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[edit] court case?
What does this Supreme Court case with Muhammad Ali having anything to do with Elijah Muhammad?
[edit] death?
"Muhammad was succeeded following his apparent death by his son Warith Deen Muhammad". Why apparent death? Is there anyone who says he didn't die? User:Paul Barlow 14:10, 18 June, 2005 (UTC)
I think Louis Farrakhan said that E.M. and Fard were taken aboard a spacecraft.
- Wow. How - likely. Thanks, anyway. At least I have some idea now why this was written. Paul B 23:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The spacecraft is mentioned in the Holy Bible, in the Book of Ezekiel (Ezekiel 1:15-21, Ezekiel 10:2-17)
Chapter 1:http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%201;&version=50; Chapter 10:http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=10&version=50
To answer the question directly: "is there anyone who says he didn't die," Brother Minister Jabril Muhammad has written a book titled: "Is it possible that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is Still Physically Alive?", in which Bro. Minister Jabril Muhammad brings up evidence and experiences that support the belief that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad IS still alive.
Also, when listening to Brother Minister Louis Farrakhan speak on the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's 'death', Bro. Farrakhan consistently says "When the Honorable Elijah Muhammad DEPARTED FROM US".... Rag-time4 17:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] affected speech?
In his movie "Malcolm X", Spike Lee portrayed Elija Muhammad as speaking with an accent that sounds like a mixture of the rural U.S. South with Northern India. Yet the article clearly states that E. Muhammad was born in Georgia. Was this accent and speech pattern recorded by others? If he indeed spoke as portrayed in the film, was this eccentric speech pattern considered to have been deliberately affected by E. Muhammed to give himself an air of divine authority to his listeners, or is there another explanation, such as a speech impediment? User:Larry Siden 1:45, 6 July, 2005 (EDT)
- The Honorable Elijah Muhammad famously had what is commonly referred to as a "speech impediment". During public speaking sessions, he sometimes would ask listeners to "have patience with me" as he would say "when I got to the school house, the doors were closed." The Honorable Elijah Muhammad never made it past the third grade in the white man's school system, so his speech pattern can be difficult to understand if you do not listen to him with great love and and great focus.
- I don't believe his speech pattern gives him an air of divine authority. Quite the contrary, I think his speech pattern is one of ultimate humility. His speech pattern represents the poor black people from which he came, not those who are well educated by the white man's school system.
- The Honorable Elijah Muhammad's speech pattern was certainly recorded, as video and audio recordings are rather widely available. For the most official source, you can order directly from the Nation of Islam, here: http://store.finalcall.com/hem_cat/default.htm
- I would recommend "The theology of time" pts 1-5. This will give you not only the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's speech pattern but also these will expose you to the theology that he teaches us.
- In fact, the reason that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad selected Minister Louis Farrakhan to be his National Representative (a post Minister Louis Farrakhan still holds), is that Brother Minister Louis Farrakhan has a clear voice, one that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad felt would be able to reach those who the Honorable Elijah Muhammad himself was unable to reach due to his speech pattern.
Rag-time4 17:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This articel is in horrid NPOV form
the things sounds like a screed for NOI membership I've cleaned up a bit of it. There is much more work to do.
- Please be more careful in your work. A total re-write with a strong POV does not help the article. Please read our core policy, NPOV. -Willmcw 01:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
This is pretty highly biased. The NOI, despite their undeniably racist doctrines, were NOT comparable to the Ku Klux Klan.
- Why not? Comparable does not mean the same as identical. Paul B 23:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The comparison to the KKK is out of place, especially refering to his "rejection" of KKK policies, as if he considered adopting them. Using the term implies that the Nation of Islam was a Italic textwhiteItalic text supremecist group (and one that broke off from the KKK), which is clearly not the case. Nor is there any speculation that I know of that Elijah Muhammad modeled his organization after the KKK in any way. I plan on removing the reference. Also, someone should add something about the extra-marital affairs, which were pivotal in Malcolm X leaving the organization and an important part of both the Nation of Islam history and (obviously) Mr. Muhammad's personal life. Dzzycicero 18:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Also I can find no referrence to Fard being deported (Marcus Garvey, who influenced EM, was deported in 1927). Could someone verify any sources stating that Fard was in fact deported? Dzzycicero 18:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Oh, good god, what absurd bias
Multiple references to white "racism" but lovable Elijah -- who argued that Whites were created by an evil mad scientist -- is not himself racist.
This is one of the worst articles I've read on wikipedia. Is there some rule that Whites are to be targeted for racist rants here?
- The article certainly adopts a non-judgemental tone, but it states clearly that the NOI's doctrines were as racist as the Klan's. Paul B
That they (the NOI) were by definition racist is indisputable, and that Elijah M taught a racist doctrine is also indisputable, but there is really no reason to compare them to the Klan. As an organization they have more in common with Scientology (or with another racism based religion I can't think of any), they weren't known for participating in lynchings or killings of whites. The Klan comparison is just as off topic as it would be to mention Henry Ford here because he was also anti-Semetic.
For the record, I don't like it when white people are held to a higher historical standard than the rest, like blasting Hernando Cortez but praising Ghenghis Khan for the same thing. But that wasn't the case, IMO, at least with the Klan thing (Its different than mentioning his relationship with the American Nazi Party and Rockwell because the Nazi thing is about an actual relationship between the two groups.) Dzzycicero 07:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
- Firstly, I was defending the article as it then was against the anonymous comment above. Secondly, I clearly referred to his doctrines not his actions. Paul B 08:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Both his doctrines and actions were racist. The main reason I didn't like the Klan reference was that it stated that Muhammed 'broke' with the Klan's teachings, or something to that effect, implying that he had been previously aligned with them. The NOI, given its religous nature and seperatist stance, isn't really a mirror image of the Klan either. User: Dzzycicero
A statement can only be racist if it is not true. If there is truth in it then saying that whites came from blacks isn't a racist statement. Honestly the scientist that experimented with genetics was a black man. The nature of the whites was devilish but it came from the black men. So we really take blame for creating you when you think about it. Then we turnt our backs on you. That's not racist, plus you can scientifically prove that blacks were first.
[edit] Problems with this article
1. It contains no discussion of Muhammad's extra-marital affairs, their effect on Nation of Islam membership, and on his relationship with Malcolm X
2. The bizarre portrayal of his falling out with Malcolm X as a "father/son" spat. He gave orders to have Malcolm X killed, for god's sake. (Though it is unknown if the assassins who later killed Malcolm were there on NOI orders)
3. No discussion of his health problems or retreat to Arizona for the last fifteen (?) years of his life.
4. Still feels POV. Too much soft "great inspirational leader" stuff, not enough hard biographical facts. Uucp 16:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad NEVER gave orders to have Malcolm X killed. If he did, where is the evidence to support this claim? Good luck finding it, it doesn't exist.
- In fact, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad clearly has taught all followers against the carrying of any weaponry.
Rag-time4 17:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Revert to orignal article
rv to Graft. Wikipedia is not a propaganda forum - this is now a stub article. Please expand Justice23 03:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- That's completely out of line. A lot of people have been working on this article and it reflects a great deal of research and sophisticated thought about Muhammad and his legacy. If you have problems with it, edits are welcome but you are not right to blank it out. I have reverted it. Uucp 03:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Save it
My parents had the chance to meet the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. He was not the way any of you portrayed him. Just hate to see somebody on top without trying to be bring him down. Damn hypocrites.
