User talk:Ekajati

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Contents 1 Archives 2 Nonsense 3 Lu Sheng-yen 4 RfC on Mattisse/Timmy12 5 Post on AN/I 6 One for your kartika 7 Thanks for adding the category 8 Mattisse RfC 9 Starwood mediation 10 Singing Bowl & Namkha & Phurba 11 Ganachakra 12 WikiProject Tibetan Buddhism 13 Deletions 14 Starwood 15 Musart 16 Skip Ellison 17 Interesting 18 Jahbulon 19 Starwood Link History 20 Tantra massage 21 Jahbulon again 22 Ars Scriptor 23 Re: Indian rock cut architecture

[edit] Archives

• Archive 1 (April 2006 - Sept 2006)
• Archive 2 (Sept 2006 - Oct 2006)

[edit] Nonsense

Please stop being a Dick. At least check the diffs before reverting article improvements.

Grow up, Stalker Boy. What improvements would those be? "It's famous, I swear it is!" Or did you slip in a link to the Starwood Festival while I wasn't looking? Need those Google hits! --Calton | Talk 19:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh huh. And the notability? Once again, "Because I said"? Not a Wikipedia-approved source. At least check the tags before removing them, Stalker Boy. --Calton | Talk 19:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

An accredited educational institute authorized by the state to confer a Master's degree is notable

And the state standards for a "Master's degree" are what, then? --Calton | Talk 19:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like the topic for an article about education in Washington State. Feel free to research and write.

I know this may be difficult for you, but try being intellectually honest instead of blathering about irrelevancies. In words of few syllables: you claim a "Master's degree" automatically equals notability, skipping over whether "Master's degree" has a relevant meaning.

However, the precise definition is not needed... Since I never asked for a "precise definition", it's difficult to tell whom you're arguing with. Hint: making up arguments and attributing them to someone you're arguing with isn't on the up and up.

...to establish that a school is reputable and notable within its field and state. See, that's where the whole "reliable sources" bit comes in, and "because I said so" fails. --Calton | Talk 20:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you just earned yourself a block for 3RR unless you revert

Ah, so you'd rather rely on ruleslawyering than backing up your claims, eh? I know this may be difficult for you, but try intellectual honesty, Stalker Boi, you'll feel better about yourself. I guess now you can insert whatever spamlinks you like, eh? --Calton | Talk 20:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Calton, I would advise you treat the user with dignity and respect. Incivilty shouldn't be tolerated on wikipedia.--Certified.Gangsta 06:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lu Sheng-yen

Thanks for your help. That is much better work than I could have done on the topic. —Hanuman Das 15:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on Mattisse/Timmy12

Hello. Just letting you know that an RfC has been opened on Mattisse, here. As it provides strong circumstantial evidence that Timmy12 is a sockpuppet of Mattisse intentionally using two computers to evade checkuser, I thought you might want to comment. I don't really care what side you weigh in on, but I know you've been in a position to observe at least part of the situation and any view would be helpful. —Hanuman Das 11:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

OK I've removed your name from point 7. --Salix alba (talk) 22:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. You may be right, an RfC against Timmy12 might have been a better idea... —Hanuman Das 15:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post on AN/I

Your most recent post on AN/I was removed by another user (the reason given was that help requests are inappropriate on AN/I). If you want to request an admin action not connected to an incident, you may want to post on the main Administrator's noticeboard. --ais523 15:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One for your kartika

Rudolf Steiner's views on race and ethnicity —Hanuman Das 06:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Nothing at all to do on my watchlist this AM. Somebody must be doing something right. I noticed your additions to Namkhai Norbu. I thought you didn't know all that much about Buddhism.... Ekajati (yakity-yak) 14:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for adding the category

To Indian rock cut architecture. If I can't find a category on another article to copy, then I'm at a lost how to find one. So, thanks! Mattisse(talk) 22:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, maybe you can keep your eye on it because I don't know anything about hierarchies either. I know they exist -- that it is important what order the categories are in, right? Is the most general category supposed to go on the bottom, then work it's way up to more specific, or the other way arount, or does it matter? I should pay more attention to that, but when I look at articles I can't tell why the categories are in a particular order. Mattisse(talk) 22:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

In songs some seem to have a dozen cateories: song:1953, song:single, song:blues, song:American, song:Elvis Presley, song:hot 100, song:songwriter Johnny Mercer, song:Hall of Fame etc., even song:Mississippi -- I'm not being accurate here but you get the drift. I'm glad there are people like you that take care of all that! So, thanks again! Mattisse(talk) 23:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mattisse RfC

Would you possibly reconsider signing the Mattisse RfC? Hanuman Das has dropped out, but you also tried to resolve the issue, so can endorse it... -999 (Talk) 17:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I can understand and respect your position. Seems like Timmy12 is gone, but if he comes back and repeats the same multiple driveby tagging without discussion, I may go ahead and open an RfC on it. I have seen other users who do the same blocked really quickly (e.g. InnerJustice (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log)) and I'm not sure why Timmy12 shouldn't also be. -999 (Talk) 17:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Speak of the devil... I see just after posting this that Timmy12 is back and posting crazy paranoia on the Mediation page... -999 (Talk) 17:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Starwood mediation

Several parties are trying to do an endrun around the mediation process (after it has worked, no less). Please add your input to the "consensus" they are falsely trying to create on the mediation page. —Hanuman Das 02:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Singing Bowl & Namkha & Phurba

Ekajati: as a protector of the teaching of Dzogchen and non-duality please have a look over my edits to Singing Bowl, Namkha and Phurba for probity. I noticed you edited Trul Khor and thought you may be interested. Thanking you in anticipation B9 hummingbird hovering 01:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ganachakra

Ekajati: i noticed you contend the relationship between yab-yum and sex magic in the discussion section of ganachakra. So what were Padmasambhava and Mandarava and Yeshe Tsogyal doing in those caves? I would like to establish linkages between both articles and I invite dialogue with you to establish a workable solution. Namaste B9 hummingbird hovering 02:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Tibetan Buddhism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tibetan_Buddhism This has not been very active but it may be of interest. Sylvain1972 21:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions

I was just discussing some of the recent deletions and attempts at the same with Hanuman Das of articles I had created. Two of them, Robert Lee "Skip" Ellison and Taylor Ellwood, must have been speedy deletions (I suspect by Pigman) that I missed out on the discussion of. (By the way, what's the story on creating a watchlist?) I think they were notable, especially Skip, and he pointed out that he's on the "article needed" list in the Neo-Paganism project page. Is there someplace I could find my original text, or is it lost in the ozone? Maybe I could beef them up and re-submit.

Two more that were targetted were Sally Eaton and George R. Harker, but the response was so overwhelming to keep them that the challenge was dropped. One more currently being considered is Tannin Schwartzstein, which you may wish to weigh in on. I must admit, however, that her's is the weakest case of the lot, at least by virtue of the information I've been able to gather. Pigman has, however, declared that he believes that at least a third of the articles I've created lack notability and should be deleted (and of course all the internal links).

By the way, I've just added my name to the Neo-Pagan project page. Rosencomet 02:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Starwood

Thanks for your response. I've set up a mediation page at Talk:Starwood Festival/mediation where I've addressed the issues raised on my talk page.

Peace! - Che Nuevara 06:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Musart

I posted this on Che's talk page, too.

I find this to be rather bizarre, and a good example of how the folks on the other side of this issue have had a pattern of manipulating things either for their own amusement or to put the actual editors of the articles in question in a bad light. I had nothing to do with the Musart article, which was created by "Flinders", apparently a sock-puppet. He/she also created the Ann Hill & Anne Hill articles, claiming she was a "frequent speaker at the Starwood Festival" (she exists, but has never appeared at Starwood). At one point the name Anne Rice was changed to Anne Hill. (Someone also accused me of linking to and messing with the Andrew Cohen article, though as far as I know it was never linked to the Starwood page, nor did he appear there.)

I'm not saying Musart isn't deserving of an article, and I could create one, but this one had only two facts that were not false: the very first line ("Musart is a musical art company founded by Muruga Booker."), and the links to the Musart website. (Pigman, oddly enough, just took down those links.) The rest of the article seems to be a cut & paste job from part of the Starwood Festival article as it stood at the time of the Musart's article's creation. (Muruga Booker actually asked me about it in a conversation 2 days ago, assuming I had created it, and wondered why the content was so very wrong.) This kind of behavior - fake articles linked to Starwood, constant demands for citations, subsequent accusations that the citations constituted linkspam and google-bombing - all seems to have started with Matisse just 7 days after my first contribution to a Wikipedia article. Rosencomet 17:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm trying to find a civil way of putting this: I believe it would be helpful and useful to Wikipedia if you spent a little more time contributing edits and verifiable information to articles and a little less time worrying about other editor's actions as sockpuppets. Whether a sock of Mattisse started the Musart article is immaterial to my mind, no one owns the page. My current concern is that there is no supporting documentation for this event/group. I just want to know it's a real event because I've never heard of it. (My having heard of it isn't a test of its notability, I just don't know.) I'm not asking for citations up the whazoo, just something. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 19:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skip Ellison

Could you tell me if the original text for the deleted article I created on Robert Lee "Skip" Ellison still exists somewhere that I could cut & paste it from? Also, on the Starwood Mediation issue, I think Pigman might have a point regarding the Association for Consciousness Exploration links. I would be willing to take them down, except a few where they're obviously pertinent (like the Starwood Festival and WinterStar Symposium articles themselves). Should I, or would this be a bad idea while the mediation is going on? Rosencomet 17:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it on answers.com. The page is up now. Robert Lee "Skip" Ellison. Rosencomet 19:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting

I came across an article written by User:LiftWaffen called What Witches Do, about a book by Stewart Farrar. LiftWaffen both created the article, with a link to the Starwood Festival, then added a link to ACE. I never saw the article before. What's particularly interesting is that LiftWaffen is, evidentally, a sock of Matisse who has been permanently blocked! If the issue of the links to Starwood ends up boiling down, in part, to there being too many (which IMO is why a few admins think there is an issue at all), it would be good to know just how many such links were created by Matisse and Co., like the Musart article and this one. (And do books often get their own articles? Well, I suppose a few are very influential in and of themselves: Moby Dick, A Christmas Carol, Stranger in a Strange Land, Catcher in the Rye, The Bible...)Rosencomet 00:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jahbulon

Care to take a look to see if you think the article is encyclopedic? I've opened 2 RfCs to bring in some fresh blood. I think only one or two editors are insisting on keeping the tag on the article. —Hanuman Das 04:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Starwood Link History

Posted on Ars Scriptor & Che's talk pages.

A couple of fellow editors suggested that I appraise you of these facts. I realize I have already posted some of this information, but for the sake of organizing it I will put it all here together. I'm sorry if it's long.

The following information is just to show that while Matisse was wildly tagging articles linked to Starwood Festival with "citation needed" tags, later to call on many editors to help in a campaign to delete them, then have them taken down as linkspam and google-bombing, she was ALSO CREATING articles with links to Starwood Festival herself, then calling them to the attention of other editors as examples of how there were too many articles linked to it and that I was "out of control". I believe that most of the objections by editors other than Matisse and socks of Matisse (who have weighed in multiple times in discussions about both the links and the notability of individual articles I've written in order to create the illusion that she had major support in the Wiki community) were swayed, in great part, by this campaign to create a "Major Problem" where one did not exist. (Ironic, since a running theme of the event is conspiracy theory & the Illuminati...)

1. The Musart article (linked to Starwood Festival, Association for Consciousness Exploration, and WinterStar Symposium) was created August 25th by Flinders, a sock of Matisse, 12 days after my first Wiki input. The Answers.com text mentioned below about Musart (point 6) is obviously cribbed from the Wiki article she created, yet she speaks as if she "found" this evidence that this issue is not minor!

2. The "What Witches Do" article was created on September 3rd by LiftWaffen, another Matisse sock. She returned the next day to add a link to Association for Consciousness Exploration.

3. Andrew Cohen, mentioned below by Matisse on Salix Alba's page as a "Starwood Speaker", has never appeared at Starwood nor has his page been linked to the Starwood page.

4. There are links to Musart on the "Chalino Sánchez" and "Lucero" articles that I believe are incorrect, and probably refer to the record company DiscosMusart, which has no Wiki article.

5. Here is what Matisse said to BostonMa about Musart in November:

hopeless mediation

Hi. I wrote a question on the Starwood Mediation page and got an unsatisfactory answer from Rosencomet. Plus I notices another article waiting in the wings: Musart. Do you think we should ask for another mediator? Ours seems to be missing in action. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I must agree. It is hopeless and would be a waste of your time. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

6. This was posted on Salix Alba's talk page the same day:

Hi again! Check out Musart. it is waiting in the wings to have bunches of names added. Mattisse(talk) 01:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Check this out [16] from Answers.com If, by chance, you think this is minor. Mattisse(talk) 03:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

And 8 days later:

Maybe you would weigh in on the Andrew Cohen talk page (a Starwood Festival speaker) as there is a discussion on what type of links to include as external links. The particular link in question may not be a good example to defend, but at least it's the start of a general discussion. Mattisse(talk) 16:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

7. Now this one was on Pigman's talk page just a few days ago. I've included Ekajati's comment.

I just ran across this: Musart. The links at the bottom are bad. One goes nowhere. The other pertains if anything to this: Musart Records -- which I wrote (not very well) trying to sort out the problem regarding various (legitimate) artists whose articles list this label -- none of which are in that list on Musart. What to do? Perhaps you know. Thank you. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

As you can see, it's the usual Starwood Festival crowd listed. I wonder if this is hopeless. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, now this is not funny, Mattisse. That article, as you have to know, was started by Flinders, who was confirmed by CheckUser as one of your sockpuppets. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

8. This non-explanation of the creation of the Musart article was posted on BostonMa's talk page. I've included Hanuman Das' input:

I clicked on the name, Flinders, and it was identified as a sockpuppet of my account. I don't know what else to say. I was not aware of all the accounts identified as mine - rather I should say I recognise the names now but I don't always know what they have done. I am not clear what was going on at that time. At the time I explained my role in the matter. The result is though that I am not always aware when one of my sockpuppets created an article. If will explain the situation in any degree of detail you desire. I don't know what level of detail is appropriate here. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 16:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Further explanation: That I personally did not create the sockpuppets but they were created on my computer, as proved by CheckUser. There was an unusual sitation. Relatives, including my daughter and her children, suddenly were in my house. In the middle of this was when I was doing backlogs in the wikify bin (to get away from real life stress) and AFD'd Philip Farber. This was just after Netsnipe had identified a suite of similar articles and ADFed the whole suite. I asked him what to do but he was busy with his admin election. I used bad judgment and tagged too many articles. 999 attacked me. I became upset, being already upset because of outside events. I talked about it too much to my visitors, none of whom were involved with Wikipedia. I don't know really what happened. Part of what was going on here meant that I was not home always. I do know that I left my granddaughter alone, at that time not realising that Wikipedia was such a dangerous place, so she did somethings on Wikipedia unsupervised. I guess I should look back and see exactly what. Someone emailed me that she put her age on her user page and that I should delete that. I tried but was not allowed. Then an admin believed she was my granddaughter and did delete it or do something with it. To tell you the truth, I don't really want to know what these various accounts did because it starts to give me bad feelings about my family -- whether they were trying to harm me or help me I don't know. And it has affected our relationship since then. Let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Please excuse me for butting in here, but this is the same excuse she used for the previous sockpuppet incident (pre-Rosencomet). See Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Listerin. I believe that User:Salix alba was involved in that incident. —Hanuman Das 17:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the discussion and I don't quite get what I did that was so wrong. I asked Paul Pigman a question. At the time I didn't know it was a Flinders article. Flinders did whatever in the past. In any case, I would not have done anything to a Starwood article myself. That is why I asked someone. If I repeat the same story regarding events around that time, what else should I do? It's only because Musart Records came up on my watch list as "unsourced" that I even looked at it. Because I write and edit so many record label articles, I did not get the connection at first. I do not understand this place. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

9. I must say that this is a pretty bizarre situation. Matisse has used sock-puppets for a long time to disrupt the work of a number of editors in various ways, and seems to openly admit it here, and I find that strange enough (since, perhaps because I'm a newcomer, I just don't see what she gets out of this kind of behavior except sowing anger and frustration among hard-working volunteers), but phrases like "I was not aware of all the accounts identified as mine - rather I should say I recognise the names now but I don't always know what they have done." or "I am not always aware when one of my sockpuppets created an article" make me wonder how she can EVER be held accountable for what she does. It sounds bi-polar to me (I'm not diagnosing, just saying what it sounds like). She seems not to know what she has done, or perhaps even what she is doing. In a different way, I find the attempt to shift the blame to unspecified family members even more disturbing.

Matisse seems to have a talent for creating trouble and drawing well-meaning people into the fray. I don't see how the issue under mediation can be discussed without at least airing these facts, and allowing those who have been swayed to believe that there is a serious situation that must be nipped in the bud to understand that, at least to some extent, it has not only been exaggerated but increased and manipulated by the very person that brought it to their attention and enlisted their help. Rosencomet 00:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tantra massage

Could you add to your watchlist? Some massage therapist from Austin, TX is trying to use a non-encyclopedic unverified article to promote his own massage studio. He doesn't seem to understand the problem with this... —Hanuman Das 05:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, at the moment I have not enough time to explain you the case... Please be patient and I will add some more information about the theme. Meanwhile you can inform you in the German Wikipedia about the reasons for the deletion the topic! --Edi Goetschel 15:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I found the link for the discussion about the deletion in the German Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/24. November 2006. It's an old story that the German Tantramassage Association, which has only a very small number of members, tries to define and represent what the so called Tantramassage is and invented a history about it that isn't true at all (Andro as inventor of this massage etc.). In the German speaking countries most of the so called Tantramassage is just a another word for a sort of prostitution. --Edi Goetschel 15:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jahbulon again

Oh, and if you could keep an eye on this article too. Someone seems to be removing cited information from it. I'd rather not be the only one putting it back. —Hanuman Das 05:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I have opened a discussion on the AfD talkpage you may be interested in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LessHeard vanU (talk • contribs) 00:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Oh, and the AfD on Thelemapedia seems to be deadlocked, if you happen to have an opinion. —Hanuman Das 06:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ars Scriptor

I just clicked on User:Ars Scriptor, and got a notice saying that he/she had retired. Rosencomet 16:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Indian rock cut architecture

Thanks for noticing and reverting the removal of dates on the article. I hadn't picked up on that. What do you think of the categories? The cave/temples can be Buddhist, Jain, Hindu . . . Sincerely, Mattisse 16:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)