User talk:Emir Arven/Archives 1

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1 Welcome
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3 Srebrenica massacre
4 Srebrenica massacre
5 Srebrenica massacre
6 Hague
7 -Oldadamml
8 Milosh
9 Bosnian language
10 The Truth Now

[edit] Welcome

Hi, Emir. While I realize that you were very upset with the anonymous user you reported to Administrator Intervention, please be aware that Wikipedia does not allow personal attacks against any editor for any reason. Wikipedia:No Personal Attacks is offical policy on Wikipedia, and it clearly sets out that calling any editor a Nazi or comparing them to Nazis is unacceptible for any reason. Please avoid making similar statements in the future. If you have a content dispute with another editor, please take it to Wikipedia:Requests for Comment, but do not under any circumstances make personal attacks against other editors. It is simply not tolerated. If you have questions about how Wikipedia policy works, feel free to ask here and I will answer them. -- Essjay · Talk 11:37, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

OK, I am sorry and I will respect the rules.Emir Arven 11:54, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Post messages in talk pages

Hi Emir, also make sure you write messages to other users in their TALK page, not their USER page. Editing another person's user page is considered vandalism by Wikipedia even if you did not intend vandalism. Here you can find all of Wikipedia's policies: Category:Wikipedia policies and guidelines --AI 02:50, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much.Emir Arven 16:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Srebrenica massacre

As you probably noticed, the Srebrenica massacre article has been protected from editing due to the continuous edit warring of Oldadamml, you and anonymous editors, following a request by me. I invite you to courteously discuss the issues at the discussion page, which you can find at Talk:Srebrenica massacre. See you, Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I saw your message on my talk page with regard to this; I suggest you start an RfC on the matter to further develop community consensus. As a general rule, I don't get involved in content disputes where I am not familiar enough with the subject to be able to determine what is going on. RfC will allow other contributors, including administrators, who are more familiar with the situation to weigh in and develop a consensus on how to deal with the issue. -- Essjay · Talk 04:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Srebrenica massacre

Dakle, jos jednom ako nisam bio jasan : ti si tvrdio da nesto nije relevantno ako se ne nalazi u judgment ICTY. Ja se slazem s tobom i kazem : u clanku treba da bude samo materijal koji se nalazi u judgment ICTY. Prvi paragraph tvoje verzije ne nalazi se u judgment ICTY. --Oldadamml 13:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

No, I said that Morriliions opinon is not relevant, cause judges had already considered his opinion, and decided that.Emir Arven 13:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Srebrenica massacre

http://www.radios.co.yu/arhivavesti.html 2005-06-13 11:00:00 NAJVAZNIJE VESTI - PREGLED

U HRVATSKOJ UHAPSEN OSUMNJICENI PRIPADNIK 'SKORPIONA'

Vukovarsko-sremska policija uhapsila je sinoc u Banovcima hrvatskog drzavljanina Slobodana D. za koga se sumnja da je, kao pripadnik specijalne jedinice Skorpioni, ubijao ili ucestvovao u ubistvu sedmoro Bosnjaka iz Srebrenice.

To je agenciji Hina potvrdio nacelnik Operativno-komunikacijskog centra Policijske uprave vukovarsko-sremske Tomislav Iljic. --Oldadamml 13:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Znaci ovo je jedan od pokazatelja da je bilo pripadnika Skorpiona iz Hrvatske. --Oldadamml 13:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Zamolio bih te da ne prljaš moju talk stranicu svojim glupostima. Nadam se da će vam historija suditi, jer i poslije genocida, i nakon prekopavanja masovnih grobnica, ponovo pokušavate negirati genocid, bijednom i prljavom propagandom. Donekle to mogu razumjeti, jer se bliži kraj Tužbe BiH protiv SCG za agresiju i genocid (u februaru 2006), koja je po svim pravnim analizama već dobijena. Nažalost oni koji negiraju holakaust su isti kao i oni koji relativizuju genocid. Znam da tvoja sorta nema obraza, ni savjesti, ali ako ništa pogledaj snimak na kojem škorpioni ubijaju vezanu djecu s leđa, i pogledaj u kojim uniformama to rade. Vidjećeš i da pričaju ekavicu. Naravno tebi trebaju dokazi. I dobićeš dokaze februara 2006, a nakon toga tvoji praunuci će ti psovati sve po spisku, jer će mojim unucima plaćati ratnu odštetu, upravo zbog seronja kao što si ti koji se prave pametni, i ironijom pokušavaju da ismijavaju masovne grobnice koje se iskopavaju svaki dan. Da svaki dan (eto množi malo, ako se hoćeš igrat bukvače), ali nažalost, mnoge su prekopavane po nekoliko puta, pa to otežava identifikaciju (5 hiljada tijela je iskopano do sada, ali samo je 2000 identificirano, jer je postupak spor), a to prikrivanje i uništavanje dokaza su radile srpske vlasti sve do nedavno. Mogu samo reći da mi se gadiš i nemoj ovdje više navraćati.Emir Arven 17:34, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hague

I would not recommend u anything, not even hospital, but talking about crimes it is enough to see the number of Serbian war criminals in the Hague.

                           1) Srbs 106 (72,6 %)
                           2) Croats 31 (21,23%)
                           3) Bosniaks 9 (6,16%)
                           1)Serbs received 554 years prison sentence, until now. (76%).
                           2)Croats received 142 years prison sentence, until now. (19,4%).
                           3)Bosniaks received 33 years prison sentence, until now. (4,5%).

Interesuje me gde si nasao ove podatke. Ne sumnjam da su tacni, ali me interesuje izvor, pa ako mozes da mi prebacis link na moj talk, voleo bih da procitam vise detalja. --Oldadamml 06:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] -Oldadamml

Hi Emir, Oldadamml seems to be a hardline case of a Serb nationalist, and if he continues with some of his more disputable and one sided edits, I'd advise you to take the matter over to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. GeneralPatton 16:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice.Emir Arven 17:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Milosh

Hi, well, again the best way is to take his case to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration, the quotes you showed me make a pretty good case against him. GeneralPatton 03:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bosnian language

Bosancica is a vital part of bosnian language history, bosancica was written and founded by bosniak bogumils..please include this in the article on bosnian language...or else I will do that on my own.

Let me explain, bosancica is a script originally from Bosnian, it is Bosnian heritage, and I included those information, but dont mix script with the language, language is much bigger and important than a script. If you insist to write about Bosancica in Bosnian language article administrators can lock the article and put POV tag, which will cause damage for Bosnian language and those who worked hard on the article. So don't insisist too much. Btw, Bosnian is older than Bosancica, so when you say that Bosnian language descends from Bosancica, you are taking away a part of Bosnian history, and actually doing Serb nationalists job, to deny our language. If you know more detailes about Bosancica go to the bosancica article and give your contribution.Emir Arven 17:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok you seem to know what you are talking about and I respect that, but when reading through the article I don't seem to find anything of the smart things you are saying in your reply to me. Please make the article on the bosnian language more nationalistic and brave. For example why don't you write that the Bosnian language is the oldest one counting serbian croatian and bosnian AND why don't I get to read anything about the truth - btw that croatian and serbian developed from Bosnian.... and why don't I GET TO READ THAT Bosnia indeed is the oldest country counting once again serbia croatia and Bosnia..this is important and the articles need to be more brave and rather more nationalistic, because why shouldn't the bosnian articles be like that since all the croatian and serbian are...listen man both you and me know the truth but we need to get out there and put our interessts forward, it's enough with the serbs and croats denying our God-given right as the only people of Bosnia, this right here, our struggle for justice and identity, is just a continue of the previous war/agression on the bosniak people. What I am trying to say is THE WAR IS NOT OVER, and it probably never will be...that's just the way it is

Ono što možemo uraditi ti i ja ili bilo koji Bošnjak, jeste da promovišemo Wikipediju među bošnjačkim intelektualcima, jer danas na Wikipediji ima skoro 20 puta više srpskih i hrvatskih korisnika, nego bošnjačkih. Na 1000 stanovnika u BiH ima samo 25 internet korisnika (od kojih je tek pola Bošnjaka), dok npr. u susjednoj Hrvatskoj koja ima sličan broj stanovnika kao BiH, na 1000 ljudi dolazi 225 korisnika interneta da ne govorim u SCG koja je mnogo veća. Odnos je kao nebo i zemlja, pa tako šta god da napišemo to ide s velikom mukom, jer oni koji nama ne žele dobro razvale članak tako što iskoriste nepromišljene akcije bošnjačkih pojedinaca i pokažu te akcije administratorima kao primjer vandalizma, i onda i ono malo članaka ode do vraga. Zato sam ti rekao da ne insistiraš mnogo, jer ima nas nekoliko koji držimo stvari pod kontrolom i sarađujemo sa internacionalnim korisnicima, pa nam te akcije mogu samo odmoći. Ovo je dugotrajniji put, ali ipak siguran, jer bosanski jezik je konačno standardizovan (što nije bio), priznat od svih relevantnih faktora (što nije bio), uključen u enciklopedije (što nije bio), a krenuli smo od ničeg, sada ipak imamo nešto i svakim danom napredujemo, ali smo se odlučili na put istine oko čega se svi slažu i oko čega nacionalisti iz susjednih naroda neće praviti problem, koju malo pomalo proširujemo i dobijamo kredibilitet u engleskoj Wikipedijskoj zajednici, a to je izuzetno bitno, jer mi nismo narod koji vrijeđa, negira nečije pravo da bude ono što jeste, podmeće i podvaljuje kako to rade susjedi zbog čeka imaju lošu reputaciju u svijetu. Mi moramo sačuvati naše dostojanstvo u svakom slučaju. Poenta: Promocija Wikipedije među bošnjačkim intelektualcima. Pozdrav.Emir Arven 22:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Well alot of the things you are saying sound reasonable, BUT on the other hand some of them sound as excuses for not having the couarage to make a difference. You are saying that the bosniaks are a friendly peacekeeping people and I agree with you they are, they could have done the same crimes to the serb people as the serbs did to bosniaks, but the bosniaks chose not to. But maybe we bosniaks should become a bit more agressive and claim our rights at a higher level. It is so obvious that bosniaks are the ethnic (original) bosnians so why not write this, LIVE FOREVER objects such changes on articles because he claims that bosniaks aren't ethnic bosnians, how could they not BE I mean like bonsiak and bosnian means the same thing. And why not write that bosancica is heritage of the bosnian language and has nothing to do either with serbian or croatian, this is nothing but the truth so why don't write it, offcourse serbs and croats will not agree and object because their lives are just a big lie and they are denying the truth. THe truth is also, both you and I know, that serbian and croatian developed from bosnian..they know this but won't confess it. Yes I know we are fewer but it is quality that decides and not amount..remember that and I believe there are quite many bosniak traitors among us, just take a look at LIVE FOREVER.

HEHE sorry emir, wrote the wrong name in the articles haha I don't consider you to be a traitor nor' to object bosniaks as ethnic bosnians, I MENT the user LIVE FOREVER the whole time...got a bit crazy there !

Trenutno je članak sasvim uredu. Svako mijenjanje će donijeti samo koncetraciju srpskih i hrvatskih vandala koji ga mogu vrlo lako uništiti. Što se tiče Live Forever, on je dao nemjerljiv doprinos promociji Bošnjaka, na ovoj Wikipediji i po prvi put zahvaljujući njemu naći će se jedan članak o Bošnjacima na naslovnoj strani engleske Wikipedije. Međutim, vjerovatno su ga tvoje akcije iziritirale (da bi to znao moraš mnogo više stvari znati o radu Wikipedije, Wikimedija fondacije i drugih institucija, kao i samu materiju o kojoj želiš pisati-ono što si pokušao ubaciti o bosančici je bilo kontraproduktivno jer jezik ne nastaje iz pisma, nego pismo nastaje u jeziku, o tome ja barem znam mnogo više nego ti jer to je moja materija), Live Forever nije znao da ti lijepo pojasni o čemu se radi, i zato ste vjerovatno došli u sukob. Da li si ti uopšte svjestan koliko je truda potrebno da se napiše jedan članak npr. o genocidu u srebrenici u okruženju koje je puno sh vandala? Potrebno je mjesec ili dva minimalno, a samo tri čovjeka su taj članak uradila u situaciji kada se to činilo nemogućim. I šta se onda dešava? Onda dođe neki bošnjački seronja koji nema pojma ni o čemu osim da je Bošnjak nacionalista, i koji nikad nije napisao ni jedan članak niti je izgubio ni jedan sat rada na nekom članku, izbriše par paragafa koji se tiču Srba, nazove ih fašistima, što srbi iskoriste, prijave Wikimediji ili administratorima i trud od mjesec ili dva mjeseca dana rade ode dođavola, i još što je gore ostane srpska verzija članka. Zapamti ovo nije forum, ovo je enciklopedija koja se uzima kao referenca na drugim stranicama. Dakle, Bošnjak zezne Bošnjake. Nadam se da si shvatio o čemu se radi. Nadam se da si ti razuman čovjek i da nam nećeš odmoći.Emir Arven 21:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Truth Now

Ovaj ce vama napraviti veca sranja nego bilo kom drugom... A primetio sam i da si ti sam primetio. Hoces li da krenem u proces trazenja bana za njega na osnovu onog sto je pricao na mojoj strani? --millosh (talk (sr:)) 18:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Ne znam sta ste vas dvojica pricali, ali s obzirom da si ti takodjer mene vrijedjao na osnovu cega ja mogu pokrenuti proces trazenja bana, to bi bilo licemjerno od tebe. Moj savjet obadvojici je da se pokrijete dekom po glavi i prestanete srati, jer ovo je enciklopedija, a ne forum, i ako se mislite prepucavati nemojte to raditi na mojoj strani za razgovor. Hvala unaprijed. Emir Arven 21:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Zaboravi. To sam ti hteo uciniti kao uslugu... Bas me briga da za nekog ko ne ume da vodi racuna o sebi ja sad nesto trazim. Ukljucujuci i banovanje. Taj ce biti banovan tako sto ce neko potpuno deseti traziti njegovo banovanje, potpuno sam uveren u to. Jedino sto ce vam napraviti do tada ogromnu stetu. (Inace, sa vredjanjima na nacionalnoj osnovi si sam poceo.) --millosh (talk (sr:)) 09:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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