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	To-do list for Egypt:	edit - history - watch - refresh
	Adding information on the ancient Canal of the Pharoahs (now stubbed in as Canal of the Pharaohs) which dated back to the early Egyptian Kingdom period, was improved significantly by Rameses the Great (II), was uninterned (sic) by Cyrus the Great, and maintained and improved during Roman times; eventually swallowed again by the desert sands circa the early middle ages such that it was viable perhaps up into the early Islamic period. Stimulus + Base info--History channel on Suez canal. This all needs researched, specifics nailed down, and then written into the article. The earliest canal apparently cut across to the Nile from the Suez lakes from circa or annedating 1500 BC.

Contents 1 Films shot in Egypt 2 Arab identity 3 Egypt in Africa 4 Population Ranking 5 GA Review 6 Population

[edit] Films shot in Egypt

I don't know if this is the place to put it but, the films shot in Egypt section is the same as the climate section, which has the correct information.

[edit] Arab identity

I do not agree with friends that have expressed their opinions up there. The term Arab is really undefined and unclear. If it is just explain it. That was just I wanted. This is not racism. Why are you accusing people without any evidence and support. As a non-Arab, I wonder how Egyptians and others like Syrians called them Arab...? For example in the Latin American, they don't believe that they have a special relation with Spain and Spanish people. Their are Latins who were affected by Spanish culture . Be logical. Stay logical. Even Iran and Pakistanis and other countries could have been practicing Arabic and switching Arabic languages instead of their own languages. Would you then have called them Arabs? Although so-called Arabs and Kurds and Iranians and other middle Easterners have almost the same culture with same hospitality and kindness and history, they are different indeed. Egyptians are different that Syrians. The people who try to join them that way with force are really illogical. They may try to do sth better.

secondly, exactly on contrary to what just you said, that is racism that people who call themselves Arab stress on this issue. Usually those people are accused of racism because they don't treat Kurds and Iranians and Pakistanis and Jews nice. Every logical person would confirm my claim. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by . 213.42.21.77 (talk • contribs).

The question of identity rests on factors not always having to do with origins. Arab identity today is for the most part a nationalist concept. Egyptians in fact were not described as "Arab" in medieval literature, such Maqrizi's, until the 19th century but as either Egyptians or occasionally Copts (inc. Muslims). Egyptians, in the majority, were simply Muslims. It was commonly understood that an Arab in Egypt was a member of the Bedouin and Ashraf minorities, or an inhabitant of the Arabian Peninsula. So it's true that most of those who would consider themselves Arab today are not Arab in origin. Arab nationalists will maintain that anyone who speaks Arabic is automatically an Arab (though it's arguable whether there is only one "Arabic" ). In Egypt (and Lebanon), this question however has been frequently debated. Nasser popularized the idea in Egypt, though when Sadat came to power it was once again relegated. Most Egyptian anti-colonial nationalists until the 30s or 40s were disengaged from Arabism and the newly constructed "Arab world" (the former Ottoman Empire), and some like Mustafa Kamil were openly hostile to the idea. It's a long discussion with strong and heated opinions on each end of the spectrum. If you ask two Egyptians whether they consider themselves Arab, you'll probably get three different answers! For a critique of Arab nationalism from an Egyptian point of view, see Leila Ahmed. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · t 18:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Egypt in Africa

I want to ask a question: someone told me that Egypt should not really be considered as a African country because Egyptians do not really consider themselves to be Africans. How would Egyptians respond to this?

Although not Egyptian myself, I can speak as a Brit as my country has a similar feeling. Many Britons have no sense of identity with Europe - we are British, not European. But geographically, Britain is in Europe, so it's considered a European country. I'd say similar about Eygpt being an African country, regardless of what sense of identity the population has. NeilSenna 14:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I am an African-American and Egypt is an African nation. Arabs did not move in until the 9th century common era. They may not consider themselved Egyptian, but the anciety Egyptians were not Arab or White. The face of the Spinx still has dark brown face paint on its side with the face of a "Negroid". Many feel that Egypt has set up its own version of an apartheid goverment to suppress Blacks and all other ethnic groups there.

There is certainly no face-paint on the sphinx - none could have survived in the open over all this time (along with regular sand-storm blasting). Of course, face-paint does survive on many egyptian statues found in tombs. They vary dramatically in pigmentation. Egypt is, of course in Africa, but that's a fact of our geographical categories, not racial or cultural ones. It's a transitional loation. Paul B 17:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

i'm not egyptian,..and it's obviuos that egyptians don't consider themeselves africans.., i'm moroccan and this is the same feeling across north africa (algeria, tunisia, libya..), we share the same culture, language, religion and tradition which have nothing to do with been located geographycally in africa...;--Yunis79 12:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population Ranking

In the introduction paragraphs it is stated that Egypt is the fifteenth most populous country, but in the summary sidebar it is said to be ranked 16 in population. Which one is it?

Answer: It is the 15th most populous country.

[edit] GA Review

The Good Article review on this article has ended, with a 3 to 1 vote, this article has been relisted. (The 1 against was the anon who first delisted) Primarily, this was because this anon appears to of just randomly delisted it, that's not right :/. Review archived at Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 8, I think there's a few suggestions in there for the article as well. Homestarmy 20:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population

Nowadays in Egypt it is noticed that the population is increasing day by day whereas the population in South Africa is being less. Is that true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.184.50.144 (talk • contribs).