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He was Lord of Biscay, wasn't he? -- Error

The famous "Ich dien" motto is not German (where it would be "Ich diene"), but Welsh for something like "here is the boy" isn't it?

"Ich Dien" is definately not Welsh!! I think you'll find it is Germanic - Rhys Griffiths (Freeman of Llantrisant, decendent of the Llantrisant Bowmen who were granted freeman status for their roles in Crecy and Agincourt!!)

"Ich dien" is just a short form of the german "Ich diene". Anyway it is german from the year 13xx, so you cannot compare it with today's german.

Was he black?

No, Edward was white, Black Prince was a nickname he posthumusly got. Rumours for it is that he wore Black armour. Mightberight/wrong 16:00, 28 October 2005

Was the 1st season of blackadder based on edward?

== Ethnicity...

http://www.100greatblackbritons.com/bios/queen_phillipa.html

This alludes to a mixed ancestry. Any thoughts?

This is based on a reference to Queen Philippa's dark complexion in 'Michael Packe's book on Edward III' according to the Black britons site. Needless to say none of her Great Great Grand parents was black, and I couldn't be bothered to go back any futher back. The must obvious source of the 'Black Prince'nickname must surely be his black 'arms of peace' which alternate with his quartered Lions/Fleurs de lys on his tomb.

Chris Gidlow

[edit] What did Edward die of?

What did the Black Prince die of? My quess is cancer. I'd like to see other theories on his demise, posted. Mightberight/wrong 16:04, 28 October 2005. He also might have died of natural causes, but who knows for sure?

Isn't dying of natural causes at age 46 a bit strange (even in the year 1376)? Mightberight/wrong 17:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC).

Well, disease would certainly do it, but the Black Prince seemed to have a long, wasting disease. The ODNB entry on him provides no clue as to what he died of. I've heard somewhere that the campaign in Spain (in 1367) ruined his health, and that he got some long, wasting, infectious disease while there. But I'm not really sure. john k 19:38, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Looking around, some of the guesses as to his illness include amoebic dysentery, malaria, and cirrhosis (brought on by hepatitis?) Choess 04:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Dropsy is generally accepted and he was actually 45,but close to turning 46.

After looking it over, Richard Barber also statesw that it was almost certainly dysentry. Becauser of source conflict, we may never know. By the way, the dictionary of ancient and medieval warfare stated dropsy without doubt in its summary.

And now for my 3rd staement; as said by Tuchman, infactious dysentery turned into dropsy.

[edit] Good gracious!

This page needs to be edited. Stat. The grammar in the latter half of the entry is atrocious -- I can barely make out half of the sentences. I'll do my part to clean it up wherever I can, but I do think that someone with a deeper historical background (I'm but a novice) ought to check up on this page and verify some of the information (and the tone in which it's) presented.

Firebreeze 18:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

not to mention the ridiculous amount of parentheses, making the whole article look like it's a clumsily annotated first draft. -supine 02:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

sorted some of the grammar and fixed the article's spelling, but it still needs a lot of clean-up in fact I might tag it as such... Trent 900 08:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

OK I've gone through it, fixed spelling and grammar, cleaned up a load of (parentheses) by either using subordinate clauses or breaking sentences into more manageable chunks, and merged the list of military activities with the descriptions of their significance to make it more readable. This last section I've also waded through the sentences to try to extract the meaning, if you disagree with my interpretation of the original text or know better please, please feel free change it, this article while at least it now makes sense is still badly in need of sources and citations which I, as a mere passer-by, am unable to give. That was a big job. Trent 900 10:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

thanks for that! It really needed it. -- (James McNally) (talkpage) 09:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Im the anonymous writer of most of this article, including the complete latter half....and may I say, thanks for clearing up the grammar. I admit I wrote it in draft fashion, and did not check its quality after finshing. But I dont know why you would question it; it is not farfetched in any way (what I wrote). As for the citations, here you are:

Richard Barber's "The Black Prince" (published by Sutton)
David Nicolle's "Crecy 1346" (published by osprey)
David Nicolle's "Poitiers 1356" (published by osprey)

Also, that was a good rewriting (if that is a word), but you badly misinterpreted the Najera campaign and fair bit of the chivalry section, but I have fixed that. It should be in better grammar now.

The tag is probably is no longer need, but then again you may as well check the books for accuracy.

Here is another source; Robert Hardy's "Longbow"

Near the bottom there is a word I don't get. "revelealed" Revealed? If I knew what was meant, I would fix it. leesonma 19 June 2006

Could not be anything but revealed.

OK, I fixed that, and a couple of other quibbles. I'm still not clear what this means... "demonstrated via the massed use of infantry strongholds" ... in that same last paragraph. It may be a perfectly clear use of the terms, IF I knew what "infantry strongholds" were. Does he mean "massive"? Leesonma 01:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

What I trying to make out is an explanation in summary of David Nicolle.

The French used massed heavy cavalry, dismounted men-at-arms and crossbowmen; charging them aimlessly to their 'chivalric' deaths like soldiers of the somme. The English used peasents and dismounted men-at arms as closely linked 'battles' (battalions), with strong communication, cannons, longbows, stakes in the ground, flank protecting obstacles of carts (as an example), hedgehog balls, ditches, natural cover like hedges, potholes, natural obstacles like hills, marshes and small gaps in the woods, etc.

What Im saying is that the English were symbollically like machine gunners in trenches on bayonets. They were massed infantry being very successful against the supposed superior knights.