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[edit] Silpelit: Reproduction/Infection

In the article it is stated that the Silpelit are incapable of reproducing yet are able to infect humans. Just to be clear, does this mean that a full-fledged Diclonius like Lucy can give physical birth to a non-silpelit Diclonius child, while a silpelit is unable to actually give birth at all, their role being limited to simply infecting humans?

Yes that is correct. -- Psi edit 16:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd managed to get myself confused on the issue for a while there.

[edit] More Sadistic?

Lucy is depicted even more sadistic and murderous. She actually enjoys inflicting both physical and emotional pain on her victims and aggressors.

Im not sure I agree with this change in the manga. How exactly is she more sadistic. -- Psi edit 12:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

She's certainly humanised a lot more in the anime. It's probably fair to say that she's more sadistic, in that the manga version of Lucy is not as sympathetic a character. It's essentially the difference between murdering the classroom bullies for killing her beloved dog and doing it simply to get back at them. One is clearly more sadistic, although both are malicious and brutal. GrubLord 14:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I dont know. You make a good point. However I dont understand how did anime Lucy differ from manga Lucy in killing the bullies (I thought the bothy killed for the same reasons). But also what is this "physical and emotional pain" difference from the anime? -- Psi edit 22:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe it is interesting to notice that, unlike in the manga, Lucy is not shown smiling ONCE in the anime when killing people, nor when inflicting pain and suffering. There are only two instances when she's shown with a grin while in a fight: first in her first fight with Nana, she smiles when the opening to turn the tides of the battle arises, although I believe it's not a sadistic smile. I can't remember the second time now, it was somewhere near the end of the series, but it is a very faint thing, nothing like a sadistic smile. Moreover, neither situations happen in the middle of a slaughter/torture session. On the other hand, she is shown with a sadistic kind of grin almost all the time in the manga, at least until when she finishes Nana off for the first time. I believe this makes a crucial change between the manga and the anime and shouldn't be put aside, in which it gives Lucy a much more human personality, resented with the world for having been rejected (in the anime her expression is almost always of grief and resentment or hatred when with humans), and therefore makes the sad ending, together with the addition of music box very plausible and appropriate (and much better than the sci-fi, mecha, evangelion, reincarnation, spiritual kind of ending described in the manga spoilers above). In the subject of Lucy's personality and feelings at least, the manga and the anime differ greatly. -- FiReCaT 06:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Your right, the smile gives a slightly different character. And that of course the aniem is very different from the manga. -- Psi edit 19:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The note about Lucy laughing while her dog is killed in the manga seems a bit erroneous/subjective. I just read the scene and saw it as the boys laughing; Lucy's face isn't really that of laughter. Any thoughts? 72.90.235.14 01:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Emi


I thought the same of that scene. -- Psi edit 01:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lucy's nonviolence towards Kurama

Both when she passes him down the hall in the beginning, and when she is smacked by him after hurting Nana, she does not attack or retaliate, despite the fact that he has taken part in experimentations on Diclonius children. Why? (the article doesn't say)--Dch111 02:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC) (reposted here because the discussion in list of characters is empty)

Most likely, she does not kill him because he has been infected and reproduces Silpelits. Thus, Lucy's "biological programming" favors leaving him alive for the purposes of reproduction of the species. --Kuronekoyama 15:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Its explained in the Elfen Lied OVA (however it isnt spoiled at the article). However the reason she got slapped in for hurting Nana is because of Nana's perceptive ability to disable Vectors of other Diclonius, however its unknown what Lucy would have done otherwise (had her Vectors been active. The OVA will be released soon (I saw it Japanese while subtitled). -- Psi edit 02:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Both the manga and the anime imply that Lucy does not care for the reproduction of the species. How could she have knowledge of Kurama's infection. -- Psi edit 16:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

She enjoys torturing his mind. Thats why she killed the secratary after he told her to run. also note how he always tells her "i will never forgive you." there was an exact reason but i cant remeber what. Give me a couple of days to rember -TDML

She stated that she would hurt everyone that he cared about, but wouldn't kill him. She did this because she wasn't killed, but had to witness her friend die.

Yeah thats it-TDML

[edit] Where is the cameo?

Lynn Okamoto himself has a brief cameo appearance as a special guest in episode 12.

Where does he appear? (Ive watched all of the anime). -- Psi edit 02:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mariko

Where does she say 'Myu'? I don't find anything about it in the TV and 1-6 volumes? And Saito had not said about that too. But it's written in the article. 83.178.203.88 16:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I'd noticed that she said Myu in the 7-th volume.

[edit] GA Nom

I have no experience with the official review process used for Good Article nominations, but after a read-through of the article, I'd like to make a suggestion that would greatly improve the readability:

Split the gigantic section on what a Diclonius is out of the story section into Diclonius (Elfen Lied) or something similar. Right now, we have an article's worth of definition and description in the middle of what is supposed to be a description of the series intro, with no transition between them. I found the following part especially abrupt:

"Silpelits are merely expendable soldiers tasked with the complete annihilation of the homo sapiens population so that the fertile Diclonius can breed progeny to populate the planet and, therefore, becoming the dominant species.

The next day, a boy named Kouta arrives at Kamakura to meet his cousin Yuka."

Come to think of it, didn't Diclonius used to be a seperate article? What happened to that? Did it fall victim to a mergist admin? --tjstrf 07:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for Elfen Lied has failed, for the following reason:

Good work on this article - it is very thorough. However, I think it has a few problems that prevent it from becoming a Good Article at this time.

  • As Tjstrf mentioned above, the lengthy description of the Diclonius is awkwardly inserted into the Story section, and it really disrupts the article. It needs to be reorganized, or split into a new article titled Diclonius (Elfen Lied).
  • The Story section needs to be copyedited for proper grammar. It is full of non-standard phrasing and clauses that make it hard to read.

I encourage re-nominating when these are addressed. Aguerriero (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A bit of balance

See this diff. He immediately removed it (probably because this issue is also dealth with in the "Humanity" section), but when I first read it, I thought that there was a need for some balance there as well. Shinobu 22:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't removed, just moved down 1 paragraph; it's still there in the Diclonius section...And what do you mean by balance? -- (十八|talk) 23:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I must have misread the diff somehow. As for balance, I thought the diclonii were made out to be a lot more "evil" in the article than in the series. Shinobu 13:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ˈɛlfən liːt

How do u prenounce exactly "ˈɛlfən liːt"? 84.228.211.118 06:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Lingvo have informed that it sounds like ['elfin li:d] 83.178.206.174 09:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
That's not really true though. The ə is a schwa, not an i, and final consonants in Dutch and German are devoiced, so it ends in a t. Besides non-IPA pronunciation guides can easily give someone a wrong impression, since the interpretation of such guides will be very dialect dependent. It's better to have a look at International Phonetic Alphabet and the relevant articles linked from there. Shinobu 16:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Guessing from my limited knowledge of foreign words I'd say "lied" is pronounced "lee-dh" 207.114.232.98 23:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Elfen Lied body count

Talk:Elfen Lied body count. Since no-one's responded yet there, I'll make the offer here:

Is there any reason whatsoever that we need that article, since it seems to be a collection of indiscriminant information? I'm going to nominate it for AfD in all likelihood, but would like to give the editors of this category some input first. Is there some vital need for it that I'm not aware of? --tjstrf 04:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Fancruft. Shinobu 02:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kouta / Kohta / Kōta

What is Kouta's name supposed to be in the entry? "Kouta" is seen often, but Wikipedia uses the Hepburn style of romanization, or "Kōta". But ADV, the official licencee of Elfenlied uses "Kohta". I'm leaning torward replacing Kouta and Kohta with Kōta, unless other people have a good reason not to. --Wirbelwind 23:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Though I tend to go with "Kouta" myself, I think I read it somewhere that Wikipedia prefers to use the official English translation if one is available. Could someone please confirm this? ChibiKareshi 13:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yea, it is, in the Manual of Style.

Names should be romanized according to common usage (see below), which includes unconventional romanizations by licensees (e.g., Devil Hunter Yohko and Tenjho Tenge).

--Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 23:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manga

After director Kakuzawa is killed late in the manga by Lucy's own hand, Lucy tells his corpse that Diclonius are not a different species, but humans like everyone else - just born with horns and a unique power.

If I remember correctly, what Lucy said after she killed Kakuzawa, is that Kakuzawa is just a human with horns, thus not a diclonius. In vol.10, page 106, She said "That's why I can't sense our atmosphere from you", implying diclonius and humans are indeed different species. Kzaral 14:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read the manga up to this part yet, but isn't it possible this confusion was brought on by a translation error? In that case, a look at the Japanese text should clarify things. The first account of Lucy's words sounds a bit fishy to me, though. I'll check back here once I've read the other volumes (I'm reading the original Japanese version). ChibiKareshi 11:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Kzaral is correct, the statement that Lucy tells Kakuzawa that "the Diclonius are not a different species" is false. What Lucy does say is that old man Kakuzawa himself is just a human with horns and not a real Diclonius. This sentence should be removed from the article as it is invalid. ChibiKareshi 10:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If they were a different species then tell me how can they be born from normal humans like Lucy and procreate with them it quite impossible that they are a different species a proper example of a different species is blood+ chiropterans which mating with humans produces nothing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.45.39.88 (talk)

Why couldn't they be born from another species? Chicken and egg problem; and different species can produce offspring. Mules, ligers, tigons, etc. Some are even fertile. --Gwern (contribs) 23:51 12 December 2006 (GMT)

Yes there was theory in the manga some guy theorized that diclonius might have been an alien life form but that was shot down. As for different species bit humans are a bit more complex than tigers and the like for example the monkey/ape darwins theory says we evolved from it hell we may have come from it if darwins right but we cannot produce anything with it since we are so far apart in genetics. Diclonius are not like this at all there basic structure is basically the same as our own with minor changes like horns and the bigger pineal gland. in truth they are basically humans with horns and a super power. If they were born from a different species than humans they probably would not have human form they would be perhaps more beast like. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.45.39.88 (talk)

[edit] Elfen Leid 2?

I've been hearing rumours of the making of elfen leid 2, this article could mention this with more detail, if any wikipedist know if this are only rumors or if it's true, elfen leid fans want, could or should know, please mention this in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.169.14.38 (talk)

I, atleast, have heard no such rumors, and anyway Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so predicting future events that aren't confirmed aren't allowed. If it becomes confirmed, site your reputable source and add it to the article.--(十八|talk) 20:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cousin?

I was positive before it said on this page that Kouta and Yuka being cousins was a mistranslation when the Anime was made, otherwise their relationship would have been incestious and that wasn't quite right... Can someone confirm this for me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.30.15.7 (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

There was a discussion about this earlier. Read the source here. -- Psi edit 21:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diclonius Information

This is the Diclonius information taken out of the page, as it was too cluttered. The reason I put it on here is because I am a bit of a new, inexperienced member, and would prefer that someone else with more skill would create the Diclonius page everyone has been suggesting. -- LuceOmbra 13:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have reinserted the Diclonius information for now as there is no reason to take it out currently. Also, I am against creating a seperate Diclonius article since it's just fine where it is in the main article. Also you say "everyone's been suggesting" but just who are you talking about?--(十八|talk) 14:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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