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[edit] Summarised old discussion
For neatness, I will summarise the previous discussion:
- Q:Should this particular Eastbourne take priority over others (see Eastbourne (disambiguation)) in terms of naming?
- A:Yes. It is older, more populous, more notable in terms of cultural references, politics, history, and sport. No dissenting opinions have been expressed as yet.
- IMSoP 19:49, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Questionable additions
I have removed the following addition from the article, because I'm not sure of it's veracity:
It is also famous for having over 35 millionaires and is the birth place of jack dee (comedian) Toploader (band) Some of the biggest ethinc minorities are, Filipinos, Chinese, Greeks, Italians.
- I've never heard of Eastbourne being "famous" for its number of millionaires, and "over 35" seems odd without a reference to back it up; a quick search on Google did turn up this PDF claiming 114 millionaires, although the stated postcode (BN20) is actually composed primarily of the rural area to the West of Eastbourne (it touches Old Town, including my house, but I doubt that's where the millionaires are).
- According to the bbc.co.uk Guide to Comedy, Jack Dee was born "in Petts Wood, near Orpington, south-east of London"
- Toploader really did come from here, but as one-hit wonders, do they merit a mention? Perhaps if the article gets rearranged a little we could accomodate them somehow...
- The 2001 UK Census lists Chinese as the most significant ethnic minority, with just 443 members (which I make roughly 0.5% of the population); there may well be a handful of Filipinos, and I personally know Greeks, Germans, and Iranians, but listing all those would IMHO present an incorrect picture of a town which is (by my calculations on that census data) 96.6% white, with no one group occupying the remainder.
As ever, any comments welcome. - IMSoP 13:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
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- * Should the fact that Roger Moore used to live there and Eddie Izzard attended Eastbourne College be included?? - swedishdave
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- "Eastbourne was recently found to be the 52nd most dangerous place to live in England and Wales in the study "Urban Crime Rankings" (2006). However, as there were only 55 towns in the study, Eastbourne is also the 4th safest place to live." whoever wrote this is a genious! Swedishdave 12:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- I've removed that sentence, as coming 52nd out 55 really doesn't mean much - I mean, would Eastbourne still have been 52nd out of 155? Or would it have been 152nd? - IMSoP 13:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tourist PR talk
OK, I know that Eastbourne is part of the tourist industry, but this article tends very much towards PR: But then that may be because I am a Hastings man myself? Peter Shearan 09:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Note of Additions
- I added the local free magazines website (East Magazine) to the links section. - swedishdave
[edit] Hastings Direct Tennis Competition
The Hastings Direct company isn't based in Hastings, it is actually based in it's neighbouring town of Bexhill-on-Sea.
Freshprince 13:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh please! not it's neighbouring town .... Peter Shearan 09:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Brighton Uni
The part of brighton uni is not in polegate, it is actually in Willingdon, which is part of eastbourne, as polegate is a seperate town and not part of eastbourne.
- Wha'? The only parts of Brighton Uni I can think of are in Meads, right the other side of town from both Polegate and Willingdon. Incidentally, Willingdon is not usually considered part of Eastbourne - it's actually governed by Wealden District Council - though the distinction is certainly vague for many purposes. - IMSoP 01:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed non-notable
I've taken out the following, as I'm not convinced it's noteworthy enough to include. If "BBD Ninjutsu" means something significant, then it needs to be explained and/or linked, as the wording seems like little more than a local club:
- Eastbourne is also home to the BBD Ninjutsu Admin center. Based in "Battle Orders" and co-ordinated by Graham Barton.
- IMSoP 13:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
what ive wrote on eastbourne is true, i know because im a native of this town, who ever is disagreeing obviously has never been to eastbourne
now whoever keeps changing the work ive done, stop it.
- Since you weren't logged in when you left that comment (see Wikipedia:Why create an account?), I can't see which contributions you made, and therefore discuss why they were reverted or modified. Certainly most of the information I've seen added recently is true, but a lot of it is not particularly encyclopedic. But like I say, I've no idea what you added, so I can't answer your particular case unless you go into more detail.
- Meanwhile, I've just removed a further non-notable addition, as follows; I'm not sure "the only retail business of its type in East Sussex" really qualifies as "unique", and it smacks of advertising to me. I'm happy to be corrected, though, or to discuss my reasoning.
"Eastbourne has some unique businesses, Semantics Glass Engraving Studio hand engraves glass and is the only retail business of its type found in East Sussex."
- Oh, I'm not sure about the neutrality of this one either; the "grandeur" of Beachy Head comes from the fact that is a ginormous chalk cliff, not from any particular feature (which, despite living here for 20 years, I recognise neither by name nor description). I'm a little bit shy of removing the fact that it fell down (although, you know, that's what chalk cliffs do!), but I think it needs much thought in wording.
"Beachy Head lost much of its grandeur in 2001 when, following a winter of heavy rains, the Devil's Chimney a distinctive pinnacle of chalk that dominated the cliffs, collapsed into the sea."
- - IMSoP 14:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Current problems with this article
Firstly, thanks on behalf of our readers to those who have expanded this article so much. It's now reached the size, however, where we need to start making some decisions.
The main point I want to raise is organisation; right now, the article is divided into 14 sections, and while there is plenty of text to support each one, some of them do seem to overlap, leading the same information to appear in more than one place. For instance:
- 'Reputation' is mainly about tourism, but we also have a 'Leisure and Recreation'...
- Are 'Parks' not 'Leisure and Recreation'? And do we need to say so much about them anyway?
- 'Culture' includes appearances in film and TV, a couple of notable residents, and a museum; a mish-mash, really...
- 'Trivia' is an unfortunate catch-all heading, and much of this should now be in individual sections - either existing or new. Much of it is also unattributed, which is a shame with some of the more statistical items.
- 'Events' is hard to distinguish from 'Leisure and Recreation', 'Culture', and the current contents of 'Reputation'; obviously, Airbourne is an event, but does the fact that the LPO visit annually really belong in the same section?
I notice that WikiProject UK geography has a list of suggested sections on their How to write about settlements page; perhaps this could be the basis for restructuring.
I think we do also need to be careful not to include non-notable information, particularly things which you would put in a promotional leaflet but could do so for any town. Sections like 'Economy', 'Sports', 'Education', and 'Transport' are particularly hard to present neutrally, because those who know about them will generally be local residents for whom the traffic is particularly annoying, the sports teams particularly fun, etc. We need to ask ourselves: is the traffic busy compared to other towns; are there significantly more, or less, or different, sports teams than in other towns; etc. If the answer's no, we can probably leave a lot of it to the reader's imagination.
OK, I've waffled on long enough about what I think's wrong; I should point out both that there is much that I think is good, and that I am fully aware that some of the problems are my own fault. It's just that the article's on the scale now that it's getting hard to just weigh in and fix it all.
So, what are your thoughts? - IMSoP 18:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I wrote about george 3rds children spending time in eastbourne which started the town of as a resort centre, someone wiped it off, i wrote an article about the reddoubt fortress, someone changed it complety, and about the minority groups, one only has to walk about the town and see minoritie groups, and the chinese ARE THE LARGEST minority group so someone who comment on that obviously did not read it properly. for those arguing about the location of brighton uni, its in the meads and the sports field is in willingdon. and IMSOP are you sure you live in this town, because your talking crap, and writing info thats far from true.
