Talk:Ender's Shadow

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Contents 1 Anton's Key? 2 Wow 3 Preference 4 Wikify Template 5 Revisionist? Uncomfortable joins between the two books. 6 Bean

[edit] Anton's Key?

If this article is redirected from Anton's Key, should it have some explanation of it? Kimun 00:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

This book sounds awesome. Ender's Game was a blast from the ...future.

Space kids would dig in for sure.

[edit] Preference

Actually, I liked Ender's Shadow better than Ender's Game. Though Ender's Game was the book that I liked least in Cards whole Ender series. One thing about Shadow though, it seems to assume you've already read Ender's Game, so when I read Game after reading Shadow, it cleared up a lot of things about the flash suits andother things concerning the war game.Wiz kid 23:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Orson Scott Card really is amazing if he can satisfy so many different people. Personally, I enjoyed Ender's Game. It is my favorite book in the series. Ender's Shadow is awesome too, and I'll improve this article if I ever find the time. Bean's series is too good to have an article like this.--Sol Kiske 20:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikify Template

I added the wikify template to this article as I believe it needs to be expanded and formatted better to match the rest of the Ender book articles. Unfortunately, I don;t have the time to work on it right now so I tagged it in hopes that someone else will. --SSTwinrova 22:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revisionist? Uncomfortable joins between the two books.

I love both EG and this book, but I do find the revisionism in Ender's Shadow a little off-putting. Because Card has to make this book fit in with the original, he often tries to manipulate the dialogue, or our perception of it, eg taking something that Bean said seriously in EG and now making out that it was actually sarcastic. Some of the plot "glueing" is annoying, in EG we see that Ender considers Bean to be only good at using small forces like a scalpel, but in ES everyone knows that Bean is the best at everything (apart from personal relationships), so Card invents some other reason why Ender didn't use Bean much (ie because Rackham had deliberately sown the seeds of doubt in Ender's mind). Anyway, I don't know how Card could have done much better given the task at hand. A great book anyway.Leeborkman 07:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bean

Is Bean really a particularly important supporting character in Ender's Game? This is particularly revealed in Ender's Shadow. I think it's valid to just call him 'largely peripheral' in Ender's Game. QueenStupid 04:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

As someone who read EG many times before Ender's Shadow was ever written, I can't agree with you there, QueenS. Bean is at least as important as Petra, Dink or Alai, even in EG. Bean is the one soldier that Ender The Commander befriends, and also the one soldier that Ender mistreats, because even in EG Ender realises that Bean and he are so alike. Ender places great trust in Bean, even in EG, making him a very special Toon Leader. Of course, in ES, Card tries to persuade us that Bean was even more important that Ender ever guessed in EG, but even so, Bean is undoubtedly a major character. In my opinion, Ender, Valentine and Graff are the main characters, because we see through their eyes, but among all the rest, Bean is emphasised as special, if only as an ironic narrative device to highlight the change in Ender from pint-sized launchie to uber-soldier. What do you reckon? Leeborkman 05:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)