Egyptians started it, while the other page claims a Roman origin.--Elysianfields 17:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
"By modern convention, the ring is usually presented as a betrothal gift by a man to his prospective bride while or directly after she accepts his marriage proposal."
I'm told it's only on television that they tend to hand over rings there and then.
If they did it in real life, then surely that would mean you're meant to measure her finger, buy the ring and then propose, at the risk of having wasted your money if she refuses (and it doesn't fit whomever you end up getting engaged to instead).
But the measuring must be a giveaway, so why not propose then? It would make more sense.... -- Smjg 09:00, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- It is done in real life a lot, although I agree that in some cases it makes more sense to propose first and then get the ring. However, many people--men and women--actually know their ring sizes because they wear rings at other times. And many people know their partners' tastes in jewelery--might in fact have gone shopping together for "if someday I were to become engaged, that's the sort of ring that appeals to me--" (one might argue that if a couple really knows each oether well enough to get married that they ought to know something about each other's tastes and preferences). Also, most, if not all, jewelery stores will exchange a ring that's brought back after it's presented if the size and/or style and/or stone aren't the right ones. Elf | Talk 16:19, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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- I see. But if she declines, would they give a refund? Or will it remain exchangeable indefinitely for when you finally get engaged to someone several years later? -- Smjg 14:47, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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- Blue Nile has a 30 return policy if your not satisfied. I don't know if this is typical. My girlfriend had her finger mesasured and told me her ring size months ago. I think it depends on the couple. I know one couple that picked out the ring together, but the man still kept the proposal date a surprise. (this doesn't make sense to me.) I've also read about tricks to get the girl's ring size without her knowing. For example, use one of her rings to make an impression on a bar of soap. --BrianG5 16:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Part of the romantic fantasy of proposing is in having the ring with you to seal the deal, although it's not done all the time. Some people make the ring the center of the proposal--e.g. hide or place the ring where the recipient will come across it unexpectedly, although this sometimes backfires. Just read or heard about someone who put it into a specially made dark chocolate treat, but the recipient exchanged the treat at the store for milk chocolate and the ring was never seen again. One of our friends had the waiter at the restaurant deposit it in his girlfriend's after-dinner coffee, and he had a very long wait while she dawdled over the coffee and almost decided not to drink it--but at least the guy knew where the ring was the whole time. (My first fiance presented me with the ring at his proposal--but we had talked about "what if--" for a very long time, so he knew what I liked. My second engagement, the rings for both of us came later.) Elf | Talk 16:19, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I have removed the following sentence from the article. For example, Judith Sheindlin, TV's Judge Judy, holds that an engagement ring is 'a gift given in contemplation of marriage' and must therefore be returned if the contract is broken. This is a poor example in the legal context, as Judge Judy is not a real court, and decisions binding because of the contract people sign to appear on the show, not because of preset claims laws. --ORBIT 19:29, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why is my contributions to this webpage not being credited to me? I am the owner of Adylon Diamonds and Bridal Jewelry. I have given my intepretation of the origin of the engagement ring based on my research! I would like my contributions to be included, and credited to me like many others have done. This is how the Wikipedia is supposed to work! Please let me know why my contributions are being deleted! Thank you.
- If you check the guidelines at Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Spam you will see that we discourage people addding any links to their own web site (if it is really useful another editor will probably add the link at some time). We also particularly discourage linking to commercial or advertising supporting sites. That's the way Wikipedia works. -- Solipsist 19:13, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Arguments about cultural value > actual value
What does everyone think about the idea of many women demanding thousands of dollars to be spent on a piece of jewelry, which is essentially a form of "buying a bride?" I wonder if we should have a heavily NPOV section of this article that discusses these issues. JHMM13 (T | C) 05:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
A woman that would be bought probably won't be bought exclusively by the engagement ring. If I on my paltry income save up and buy a 10 thousand dollar ring, she would still presumably know about my paltry income.
The article already addresses that the engagement ring can be seen as an icon for the status of a man's financial well being and stability; I'm not sure that it needs more than that. Including an additional section, I think, would therefore be POV no matter how you slice it.
I still don't see the connection of why men have to spend several thousands of dollars. And still more why women feel they can keep the ring if the marriage never goes through. (To me it sounds greedy). In the past I may have understood that the ring was a symbol of the man's financial stability. And this may have been important back when it was mostly a mono-income family. But in todays age its different both individuals work and contribute to the income of the home. There is no need for any woman to expect a man to drop this kind of money just to show devoution. That money could be better placed for purchasing a house, car, or furniture for their new lives. Maybe its just me but if its supposed to be a union it shouldn't be about the ring, it should be about the emotional connection between the individuals involved.
[edit] Statistics
"In the US, men purchase around 200 engagement and wedding rings each day. Nationally, over 5,000 marriage proposals occur per year. However the international per capita marriage rate is much lower than in the US." Is there a source for these statistics? Considering that the US has over 2 million marriages per year (source) common sense suggests that at least a few thousand rings are sold each day and at least a million proposals were made each year. So I'll remove the above paragraph until it's backed up with a source Mako 01:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Titanium Rings
Titanium rings have largely been discredited as a hazard in an emergency. A hospital does have the tools to remove these types of rings. The tools used are the same as removing any other ring. The difference is a titanium ring cannot be soldered back together. Sorry, I'm hesitant to try and change the entry directly- I'm not *really* sure what I'm doing. Perhaps someone else would be so kind as to make the correction?
[edit] Divorce
Does anyone know if it's this, or the wedding ring, or neither, that's given back in divorce. I've just seen it in a Judge Judy episode, so wasn't sure. Thanks. Tristanb 10:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
