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[edit] Roger Taylor, Roger Taylor

Roger Taylor is "wiki-linked" to the entry for the "other" Roger Taylor, who is the drummer for Queen. It should be noted that these are two different individuals. Is there a way to correct this?

Yes, though it makes it inconvenient when both of them are drummers. We should move the contents of the current Roger Taylor to another article title, perhaps Roger Taylor (Queen), replace the article Roger Taylor with a disambiguation page listing the two, and creating a new Roger Taylor (Duran Duran) page. By the way, could you please sign your posts on talk pages? --Robert Merkel
I have fixed this...
new user (and fan of both Queen and Duran) -- Catherine
I've changed your fix slightly. See Talk:Roger Meddows-Taylor for more info. --fvw 16:28, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Taylor?

Also, the text states: "Warren Cuccurullo stepped in as a guitarist in 1986, and with Le Bon, Rhodes, and Nick and John Taylor produced the hit song Notorious, which went to number 2 in the USA." There is no *Nick Taylor.* Should it have been Andy Taylor? Roger Taylor?

fixed this too -- "Rhodes" and "Nick" are the same person (although his name is really Nick Bates. Go figure.). see Duran Duran -- Catherine


[edit] seems ok

I've read your stuff and enjoyed reading. I didn't see factual errors, you may want to check participation at the Live Aid concert: are you sure they didn't attend the London part of the concert? You may be right though.

Positive on Live Aid -- I have it on tape and they were in Philly -- Power Station (with Duran's John and Andy) was touring the US that summer, and I suspect it was easier for the rest of Duran to come to them than to ship PS's gear overseas and back. PS also performed that day, so John and Andy appeared twice with different acts. Whee for ancient music trivia! Cheers, Catherine | talk 07:11, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Musicians who are influenced by Duran Duran

(Moving this from the article until a better way can be found to integrate it...I don't think it would survive VFD as an article on its own.)

These musicians have stated in articles and interviews that they admire and have been inspired by Duran Duran's music:

[edit] Featured!

Thanks to everyone who voted to make this a featured article! It's a nice reward for hard work by a lot of people. Catherine\talk 17:48, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Name?

What's up with the name Duran Duran? Where did it come from?

It's in the article: "Inspired by one of their favourite Birmingham clubs, Barbarella's, the band took their name from the evil character Dr. Durand-Durand, played by Milo O'Shea in Roger Vadim's sexy science-fiction cult film Barbarella."

Durant-Durand was in J.C. Forest Barbarella comics an obvious reference to "Dupont et Dupond" aka the Thompson twins. Any connection with the band of the same era ? 62.212.105.216 17:03, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There is a discrepancy in that the article gives the name as "Duran-Duran" whereas the Barbarella article spells it as Durand Durand. Which is correct? (IMDB says the latter) - Rob, 16:39, 21 Apr 2005 (GMT)

See the discussion at Talk:Barbarella, which is inconclusive. To recap the discussion thus far, the booklets for both the Region 1 and Region 2 DVDs give the name as "Duran Duran". The opening credits of the Region 1 DVD only identifies the actors, not their roles. The closing credits of the Region 1 DVD does not give a cast list. There are no subtitles for the Region 1 DVD. So, unfortunately, there does not seem to be much evidence either way; that the DVD booklets use "Duran Duran" is not totally conclusive since the DVD booklets were written years after the original making of the movie, by which time the band "Duran Duran" was already well-known, which might have led the booklet writers to use that spelling. —Lowellian (reply) 17:05, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I've discussed this by email with a member of the artist's estate; he says the character's name in the original comic book and in the movie script was "Durand-Durand", but the final "d" is silent in the French pronunciation. The DVD booklets were in error. — Catherine\talk 05:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] View to a kill - rumour

I've heard that during the View to a Kill video shoot the band members were barely talking to one another - could be urban myth, but I think the video never shows more that one of them on screen at once. Great work on the article, keep it up. Paul M

There was certainly some tension among band members at the time -- as the article says, Roger was ready to give up on the music biz altogether, and Andy was unhappy with the band's direction and ready to launch a solo career (after his successes with Power Station). Still, from my understanding, the "storyline" of the video was proposed and storyboarded by the directors (Godley & Creme) -- the band wasn't responsible for the one-member-at-a-time-ness of it all. Catherine\talk 01:55, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

RE: "Andy was unhappy with the band's direction and ready to launch a solo career". Andy Taylor did do one solo record called Thunder. Should this be mentioned in the main article?

Actually he did two -- there was a second album of covers, called Dangerous. His solo career is covered (briefly) in his own article -- please feel free to add more detail there.
Here, there is a link to Andy's article in the sentence "Guitarist Andy Taylor, on the other hand, led the band to believe he would return to work on a new Duran Duran album even as he was signing a recording contract for a solo career in Los Angeles." I think anyone curious about the solo material will be able to click that link for more detail. This page is already quite long and some fairly significant trimming was necessary when the article was nominated for featured article status; I'd like to try to keep it focused. — Catherine\talk 07:12, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External link

Anon user, please stop inserting the link for the Duran Duran 'DURANMANIA' Website at cjb.net. Discussion forums are not considered useful links for band sites. Even if forum sites were to be included, there are far more notable and heavily trafficked DD message boards; the cjb board has less than 400 posts total. I appreciate the desire to advertise your sites (including the one you continue to post at the Kajagoogoo article) but Wikipedia is not the venue for advertising of websites.

Please see the policies outlined at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:External links, and theWikipedia:FAQ - external links.

You have added this link eleven times since it was first removed on November 28, 2004, and moved it above some of the official band sites in the list when I made attempts to compromise by classifying it under "fansites" or at the bottom of the list. It will continue to be removed. Please do not add it again. — Catherine\talk 09:08, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

I created a navigational template for the Dream Theater article, {{Dream Theater}}, that might be of use to the Duran Duran article (and its related pages). The Iron Maiden and Rush articles use the same template style, and it seems to work well for bands with many members and releases. Someone with enough knowledge to complete it for Duran Duran should consider doing so, it is very useful. plattopustalk 02:28, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Call yourselves music fans!

...and yet nobody spotted the mistake on the introduction which I have just edited. Andy Taylor, not John, plays bass. Such is this the case that he is an excellent bassist, an unsung hero at that. Celtmist 15-10-05

I'm sorry, I believe you're the one who has mixed up the Taylors -- easy enough when there's three of them! John Taylor did indeed start the band in 1978 while playing guitar, and is credited that way on the J-cards for their earliest demo tapes, but he switched to bass in the first half of 1979 when they recruited Roger Taylor on drums (to replace their drum machine). For corroboration, please see John Taylor's official site, http://www.trusttheprocess.com/ . He describes the history in his own words in the "Scrapbooks" under the "DD Archive" link in the top frame (direct link: [16]) -- you can even see the receipt for the first bass he bought. I have watched the man play his bass live many times, with and without Duran, once in a small club with my nose no more than a foot from the bass strings. I agree wholeheartedly that he's a talented and underrated bassist, and I assure you that his name is John.
Oh, and Andy Taylor's a pretty good guitarist, too.  :) — Catherine\talk 15:43, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Yeah yeah yeah. Cockups are easy to make. John Taylor was the bassist and I mixed the names, either way, the bassist was the fellow who remained in the group until 1998 before returning in the new millennium, where-as Andy and Roger left in the mid 80s originally. Well at least I don't mix the identity of the drummer with the one from Queen! :) Celtmist 16-10-05

[edit] New Wave vs. New Romantic

I've changed the New Romantic link in the lead section back to the broader New Wave music; the term "New Romantic" was a subgenre of New Wave, was almost never used outside the UK, and was only applied to the band for a year or so at the very beginning of their career. The New Romantic link is included in the "origins" section, as it should be, but I don't think it belongs in the lead section, as it doesn't sum up their place (such as it is) in music history as well. New Wave encompasses many more of their contemporaries and competitors. While they're certainly on the list at New Romantic, they've also been on our List of New Wave bands and artists since 2002 (well before my first edit here). Hope that explains my reasoning. Thanks, — Catherine\talk 03:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gay icons

I would support placing them in a gay icons category. I know they do have a very large gay following, and even in the film American Pie 2 they implied that a night club was gay by playing "A View to a Kill"--68.126.145.15 19:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

But they aren't gay, so how could they be gay icons? Would a gay artist with straight fans be a straight icon? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.126.214.137 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Not also to mention Le Bon is married to a hot supermodel! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.112.2.112 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I would want to see multiple references about their "large gay following" before agreeing to put them in a gay icon category. Otherwise it smacks of POV. Elonka 22:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
?????????? You say "I know they have a very large gay following" .... where does this come from? do you have a source for this?? It seems the sexuality might be part of your opinion rather than fact ????????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.112.2.112 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Duran are not & never have been gay icons, its a complete load of rubbish. Seeing as the only arguement here is that one of their songs was played to implied that a night club was gay in a very cliched juvenile film, doesn't mean that the band are gay icons. I am friends with many gay people & familiar with gay icons & culture, Duran Duran are NOT gay icons, anyone who thinks this is incorrect should at least provode links to back up what they are claiming. It isn't enough just to say "I know they have a very large gay following". (Khanada 22:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC))
Let's go easy on the "rubbish"; we're all trying to make a a better article, and that's the sort of thing that can easily be interpreted as a personal attack. The fact is that I have heard that some people consider them gay icons of a sort -- perhaps not on the level of Judy Garland and such, but it's not completely insane, either. And no, they don't have to be gay themselves to be adopted as an icon by that community. However, as you and Elonka have said, nothing should go into the article unless some firm references are found -- I'll poke around and see what I can find one way or the other. — Catherine\talk 23:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Most Gay Icons are not Gay ie: Madonna, Kylie Minogue, lots of Divas. I just think the gay icon thing with Duran came about from straight people thinking they were gay, nothing to do with being gay icons. Duran Duran's music & image are inconsistent with what gay icons are. Freddie Mercury is as gay as a naval gymnast yet Queen would not be considered a gay icon. (Khanada 00:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC))

A Google search for "duran duran" and "gay icon" turned up only a few links that explicitly make the connection:

  • Gay icons of the 20th century, Eye Weekly (Toronto alternative magazine), near the bottom of the list
  • Queer Eye soundtrack review, ePinions (not a citable source, but illustrative), "Duran Duran were supposedly straight, but their anthems of excess and their elaborate makeup and hairdos make them honorary members of the gay music scene."

Some interesting quotes though: Simon Le Bon: "I suppose we have adopted a certain flamboyance which, for some reason, has always been associated with gay people, and not everybody finds that easy to accept. But again this is just an example of people's attempts to separate everything into categories, to say this is gay but that isn't. It seems very silly to me because, after all, gay people are I exactly the same as everybody else in everything but their sexual habits. The people who insist on this sort of separation must have very closed minds." [17]

Nick Rhodes: “We’ve always had a strong gay following, which is great. It’s not something we ever thought of consciously. Because I just want anyone to get into the band, I’ve never differentiated at all. I think a certain amount of androgyny has always been a part of us. We sort of came out of the things we grew up with: glam-rock, which was a major influence, and then disco and punk rock somewhere along the way. We always had a very strong bond with the gay audience.” The Weekly News, Florida, July 13 2000

So not enough to go on in a cursory Googling, but more information is welcome if anyone would like to provide it. — Catherine\talk 23:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] end of Warren's time in the band

Edited this section today to make it more accurate (they fired him in person and we announced it before they did, against their wishes) and wrap up his time in the band with the Japan dates. -- Cucfan

I think the misapprehension, which I didn't add, came from the (supposedly) direct quote from Warren in the Notorious unauthorized biography, page 263. But I assume you'd know better than most what really happened.  :) I appreciate you setting the record straight. -- Catherine/artslave
I'll try to confirm this with him - if it's in the Notorious bio, it's a direct quote and is much more recent than what he told me back when it was happening and talked about in the "High Times" article (2001) -- CucFan.
The quote says, "We all went back home and the next thing I heard was when a letter arrived by special delivery at my house sacking me from the band. I read it and I was absolutely shocked because no one had said anything to me, I didn't have a f***ing clue. I called Simon straight away and he said, "Sorry, Warren, it's got to be like this" because they were getting the original band together." Hope that helps, — Catherine\talk 17:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electronic

Electronic is not an accurate description of this bands music, Nick Rhodes may have been one of the main forces behind Duran Duran & he is without a doubt an electronic music wizard, most of Duran Durans music has equal measures of bass, lead guitar & keyboards. I have removed the "electronic" tag. (Khanada 12:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC))

And the words "synthesizer driven" are far more accurate with out the need to refer to them as an electonic band. (Khanada 05:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC))
I agree, I had been a bit uneasy about that for a while, but I have always figured I am too close to the music to really judge how the mainstream categorizes them. Thanks for the edit. — Catherine\talk 23:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Single, Discography, related, many comments on that

"Rio (Duran Duran single)" is quite poorly written with no additional info on the single except that on synth use. "The Wild Boys" - you don't have it. "My Own Way", just the infobox and absolutely no info, not even from what album is the single from. Please fill in the missing data, otherwise you don't need that article.

I might have made a few mistakes too but... Hey I'm not responsible for this I don't listen to them, I just converted the infoboxes. And this is a featured article, while their best singles are so lamely described???? This is not vandalism, it is critical commentary on the content.

I have used album infoboxes but if you wan't the infobox containing from what album is it just add "from Album = " after the artist column (row actually, you know what i mean). Example is "Too Much Information" if you even care to do such an update but you can just mention in the text This single is taken from the album.... I don't know from what albums they come, nor have time to search.

If you already have a table for singles then why are they listed before with the same info and with links, and they are not linked in the tables??

So that's it for now. I at least converted the infoboxes since nobody else cares about that! A little thanks on my talk page would be a sign that at least somebody cares? Death2 07:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the work on the infoboxes, and for the comments. Rio (single) has been moved and expanded a bit (needs more work though), The Wild Boys (single) was there, just not under that name, and My Own Way has been expanded. We're slowly working on tidying the rest. Duran Duran discography has been cleaned up too. Any other suggestions? — Catherine\talk 18:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NEW ALBUM (2006)

Did anyone hear the rumour that the new album is called Gloss?

Yep, I've heard it. The name was invented (along with many others) as a joke on the DD.com message boards. Somehow an Italian fan group picked it up, and the rumour ended up being printed in Italian media, and now is being picked up in some English media again.  :) Not that I wouldn't put it past Duran Duran to actually pick it as a title....it sounds like a DD album, doesn't it? Anyway, just a rumour for now -- they're being very close-lipped about the album this time around (and you can be sure they're trying not to let any demos leak like last time, too!) — Catherine\talk 18:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fansite links

These look like they're due for a pruning... I doubt it's spamming but it's not looking too healthy. TheGrappler 20:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair 'nuff, it has grown a bit. The ones I leave will be the ones that really are significant among the fan community. — Catherine\talk 22:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

Shouldn't the first line be "Duran Duran are a English (or british) New Wave band" instead of just "Duran Duran are a New Wave band".

In the infobox, for country it say Birmingham, England instead of just England.

Will fix. — Catherine\talk 02:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earlier songs not mentioned?...

I've searched through Wikipedia and can't find any information about songs that Duran Duran DID produce in 1978 which include Secret Oktober, Faster than light, Fame...etc.

I can remember those three songs, but not any of the others. Does anyone know what the other songs are, and the title of the album?

Jamie

Up until about 1989, Duran Duran 7" and 12" singles always had original songs (or covers not released elsewhere) on the b-side of their singles -- none of those songs were ever released on an album. However, you can now get them on CD in the Singles Box Set 1981-1985 from Capitol/EMI).
  • Planet Earth / Late Bar
  • Careless Memories / Khanada & Fame (a cover of the David Bowie song)
  • Girls on Film / Faster Than Light
  • My Own Way / Like An Angel
  • Hungry Like the Wolf / Careless Memories (live)
  • Save A Prayer / Hold Back the Rain (remix)
  • Rio / The Chauffeur
  • Something I Should Know / Faith in this Colour (instrumental)
  • Union of the Snake / Secret Oktober
  • New Moon on Monday / Tiger Tiger (instrumental)
  • The Reflex / Make Me Smile (Come Up and See Me) - (a cover of the Cockney Rebel song)
  • The Wild Boys / Cracks in the Pavement (live)
  • A View To A Kill / That Fatal Kiss (instrumental version of A View To A Kill)
  • Notorious / Winter Marches On
  • Skin Trade / We Need You
  • All She Wants Is / I Believe-All I Need To Know (medley)


...and then they started using remixes of the single or album tracks as bonus tracks, instead of unique recordings. Hope that helps! — Catherine\talk 16:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 dates and rumours

i like the table of dates for 2006. and i'm glad that the rumour about Andy Taylor was taken down... do people agree that its not a place for rumours? keep up the good work..

I'm slightly uneasy with having timely information like the tour dates in there -- Wikipedia articles in general try not to talk much about future dates, and things like this don't make much sense when a mirror site like answers.com legally copies our content -- those dates might stay up on a mirror site for months after the tour has finished! I'm leaving it for now, as I know that I will be continuing to watch and update this article daily, but dates will be coming down as soon as they have passed.
But yes, I agree wholeheartedly that this isn't the place for rumours -- anyone who wants those can find them by the bucketful at the http://www.duranduran.com Fan Forums message board! No one knows what the heck is going on with Andy right now, and per Wikipedia:Reliable sources it shouldn't be mentioned here until dd.com makes an official announcement. — Catherine\talk 18:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1997-2001 section

Cleaned up some typoes & misspellings, moved the Nick Rhodes vocal comment to the Medazzaland paragraph from the Pop Trash paragraph, added Wes's type of cancer, removed the subjective & uncited Depeche Mode comparison for the Pop Trash album. --- Cucfan

Thanks Cucfan! I think I may move some of that detail to the Medazzaland article; this one is sprawling enough as it is. — Catherine\talk 20:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research?

Some of today's hottest pop stars are most definately taking cues from Duran Duran's blueprint for music video making. Just look at Snoop Dogg's video for "Signs" with Justin Timberlake. Though that particular video was shot on the Las Vegas Strip and not on an exotic beach, the formula that Duran Duran had used is most definately present; beautiful women, sharp dressed men and pleanty of bling. Gwen Stefani's videos for "What You Waiting For?", "Rich Girl" and "Cool" all have a sort of whimsical feel to them, much like Duran Duran's did in the '80s.

Seems pretty much like original research to me. Its not even written properly for an encyclopedia. I think it should be removed.

TommyStardust 17:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Power Station Hard Rocking?

Obviously Power Station was more guitar driven than most Duran Duran material. However, there was still an emphasis on RnB/Funk style dance grooves. I mean they had the drummer from CHIC, how much more funky can you get. The article sounds like they could have been touring with RATT or Motley Crue. (ALV) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.225.143.253 (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

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