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[edit] Relativity

Relativity was not "made up in school one day", and in fact is one of the most important scientific advances of the 20th century. I gather that you don't approve of it, but do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. --EMS | Talk 14:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, lighten up. a) it was obviously a joke and b) what's the "disruption" on a Talk page. --Dweller 15:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
You need to see user talk:Der alte Hexenmeister. Let's just say that there are plenty of people out there who seriously would agree with your posting, and it is a nuisance when they show up here. As for disruption, I was refering to the implied possibility of your initiating an AfD on the article. However, even this joke is mildly disruptive in that it forces people to respond. --EMS | Talk 17:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
OK. I'm sorry. --Dweller 21:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. It was a relief to realize that you were not even serious. It actually was a bit humorous, and the lack of bile in it marked both you and it as something different from the usual trolling the we occasionally get here. Unfortunately, those of us who watch that page have to take that type of threat seriously. --EMS | Talk 21:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Once you explained, I was happy to do what I could. I have no intentions to inadvertently stamp my way into a minefield. (Hmmm... note to self, nice metaphor, reuse!) I've reverted the page, deleting my contribution. Even though I thought it was one of my wittier moments. --Dweller 21:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userpage

It is rather good isn't it! But I'm just in the processing of nicking it myself! I came across it on Kittybrewster's userpage, haven't looked to see if he's nicked it. But yes it certainly is a nice userpage. I've been meaning to redesign (or ask someone nicely to redesign) my userpage for a while. But this was the best thing I've seen so far. So feel free to join me in nicking this wonderful design! --Wisden17 21:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

lol --Dweller 21:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Techno Source

It does look suspiciously like and advert. WP:AFD would be the way to go, as a PROD is going to be contested by the author and speedy doesn't apply. You want me to do the listing or will you? Petros471 16:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice / support. I'll do it. Let me know if I get it wrong. --Dweller 16:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks fine. Cheers, Petros471 16:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy

I try my best :D--§hanel 16:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Group of Death or Group of death

Um, I just stumbled across the above 'problem'. Not sure what you want to do about it as you started the first page, presumably not realising the second existed. The second is quite comprehensive and probably should remain as is while the first should become a redirect. I'll leave it to you to decide, just thought you ought to know! Budgiekiller 08:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah nuts. What a waste of time. Good spot though. When I searched for "Group of Death" the software didn't find Group of death!
Just to make sure I wasn't imagining it, I just did the same for "Group of sleep" and it didn't find Group of Sleep. So now I've created Group of sleep as a redirect.
To address this issue (!) I completely agree with you. Bah and phooey. --Dweller 08:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Job done. Appreciate it if you reviewed it in case I've done a hatchet job. --Dweller 08:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal reversion

As always, thanks for the revert job. Seem to be a few vandals prowling around my turf today...! Budgiekiller 10:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I'm really getting picked on today! Thanks again... Budgiekiller 10:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

WikiThanks

Thanks for the barnstar. It's nice to hear that my work is appreciated.
 SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  15:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origins of the First World War

Looks like a clear redirect to me, so I've redirected it accordingly. Not often you get a new page that long that isn't a copyvio. Oldelpaso 10:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Critic of Islam

  •  :-) Your own words betray you. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is indeed a critic but to blanket refer to her as "anti-Islam" is not correct. This is true primarily due to the fact that she's only "Anti-" to certain aspects of Islam... and not generally the entire religion. Netscott 14:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Interesting, thanks. I think you'll have your work cut out though, with a narrow definition of the category. Not everyone here is well-intentioned, or with no desire to score points! --Dweller 14:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
You can respond here with no need to crosspost if you'd prefer not to. I know all too well from personal experience that not everyone here is well-intentioned. I'm not sure what you're referring to with the "score points" commentary though. Netscott 15:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you were saying "axe to grind" with the "score points" commentary? Netscott 15:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Not too much to read into it... I just meant that there are undoubtedly (exceedingly sad) people out there who will take great joy in adding names that don't really fit to that Category, just so that they can score points against Islam. (Is "score points" a British idiom?) --Dweller 15:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I suppose your usage of "score points" is British in this case. In the way you've described it it sounds a bit more like "axes to grind"... but I don't see how adding someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali to such a category is going to "score points against Islam"... if anything in my mind it'd be moreso "score points against Ayaan Hirsi Ali"... or put in the way that seems clearer, "Those with axes to grind against Ayaan Hirsi Ali will add her to the category.". :-) Netscott 15:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

lol I bow to your greater knowledge. --Dweller 15:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

 :-) It's all good. I've appreciated your discourse though. Netscott 15:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Honeyburge Posting - Kids Cottage Toys

Can I have some advice on how to improve the article? I've seen an article by The Entertainer Ltd which was accepted. I'm not vandalising - I remover the delete banner because I thought I'd improved it.

Thank you

Hi. I'll reply on the talk page of the article. --Dweller 15:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your award

I'm not sure whether to be flattered or insulted! But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt ;) Gatoclass 03:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it's definitely flattery. --Dweller 08:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NCFC

Good work on the NCFC player of the year page!

That last comment was mine - I forgot to 'sign' it! Demonicanglian.

[edit] Adelaide Football Club player lists by year

You are right, it does seem a bit extreme to have lists of players by year for every Australian Football League club. You can put them up for AfD, or have me do it if you wish. It's going to be a big nomination. :) --Kimchi.sg 12:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there an automated or clever way of doing this? --Dweller 12:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
For multiple articles, no. There are scripts like this one that automate the process for single-article nominations, but they aren't smart at handling things like second nominations or, in our case, multiple articles in one nomination. --Kimchi.sg 12:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh dear. I've no idea how to make them all appear on one page, which would be smart. --Dweller 12:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
The steps are on the Articles for deletion page, but here's a short summary.
Suppose you want to nominate 3 pages: SomePage, AnotherPage and YetAnotherPage.
  1. Paste the {{afd1}} on SomePage, as usual. This will create a link to the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SomePage.
  2. To get AnotherPage and YetAnotherPage to link to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SomePage, paste the afd1 template on these pages in a different form: {{afd1|SomePage}}.
  3. Create the AfD page (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SomePage) as usual, but before you go on to step 3 (listing it in the daily log), edit the AfD page and mention the other articles you want to nominate for deletion also. (Just write something like "I also want to nominate these articles for deletion: AnotherPage and YetAnotherPage.")
  4. List the AfD page on the daily log using the Afd3 template, as normal.
Hope the above helps. --Kimchi.sg 13:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dayan and Beth din

Hello.

  1. Please do not revert my good-faith productive changes without any discussion or explanation.
  2. What I did was correct: there's no need to disambiguate between the Dayan the judge and Moshe Dayan - because Moshe Dayan is not ambiguous to Dayan, and a "Dayan redirects here" notice at the top of Beth din is plenty sufficient.

I think this is a non-issue, but if you wish to follow with this further, please discuss first, and we can enlist a third opinion if we cannot come to an understanding. Thank you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you've been too quick off the mark. I have given explanation at the talk page. And it was you that reverted my edit without discussion. You've only come here now because I reverted your revert. --Dweller 14:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I was a bit eager b/c of all the broken links on rabbi articles. I made a good faith edit on 6/30. The first revert was yours on 6/2. - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Not sure I follow. On the History page [1] I see a lot of edits by me and then you stepped in on 1st July. --Dweller 14:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

OT: I see you've found Delsort/Judaism I created. Good job. I'll see more of you then, I imagine. - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Just look through the whatlinkshere I posted on talk: surely that must be enough to convince you! - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zidane

Hi

My opinion is that if you have to show the headbut, one also has to show glorious moments of his career because otherwise it only shows one part of the story - a moment of loss of mindfulness. Where are the pictures showing him winning one of his honors, listed below?


So add a further picture. Don't take away valid content. --Dweller 11:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

My questions are: the Sturmabteilung were an atheist organization? Large part of Sturmabteilung members were atheists? --Vess 13:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quiz

Aaaargh. I made an error. One of his seven hundreds was in a Second XI match. I looked at his scores above 200 without looking at the status of the matches. Thanks for the query, or the error would have stayed there.

All his seven hundreds were in England and all the six fc doubles were in county matches. Tintin (talk) 10:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

The reason for keeping miscapped redirects is that, if I were to be typing in the address bar, and mistakenly type "Gledhill" as "gledhill"...

see? DS 17:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That's an argument for creating redirects for every single article that has more than one word in its name. --Dweller 17:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Given that it already existed, and was already a redirect, there was no reason to delete it. DS 00:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i havent deleted anything

i havent deleted anything. i just added my thanks for the reply i got for my querry on that page. why will i delete anything. nids 18:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

i got the prob. our edits were saved at the same time. when i was editing u saved the page. since i saved my page later, by a few secs, ur edits were reverted. it wasnt my fault. please reply if u got what the problem was, else i will try to elaborate it more for u. nids 18:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

since i havent got any reply i assume that u havent got what the prob. was. i shall elaborate. open the edit option of the same page in two different windows. now do edits in one of them and save it. close the window. now do some edits in another window (they must be different from the first). now save the second window. then open the original page. u'll see that ur first edits would have been reverted and only ur second edits will be shown on the page. this was what happened at the time when u saved ur edits before me, but we were actually editing the same page. since i saved my page later, ur edits got reverted. i m sorry for ur inconveniences but it wasnt my fault either. atleast reply if u got what the prob. was. waitin for ur reply. nids 06:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

sorry... have been offline. Yes, I get it. I think they've updated the software and there are more problems with edit conflicts. Glad you hadn't deliberately deleted. --Dweller 08:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

fine if the prob. is resolved. seems that u r brit.nids 10:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duncan Forbes (footballer)

Great work!

Any relation of yours? --Dweller 16:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. No, no relation ;) Forbsey 16:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Thanks for your comments. I'm not sure I'll be able to work at quite the rate I did due to work commitments, so I may not apply again (never say never, though), but your comments are much appreciated!

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 17:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schools of History

The empty tag says (reason 3), Consists only of links elsewhere. If you want, you can make it into a list page or disambigation page. Reywas92 16:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a stub. It'll develop. That's one option. --Dweller 16:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
No, it was a sub-stub. Stubs are usually at least a paragraph. ~MDD4696 16:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Ha! it was deleted!

(Ignoring User:Reywas92's juvenility) "usually"? --Dweller 16:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Have you taken a look at Wikipedia:Stub? ~MDD4696 16:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Does this sound familiar, "The length of the article is not an absolute rule to classify between a stub and a non-stub." --Dweller 16:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GHe's RfA

Hi Dweller!

Thank you for taking part in my RfA! Unfortunately, it wasn't set to succeed :( and ended with a final result of (62/23/7) at 73% support. Nevertheless, I will definitely look into the constructive criticisms and I thank you again for your participation and comments.

 G.He 19:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stubs and subst

Thanks for the note. Regarding the subst'ing of stub templates, the stub sorting project prefers not to do this for reasons given here [2]. --Bruce1ee 10:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

There is consensus, but I'll get back to you with the official position on this. --Bruce1ee 11:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, please hold off subst-ing until I get back to you. --Bruce1ee 11:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I could see what you were doing (and I was in the middle of writing you an explanation). The rule is never to use subst: on stub templates. Doing so completely ruins the work done by WP:WSS since it makes resorting articles close to impossible. It also means that a template and its corresponding category can easily be separated which is even worse. I think I have fixed all the affected articles now. WP:WSS will probably have to write this rule somewhere easy to see. Happy editing. Valentinian (talk) 12:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I couldn't find the policy and I was deliberately looking for it! --Dweller 12:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, we've got our act together now. Please have a look at WP:WSS#General rules and WP:SUBST#Templates that should NOT be substituted. I hope this helps. Thanks. --Bruce1ee 15:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cats and Coffee warning

I added a couple more citations, and can find others... does this satisfy your notability concerns? - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 12:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice work. I'll ask someone more experienced than me to comment. Happy to remove prod if they don't prod2 it! --Dweller 12:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I think its borderline either way, there is usage outside NANAE, but I'm still debating whether or not this article can be more than a dictionary definition or not... it may ultimately get merged into news.admin.net-abuse.email - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 12:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Merge is done... I requested speedy on the page as theres really no reason to force an AFD for something this trivial. - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 12:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: RfA

Thanks, but I'm not sure I'll run again, at least for a while! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 18:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pass-Pirates

Thanks for the heads-up re db-advert. Why does the template exist? It should be deleted. I don't agree with your db-empty however; the article doesn't seem to fall foul of those criteria. --Dweller 10:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe the db-advert tag was created by an ambitious user but not debated and accepted into the WP:CSD criteria, so while it was undoubtedly a bold move it was sidestepping procedure somewhat, so got the active portion of it disabled (i.e. adding it doesn't automatically list the article in the speedy deletion category). At the time I added the db-empty tag the article was only one sentence saying it was a forum that gave out passwords for adult sites, so I figured it probably classed as speedy (on reflection, db-group might have fitted better as it didn't "assert the notability"). Frankly I still can't see much hope for the article - it fails WP:WEB pretty hard, having been in existence only for a few months and having no Alexa rank. ~Matticus TC 11:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
It sure does fail WP:WEB! Thanks --Dweller 11:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sarandon

Yup, I'm fairly new. I use MediaWiki at work though, so have some experience with it.--Michig 13:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: RfA

Sorry you weren't successful. Please drop me a note if you stand again in a few months. --Dweller 14:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, will do! Sorry about the late reply, I managed to miss your message and haven't been around recently. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 12:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Err, maybe I replied above! Oops. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 12:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Re your comment in Deville's RfA : And there is a need for at least one admin with a strong interest in cricket. - Everyone in WP:CRIC except you and me is an admin :-) Tintin (talk) 09:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

(blushes). I'll strike that. Thanks. --Dweller 09:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I've compiled a list at WT:CRIC. There are 19 out of 113 of us who are admins. Blnguyen | rant-line 03:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nett weight and Net weight

You've made an assumption; I'd guess based on your country of origin.
Tomato, tomato, potato, potato? Let's call the whole thing off. --Dweller 09:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

To correct the numbers I put down on my own talk page: I found about 30,000 occurrences of "nett weight" and about 4,000,000 of "net weight". So the latter definitely wins that round. Michael Hardy 22:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I googled both spellings and found several hundred thousand occurrences of "nett" and tens of million of "net". Michael Hardy 18:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deville's RfA

Hello, Dweller, and thank you for the support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 72/1/0, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I'll be tentative with the new buttons for a while, and certainly welcome any and all feedback on how I might be able to use them to help the project. And even though I'm not nearly the only admin with cricket interests, your sentiment is much appreciated in any case...=D All the best, and thanks again! — Deville (Talk) 00:39, 25 August 2006

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[edit] Grace (prayer)

I meant in the context of mealtime prayers, but I could be wrong...Andycjp 31st August 2006

The first paragraph of Grace after meals is traditionally ascribed by Jews to the authorship of Moses. Subsequent paragraphs are also attributed to various prophets who predate Christianity by some millenia. On a more factual, "citational" basis, by the time of the discussions recorded in the Mishna, with which the life of Jesus is roughly contemporaneous, Grace after meals (and indeed, the blessings before meals) is a well-established fact of Jewish life with some antiquity behind it. --Dweller 15:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Me, a stalker?!

Hey, thanks for reporting this guy. I found his diatribe amusing, and will continue to hunt him down every time he adds links to his crappy Geocities pages.. Budgiekiller 15:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Keefo

Hi, thanks for letting me know about the Keith O'Neill article. I'll see if I can dig out some more info for it. Remembering how big Keefo's ego was, I'm sure he'd me amazed too that he didn't have one on here and that he hadn't been a featured article! User:Demonicanglian

[edit] Mathias Svensson

I've set up a page for Svensson using the red link from the IF Elfsborg page. I don't have many career details for him, however. If there is anything you can add, feel free! User:Demonicanglian

[edit] Tractor does budgie

Hey, just add Daryl Sutch to the Wikipedia. It's a stub, but hopefully is a good start. Budgiekiller 16:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My recent uses of VP

Thanks for your message, and I hope you can help me out - another view always helps. So, to my errors with VP. The warning to DemonicAnglian was a complete and total error that arose because of a hardware problem here, I had no intention of issuing any warning to him. If I had, I agree a t4 would be innapropriate. I think I can point to two mistakes with VP, and one complete mystery (The Truth about the Iditarod). If I'm making other mistakes, either in degree of warning or where no vandalism has taken place, then please tell me where they are and I will work out how they arose and how to avoid them in the future. Thanks again, Mr Stephen 14:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editcount using Interiot's tool

Username        Dweller
Total edits     2669
Distinct pages edited   905
Average edits/page      2.949
First edit      09:27, 16 September 2005
        
(main)  1188
Talk    266
User    141
User talk       534
Image talk      1
Category        1
Wikipedia       496
Wikipedia talk  39
Portal talk     3

Hello! This is your editcount using Interiot's tool. It works using Firefox, perhaps it doesn't like IE very much? (aeropagitica) 15:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone recently told you that you're a nice person? --Dweller 15:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No, but that's made my day! Cheers (aeropagitica) 15:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi there. Thanks for picking up that issue yesterday re the VP. As I said to Mr Stephen on his talkpage, it all seems to be sorted now and hopefully it won't happen again, whatever caused it. All very bizarre! User:Demonicanglian

[edit] Re: Magic Cir

Dweller wrote:

Please will you review the tag I just placed on this article. I'm not 100% certain I've done the most appropriate thing and would value advice. --Dweller 10:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for tagging this article. I have moved it to Magic Circus as you suggested and re-tagged it for speedy deletion. In future, if you want to move a page (even if you think it may be about to be deleted), feel free to do so using the "move" link at the top of the article. Tagging the article was the most important thing, as it now shows up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion and us administrators can deal with it – Gurch 10:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Dweller 10:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steggla

Dealt with. The guy was quite persistent plus I forgot that deleting a page removed its protection which lead to him creating the article for a third time. Anyway, it's done and the page protected. Regards. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 12:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks --Dweller 13:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misc Desk

Hey! The text is at [3]. I suggest you search for "23 Mar 2004 : Column GC289" in the text, although the whole thing is interesting if you like that sort of thing. Good luck. --Skittle 15:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Associação

Hi there, I can´t see your point. What´s wrong with the article? Thanks! Tonyjeff 15:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you need to demonstrate that it's notable. --Dweller 15:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks, I couldn´t understand what is a speedy tag or a worked-on article. The article is notable because it is about the most important project to preserve the Transmontan bagpipe in Portugal - which had been almost vanished -, supported by many institutions like the Ministry of Culture. They do make a great effort with many projects, like classes and workshops. They have made valuable researches with old bagpipers which are dying, making these their last register. They promoted the most important bagpipe meeting in Portugal: the National Encounter of Bagpipers (Encontro Nacional de Gaiteiros), gathering even bagpipers from Scotland, Spain and France. It is really not just a self-promotional text, since it is a non-profitable organization; the intention is to show how important is to preserve the Transmontan bagpipe, and which efforts are being made. However, all of it is said on the article; how do you think I could make it better? Thanks. Tonyjeff 16:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Happy to help. I'll post to your talk page. --Dweller 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Dweller. I´m sure enough that the Bagpipe Association of Portugal is much more notable than The Hairy Hands Club, but I´m going to retrieve some informations, like quantity of members (not 1,000,000 I guess, but a relevant quantity) and midia coverage. As I have said, is the most important organization to the preservation of the Transmontan bagpipe, for the extense of its courses, workshops, researches and events promoted. In fact, maybe only by the Gaitafolia, the pipeband of the association, there is enough midia coverage. As soon as possible, maybe two days, I may gather some informations. Cheers. Tonyjeff 19:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, Dweller. I think I was able to gather some informations. The Association gahters actually around 200 effective members, and much more non-members. It has been covered by some important newspapers of Portugal, like Expresso, Público and Diário de Notícias. Their effort has been recognized by the government, receiving a subsidy from the Ministry of Culture to support their projects. The shows of their pipeband, the Gaitafolia, have been covered by some important media whereas it has been, like Spain and France. Their most important event, the Nation Encounter of Bagpipers, has gathered more than 8,000 people along its four years of existence, and has been covered by important media, like the newspapers already cited and TV channels like RTP and SIC. They are indeed the biggest movement to the preservation of the Transmontan bagpipe in Portugal, although they work toghether with other minor organizations. I sincerly think its notable enough to be in Wikipedia, since they have just seven years of existence and still growing. Tonyjeff 20:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Stick that in the article. Sounds excellent (apart from the 200 members, which is a bit weak!) --Dweller 21:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok Dweler, really thank you for your patience. Let´s make it better! =D Tonyjeff 01:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Henderson

Prod might be a better option.Geni 11:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but if they remove a speedy tag, how long will a prod last? --Dweller 12:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NCFC

Well done for removing the rest of the vandalism on the page - I was sure I'd taken those other comments off as well, but obviously not..... User:Demonicanglian 09:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Doktor

I removed your wikify tag as the article is a copyright violation speedy delete candidate. –– Lid(Talk) 13:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough! --Dweller 13:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CRIQ

Sorry. Adding one now. Tintin (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by Demonicanglian

Hey, any idea where your fellow budgie is getting his info from? I'm beginning to become cautious that each article may be a copyvio, or he's a great transposer of biographies...! As for expert pen takers, what about expert pen savers (e.g. Paul Cooper)?!! Budgiekiller 19:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] If It's Notable...

Fine, then, but as I see it currently, the article is worthless. Expand, or save it for another day. I am a bit of a speedy-deletionist, and as the article is currently written, it's useless. And as it was first posted, it's vanity. Niki Whimbrel 19:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

As I didn't create the article (and in fact it was I that removed the daft advert) I'm not responsible for how Holman Fenwick & Willan began life. And I could hardly be expected to expand it in the time between my removing the speedy tag and you slapping it right back again. --Dweller 19:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Fine, fine. I'll back out. You have fun with it, and I'm sorry if I offended you. Niki Whimbrel 19:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Have another look - I think I've established notability now. --Dweller 19:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Nice job. Okay, you have fun now. Once again, sorry for any offense.Niki Whimbrel 19:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PBHM

Fortuitously, the small matter on Mr May's bio took me off to Peter West where there was a nice picture of... Frank Bough. Ho hum. Johnlp 22:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rencin24

Hey Dweller, Thanks a lot for helping me know certain things. I have done accordingly and now just wanted to inform you that I did delete that statements that I made aganist him. It would be nice of you if you gave me a reply and made me know who is he exactly.

[edit] David Eden

Not over the top, although I know what you mean. Looks like a stub worth saving. Rich Farmbrough, 22:47 5 October 2006 (GMT).
Thanks. --Dweller 22:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 7 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Summer of four captains, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Duke of Norfolk's XI

You're welcome. I can't claim huge personal knowledge, but with this sort of thing I've found the Scorecard Oracle on CricketArchive to be very useful in providing the bare bones. Loganberry (Talk) 16:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your message

You likely have no idea just how much good messages like that do. It really cheered me up to know that my work had been noticed and appreciated. Thank you very much. --Guinnog 19:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Oh, no, I totally didn't mind! I'm so pleased with how various people stepped in and helped out when I was on Wikibreak. It's sad, but there few things that give me warm fuzzy feelings on WP, but this was one of them. Thanks! -- Merope Talk 20:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed on October 17, 2006 with a tally of 53/6/0. I am equally elated and humbled by my new capacity as administrator of Wikipedia, and I send my heartfelt thanks for your unflinching support. If you need me for anything, just ask me! With gratitude, 210physicq (c) 03:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Odd talk page

Dweller wrote:

Hi Gurch. Wondered if you'd cast an experienced eye over User talk:Crystal place? Seems to be being used for free advertising. I've removed contact details, but don't know if my warning message was totally out of line... or perhaps understated! --Dweller 07:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the contact details; they were definitely inappropriate. Whether the rest of it counts as advertising, I'm not sure; it's not blatant but it's definitely not the intended purpose of a talk page. CSD G11 therefore doesn't really apply, but I'm sure you could get it deleted through MfD. It's up to you whether you think it's worth doing so – Gurch 07:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CRIQ

Damn. Sorry. Tintin (talk) 12:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malta? Messed up?

What do you mean by "I think something messed up with your visit to Malta!"? And by the way, I've not been to Malta, it says there I want to go to Malta. And the page looks fine to me. | AndonicO 15:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
If you visit the Malta article, you'll find that you've misrepresented Malta's name and its flag. --Dweller 15:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) is the smallest official country on earth, according to the history channel. It is, just like the Vatican, in Rome. Occupying only one building, it is the only nation to have only one street in it's adress. They even showed the licence plate for their cars on TV. In order to become a citizen, you must be born there; there are only about 80 of them. Therefore, as you may expect, going to a place no one has ever heard of gives you bragging rights (especially if it's the tiniest country on the planet). | AndonicO 16:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

For following up with that user asking me about spam. I should probably take a break from editing--I find myself getting easily frustrated and impatient, and that's bad. Good thing you're around! -- Merope 17:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

A pleasure. We're all here to help each other with this thing. There's a heck of a lot of stuff you do that I simply can't, so thank you! --Dweller 17:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I am going to ask you for a teeny-weensy favor: can you archive your talk page? It's getting pretty cumbersome to navigate, especially since you're becoming more active. If you need any help, just ask. -- Merope 17:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, yes. When I've got a mo, I'll take a look at how to do that. Thanks for the link. I'm aware that it's overlong <sheepish grin> --Dweller 17:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Per your comment on my talk page, I am informing you that I've decided to run for adminship. The request is here. MER-C 11:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] edit counter

You asked about an edit counter before... try this one? --Interiot 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of MLB on FOX

The fact that the word criticism is in the headline makes the theory that it's completely POV the whole point to begin with. And what kind of argument that Major League Baseball is abrivated in the article should in itself warrant deletion!? I'm sure that there are people who don't know what the NFL, NBA, or NHL stand for, so what point are you making. I'm an American yet, I don't completely understand what something like FIFA (the international soccer organization) stands for off the top of my head. for example If you don't know what the letters stand for, then isn't that one of the reasons for Wikipedia to exist!? TMC1982 20 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as POV goes, I think you'll find I'm not the only editor with that opinion. With regard to MLB, you must have missed the word "almost". Besides, I reckon you'll struggle to find an article about FIFA that doesn't explain that it's talking about football, which was the (minor) point I was making. --Dweller 20:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I've finally had the time during my long Wikibreak to thank the voters and commentors on my my RfA last month, and I thank you! I'll try again as previously planned in the late of spring, and hopefully I'll win it. When I get off this multi-month Wikibreak I'll be back to the Wikipedia, visting xfD everyday in addition. Do you have any tips or suggestions for me? Thanks again, X [Mac Davis] (SUPERDESK|Help me improve)08:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hermit House

I don't think it's a speedy anymore. Either a prod or AfD. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup, agreed. --Dweller 13:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/99.94

Eh... I'd rather see it through to the finish, becuase there are a few keep votes, and (more importantly to me) several people who want it merged. It might be useful somewhere, even if you don't see its usefulness right now. Besides which, I'm in no position to comment on the article's usefulness, as a cricket-ignorant American Imperialist. ;-) Grandmasterka 08:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Thanks for the reply. I'm planning on merging it "by hand", as I have no desire to muck up the Bradman article. You Americans have a lot to learn about Imperialism, that we Brits can teach you. I'll be impressed when the Iraqi baseball team beats the American one, like India, Pakistan, West Indies, South Africa and especially Australia routinely do to England's cricket team! --Dweller 08:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello. As nominator of the deletion, I thought I'd drop by in hope that there are no hard feelings? I read through the discussion after some time away from it, and was surprised that I had stirred up such a debate! I still feel deletion (if it happens) is the correct option, but I don't think the consensus is as clear-cut as you make out. I do share everyone's awe and wonder at Bradman's achievements. My father, who saw him bat at Hastings in 1948, said he attacked every ball. Anyway, keep up your tireless, excellent work improving Wikipedia. --RobertG ♬ talk 14:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football IP vandal

The guidelines at WP:AIV say, in part, not to list someone for blocking if "The vandal has not received the full range of test warnings recently (i.e., within the previous week)." This IP's last test4 was on Oct. 12. Because different people may use the same IP account, the policy is generally not to block unless there is a recent (i.e., same day) test3, 4, or testb. Thanks, NawlinWiki 19:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Gotcha. So, ironically, if I'd posted a test4 for Norwich City vandalism before you'd then seen the Colchester vandalism, you might have blocked? (Thanks for explaining btw...) --Dweller 19:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Yep. Let me know if the IP does anything else. NawlinWiki 19:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Yep, that one gets him a block. Thanks for the alert! NawlinWiki 16:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket Quiz Clue

I've added a clue, as requested (the cricketer in question is Australian). Because I'm such a top bloke, I'll also pass on an extra clue to you; he was a bowler. --Roisterer 02:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy delete backlog

A good place to post this would be Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. I'm working on it, but I do have to stop and do my real job every now and then. ;) NawlinWiki 15:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter the Lord's cat

Thanks for your note, Dweller. You're probably correct grammatically, but I still think Peter the Lord's cat looks more natural for some reason; but I don't have a strong preference. Humphrey is at Humphrey (cat).

Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

And as for Peter (cat) — I think he's always known as "Peter the Lord's cat". Look at the book title, for example. (No comma there, either). Stephen Turner (Talk) 10:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I created a redirect from Peter Cat because that is how he appears in the Wisden Obit. Tintin (talk) 10:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Ace. And I've done one from Peter (cat). I love the Wisden name! --Dweller 10:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alice Soundtech

Re: User_talk:Dina#Stop_your_revert-vandalism

Brilliant solution. Now I have some googling to do ;-) -- 62.147.86.249 10:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the background. - jlao 04 11:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chixor

I spotted this article at Candidates for speedy deletion earlier and pondered over it. The term Chixor does seem to have some usage outside of Wikipedia as noted here. Whether it's worthy enough for an article though is another question. I'm erring on the side of taking it to AfD to allow the community to decide its' future. -- Longhair\talk 13:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I waited a bit to thank you because I didn't want to add any unneccesary (contribs) fuel to what appeared to be quite a fire. Your suggestion focussed the issue (and I'm not just saying that because I was the previous focus.;)) It was a, shall we say, masterful bit of "interfering mediation" (or whatever you called yourself in the Afd) and I am totally stealing it should I ever find myself on the outside of a similar situation. So thanks. I honestly didn't know what to do, but I expect you saved me a long day of "should I respond to this? or this? or let it go?" etc. And I appreciate it. Dina 03:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] View these comments

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[edit] User page revert

As normal, thanks for reverting the garbage! Oh, and well done today, let's not mention football for a couple of days...! Budgiekiller 21:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks

Thanks. (I'm patently new to this :-)

Pumpapa

[edit] You helped choose Islam as this week's WP:AID winner

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[edit] Myleene Klass

I don't see anything wrong with it. One of the subject's listed careers is modelling so a job seems relevant. What did you think of it? -Will Beback 08:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I wondered if it was a bit spammy with the web address, although it wasn't a clear spam job (or I'd have reverted!) So I was in two minds and thought I'd consult someone more experienced! --Dweller 09:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
It never hurts to ask. If we had an article about the jewelry company (I didn't check) then we should use an internal link instead. Some editors are more strict with external links than I am, so don't be surprised or bothered if someone deletes it eventually. Cheers, -Will Beback 09:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need your feedback

Hello! I hope you are feeling fine. Recently, you made a comment on my talk page regarding the usage of British grammar in British related articles. I would like you to add in your comments on this talkpage as well. Thank you for your kind attention with regards to this matter. --Siva1979Talk to me 20:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Donald Bradman

You wrote:
I'm surprised by your cite request. I don't think you'll find a single cricket source published since World War Two that would say anything different.--Dweller 09:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. To be honest, I've never read a book on cricket. It seems to me that if one is going to make a definitive statement about someone being the best at something, then it should be cited. To the uninitiated, like myself, it seems like it may be PoV to make that claim. If I were to say that Michael Jordan was the best basketball player of all time, I'd get a lot of flack for that. If you could just cite one of those myriad sources, then it will be the published author's point of view and not the editors of Wikipedia. Keep up the great work.--Eva bd 13:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

After some brief chat on the talk page there, I came up with the idea of finding a source that said that Bradman is universally acclaimed. The source is now included in the article. Thanks! --Dweller 13:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the information on Bradman. It looks like quite an achievement. I've played cricket only a handful of times (infinitely more than most of my countrymen, though) and can understand the feat that it is to score that many centuries. Just batting against my mates I never got more than 25 runs. One problem that I see with declaring any sportsmen "the greatest" is that it is always going to be comparing apples to oranges. Michael Jordan may be a great basketball player, but if he were playing with Wilt Chamberlin, he may have been seen as average. Though undoubtedly extremely talented, Mr Bradman may have looked a little less great if he were batting against bowlers of a different era. Now...all that being said, I appreciate your quick response to my citation request and will commence shutting my mouth on the issue. Have a great Thanksgiving Day tomorrow :) --Eva bd 14:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] NCFC

Thanks for the message. Good to see another City fan on here! --EH74DK 04:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Dweller, thanks for your message of support should I pursue AfD. Sorry about the complete demolition of your boys last weekend. I was in South Africa and still managed to see the glorious highlights. That Danny Haynes, didn't really rate him, but he made a big impact. Anyway, glad to see you've found another comrade here too! Cheers for now, Budgiekiller 15:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Bradman average

Hello! The Bradman text only specifies batsmen whose careers have finished because I changed it! I only changed it because Hussey's achievement made it no longer true! I think having the table of Test averages on the Bradman page is marginally undesirable, but I am quite willing to go along with it if you think it would be better there. I think it only needs to show, at most, the top three: it had grown into a very long list! The article documents Bradman's achievements, not Test records! Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 12:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Romanticism vandal

No problem :) Martinp23 15:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've indef-blocked User:Jcool7 as a vandal now Martinp23 15:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your ANI post

Posting at ANI was not wrong per se, but the matter probably didn't seem urgent and so was probably ignored by most admins. To complain about personal attacks or incivility, WP:PAIN is probably the best place, but I can't quote a direct violation of policy here. I hope the removal of the lists at the talk page settles the matter, and time is spent mostly improving the article and finding sources, not arguing. In my experience, the best way to fight bad additions to a short article is to make good additions to the article. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 12:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Block of User:165.138.161.1

Thanks. --Dweller 18:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't mention it. Returning from a block only to vandalize the exact same articles proves it's the same person - and that requires a nice big block in my book. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big Nose Kate

Perhaps we (or you) can put in a bit to say that nobody knows why she was called Big Nose. Her nose isn't particularly prominant, though she does have the long lip and face and stretched nose of those Uralic proto-Europeans who turned into Hungarians and Romanians and whatnot. Perhaps she was just too interested in other people's business. You find that in the Old West people picked up monikers which aren't particular obvious. SBHarris 18:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norwich players

Hi - hope all is well. You may be interested to know that I've set up an article for Malcolm Allen. It's still a stub. I've been looking at the NCFC players category and it seems that our notable players from recent years all have articles, albeit many of them are stubs - can you think of any who are still missing altogether, and out of interest - do you have any NCFC related articles planned? Thanks. --EH74DK 11:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rules for deletion

Would you care to comment on my proposed Ref Desk Rules for Deletion: [4] ? I would like to build a consensus on which rules should be followed. StuRat 07:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CRIC

Thanks for your thanks, no problemo, cricket is a passion of mine, and I have a mind to a systematic improvement of every WP cricket-related article. I have just used the same succession box editing technique on Greg Chappell to add his career total runscoring record achievements. Darcyj 12:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brian Lara graphs

I'm afraid I didn't make those four graphs, I only made the overall graph under 'career highlights'. The graphs you are referring to were made by User:Zaheen if you'd like to contact him about them. Raven4x4x 23:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hey! Thanks for the Barnstar on my userpage. A very pleasant surprise - always good to know that one's efforts are appreciated! Here's to three points against the Owls tomorrow. --EH74DK 11:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rules for Ref Desk opinions

Would you care to comment on rules for Ref Desk opinions: Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Next_item_for_consensus_discussion:_Opinion ? StuRat 17:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions on Ref Desk template removal ?

Sorry to bother you again, but would you care to comment on: Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Opinions_on_template_removal ? StuRat 21:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Adams

Hi - hope all is well. Saturday's game was dreadful... Anyway, I was surprised to see that Mr Adams didn't have an article on here yet, so I thought you might be interested to know that I've put one up. Again, it's still a stub. --EH74DK 18:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ref Desk Comments about comments

In general, metacomments, where you are talking to other editors about the quality of their posts, should be on their talk pages or on the Ref Desk talk page rather than the project page, where you should be furnishing answers to the original questioner. Please also note that I had spent the past hour on posts defending the original questioner against attacks stating that he/she was likely a troll, and also that I said "The questioner probably should take it to someone qualified to examine and evaluate it, to make sure it is authentic, find out the value for insurance purposes, and make sure it is framed with archival materials, or whether it should be kept out of the light," which is not "focusing only on whether it is genuine" as you stated. Edison 16:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your comment is still there on the question. Did you read my comment above, and do you feel that I only discussed the genuineness of the document, in the part where I talked about conservation? Edison 15:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh. How odd. I thought I replied to you. I'll check my contributions history. --Dweller 15:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please vote on attempt to delete new Ref Desk rules

Vote here: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Reference desk/rules. StuRat 01:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sean Harnett

Did you delete this page: Sean Harnett. If so THANK YOU SO MUCH! I've been trying to get it deleted for over 2 hours. If it wasn't you. Please thank whoever did. Thanks! Avraham 10:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

no prob. As for hampil, it was after chatzot so it was a bracha-less chatzot... Avraham 16:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] comment

Hi. I appreciate the sentiment behind your comments. As an example of a recent dispute we have gotten into,

I'd like to try to falsify information with sources and logic, before I remove it, as you suggest. I have been doing this. I get reverted. Morwen - Talk 12:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WP:CRIQ

Thanks, Dweller. I was just having difficulty thinking of a question. Stephen Turner (Talk) 13:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. Please give me a few more hours. It is getting really tough to set decent questions. Tintin (talk) 12:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

What is HoF ? I was not very active in the last few days and probably missed it. Tintin (talk) 12:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I suggested that we put some of the best questions into a Hall of Fame. We needn't be too fussy about criteria/objectivity. So far, no-one's responded, but we have had some real blinders recently. --Dweller 12:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It would a "POV" list but you can give it a try :-) Tintin (talk) 11:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks. :) JH 18:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar thanks

Thanks for the cricket barnstar! :-) -dmmaus 22:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No apologies

I make no apologies for what I said on the humanities reference desk. At times, I may have gone too far elsewhere in wikipedia but not in this instance. When people say stupid things on the reference desk, I have no qualms about pointing this out and am not likely to change any time in the future, especially when it is unlikely the person who asked the question is being sincere. Note that assume good faith doesn't really apply in the reference desk, else we wouldn't be able to suggest that users are asking homework questions (which we do all the time) or otherwise just wasting our time (which we do as well). I rarely frequent the humanities reference desk, mostly science only, so perhaps you don't get as many cranks at humanities but really I don't care. Stupid questions deserve pointed replies. Anyway I've said my piece and don't want to debate this anymore. As such, I'm likely to ignore any further follow ups by you. If you feel my comments so bad that you wish to seek outside assitance, that's up to you. Nil Einne 22:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at User talk:Edison#Reference desk as well. Although I will probably ignore any comments about the above issue, if you wish to debate the issues I mentioned in my response to Edison, I will read what you have to say Nil Einne 22:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
How sad. --Dweller 11:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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