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1 New category
2 Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. state capitols
3 Lighthouse coordinates
4 Your edits to Concorde
5 Upper Mississippi bridges
6 Black Hawk Bridge
7 More about Mississippi River bridges
8 Radar edit
9 Request for Arb.
10 Phoenix project
11 Illinois GA thoughts

New category

Based on some of your edits, this may be of interest to you: Category:Wikipedians who are pilots. Best regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 16:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not a pilot, so I'd better not join that category. Maybe I'll join Category:Wikipedians interested in aviation --Dual Freq 03:30, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. state capitols

I saw that you have been creating new state capitol articles and updating the status table at the Wikiproject. Hence, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind adding your name to the list of project members. Pentawing 21:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I was adding Template:Geolinks-US-streetscale to some building/structure pages and stumbled upon some capitols that didn't have geolinks on them. I added a few geolinks until I saw the redlinks on the Capitol Wikiproject page. I thought I'd make some stubs to clear up the redlinks. I hope that's not a problem. They are basically copies of the Iowa State Capitol page, so nothing too decent. As for joining the Wikiproject, I'm not sure that I have any long term initiative to create well researched and referenced articles on US state capitols. Just some stubs for now, maybe I can get the rest of the redlinks, but probably not. --Dual Freq 21:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Lighthouse coordinates

In some of the lighthouse articles you edited this morning, you supplied coordinates that are different from those I previously put in the articles. Can you give me the source(s) for those coordinates? I want to resolve the discrepancies, if possible. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 11:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering why those were different as well. What I can tell you is I spent several minutes on each one examining the aerial photo and I put the X on the the lighthouse and wrote down the number in the article. Most of them were easy to see on the map because of the long shadow. Key West was a bit harder though since it's in the middle of town. I think the initial coordinates were on the beach about a mile away. Look at the aerial photo linked to the coordinates on the aerial photo at highest zoom. It's on there. I tried to use USCG light lists, but discovered that the locations in the list were approximate per page 13 of Ref2005.pdf on the light list page at the NAV center. I located the light on the topo or the aerial photo and updated to coordinates. Please list the ones you disagree with, and I'll explain those individually. --Dual Freq 14:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

The Key West Light coords are from an 1848 list (in Reef Lights by Love Dean). The original tower was destroyed in the 1846 hurricane, and the current tower was completed in 1849, so it is not clear which site the coords are for. The Cape Florida Lighthouse coords are also from the 1848 list. That is a fairly large discrepancy. The difference in the Alligator Reef Lighthouse coords seem to simply be that the coords I had are in tenths of minutes, and you have them in seconds. I will also note that if someone challenges the coordinates you have calculated, they could be removed because you obtained them by original reasearch rather than from a published source. I don't think anyone will challenge them, however. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 14:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

My source is the USGS topo and the USGS aerial photo. Also the coordinates I used are in the WGS-84 grid, which was not around in 1848. The 1848 numbers seem to be estimates, especially the Cape Florida one. Not listing seconds is a clear indication of an estimate. I don't know much about original research, but looking at a published map and copying coordinates doesn't seem like original research to me. Compare the photos for the Key West and Cape Florida Lighthouse, judge the map and see for yourself. I added comparisons to the talk pages of both. --Dual Freq 15:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

My reasoning for updating these was so that somebody with a GPS could find the site and visit the lighthouse. Additionally, I wanted wikipedia users to be able to sit at home and visit the area via a map or aerial photo. I also needed to update the name of the template. When I was updating the infobox, I used the coordinates you listed first, but when they came up so far off, I felt obligated to correct them. I guess I should have figured it would upset someone, but I thought that once the images were viewed, then there would be no doubt that the new numbers were correct. I guess the next logical question is, should I continue to update these with correct locations or are you asking me to stop? --Dual Freq 15:47, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not upset, and I guess I misunderstood how you were getting the coordinates, so please continue. I am surprised that even an old list would have wrong coordinates, given how important knowing the position of a lighthouse was to mariners. All of the lights should have coordinates (and a lot of other articles I'm looking at, as well); I haven't looked very hard for coordinates for the lights that don't have any in the books and web sites I'm working from. Nice job on the changes to the template, by the way. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 17:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Concorde

Thanks for your help in cleaning up aircraft articles. However, you AWB cleanup of Concorde broke the template output (please preview your changes before saving them, it's quite obvious). The </li> and <li> tags have to be there for proper formatting, wiki-style asterixes do not work. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 04:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'll have to go back and look at the others that I did. It didn't look wrong when I used preview, and looking back at it now, I'm not seeing much difference. Maybe this is an IE vs Firefox difference. I'll have to take a closer look at those. --Dual Freq 12:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It does look different, but for all I knew, that was how it looked before. Maybe I need to look at the previous page in plain old IE and see what the template looked like before. --Dual Freq 12:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. When you use asterixes instead of <li> the lines are indented relative to the rest of the specs. It's not awful but it looks a bit messy. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 20:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Upper Mississippi bridges

I noticed you're working on a list of Upper Mississippi River Bridges. I live in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, so I've started to work on articles about bridges in the area. I have a couple additions to the list:

St. Paul - Union Pacific (formerly Chicago Great Western) railroad bridge, just slightly upstream from the Robert Street Bridge -- in fact, the Robert Street Bridge was engineered around the railroad bridge
St. Paul - Omaha Road Bridge #15, another railroad bridge located upstream from the High Bridge (St. Paul)
Minneapolis - Northern Pacific Bridge #9, which crosses the river between the I-94 bridge and the Cedar Avenue Bridge. The railroad track connected with the railroad just north of the University of Minnesota campus, though the track has since been removed.

There are a few bridges up north of Anoka, Minnesota:

Elk River - County Road 42 crosses from downtown Elk River to Otsego
Monticello - Minnesota State Highway 25
Clearwater - Minnesota State Highway 24

Further upriver, in the St. Cloud area, there are several bridges, and I haven't even totally counted all the bridges upriver of there. It seems like the Mississippi is easier to cross when it's not so wide.

I'm wondering if you're interested in these bridges for your list, and whether they're noteworthy enough for inclusion somewhere. If you want, I can help with additions and corrections to the list, like the geographic coordinates and such. Let me know if you're interested. --E lkman - ^(talk) 22:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

The list started out just so I could keep track of a few bridges and eventually grew into the list it is now. Initially, I wasn't going to include rail, but I have added a bunch to the list. I wasn't going to include historical / demolished bridges, but I have added a bunch of those, too. Once I got to the Twin Cities it became very complicated because of the quantity of bridges. It's also harder to name the rail bridges. Since I'm not exactly a wikipedia expert or a Minnesota Historian, I don't know how to name the railroad bridges. The list isn't complete and I'm not sure where the page is going. As for help, I'm not sure you should waste your time, because I'm not sure if it will ever become a main page. It's very different than other list pages, like the List of crossings of the Ohio River, but I like the table format better than the list format.

As for coordinates, I'm using USA PhotoMaps software from http://www.jdmcox.com and writing down locations of the bridges on the USGS Aerial photo. I've found it to be very accurate in the past, so if any coord are wrong it shouldn't be by very much, unless its a typo. Of course, some missing minutes and seconds are not complete. --Dual Freq 00:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't really know what all the railroad bridges are named, either. The only one I really know about is CStPM&O Bridge #15. (Well, and of course, the Stone Arch Bridge -- but that's much more of a landmark than any other railroad bridge around here.) I won't worry about contributions, but the list is a pretty good reference -- I'll keep my eye on it. --E lkman - ^(talk) 03:59, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Black Hawk Bridge

Your comments are appreciated. I am only now figuring how to upload images. I'm just dumbly copying syntax from other articles to insert the photo. As for a larger image, feel free to do this. I see you really are interested in bridges. The upstream Minnesota bridges seem not to be covered as yet. There should be a similar project for the locks and dams. --FourthAve 03:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

More about Mississippi River bridges

I found a book at the library that has plenty of information about Mississippi River bridges in Minnesota:

Costello, Mary Charlotte (2002). Climbing the Mississippi River Bridge by Bridge, Volume Two: Minnesota, Cambridge, MN: Adventure Publications. ISBN 0-9644518-2-4.

This is the second of two volumes; the first volume covers the 86 bridges between New Orleans and the Iowa/Minnesota border. (Would you believe that there are 135 bridges listed in the second volume?) The books have sketches of each bridge, along with an infobox and a review of the bridge (some historic, some not). If you're interested, I'd certainly recommend checking one or both books out.

I don't know if every last one of the bridges is notable enough to do an article on (like "Francis and Janice Feil's Private Mississippi River Bridge", which is only 22 feet long and 11 miles downstream from Lake Itasca), but I'm going to see if I can at least get the bridges up to St. Cloud, Minnesota done before I need to return the book. --E lkman - ^(talk) 22:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Good point, thanks for the reference book list. I was wondering if it was worth going to the source, but the page is so close right now I thought I should at least try, for the sake of completeness. I guess the list is just a list, not necessarily a call for an article about each item on the list. That Winona Main channel vs North Channel Bridge slipped by me. I was looking at bridges that crossed the navigable portion of the bridges, but the North Channel bridge crosses the state line. Both are listed in the HAER record, but the Main Channel bridge is the more complex of the two. Maybe the Wikipedia article can be renamed and made to address both bridges. La Crosse is another one with two bridges, east / west, I may have screwed that one up too. --Dual Freq 23:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Radar edit

You have edited the radar article to substract historical mentions to the experiment on the ship Normandie and the first radar network in England, mentionning that this should be in another section. I agree that this could be in an HISTORY section. However you left the mention about the german experiment in 1904 and the Hungarian one in 1936 which seem to me inconsistent. Either you take everything out or you leave everything.

Could you explain your thought about that?

Pierre_cb April 27th, 2006 13:27 UTC

No offense, but I reverted it mostly because it was added by a user with a very low edit count, and no user page. It also seemed kind of like trivia and didn't really say why it was significant. It was also uncited material and located in the Lead section of a Featured article. Additionally there was no edit summary and the year only was wikilinked contrary to the manual of style. I didn't remove the rest because it has been there a while and I didn't want to rewrite the entire lead section. --Dual Freq 22:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't take offense and I understand this could be in an historical section but the rest of the paragraph is recent too, historical and whitout any direct reference. The whole paragraph should then be remove according to your assesment whitout need of a rewrite. There is a link at the bottom of the article about the history of radar and this should be refered to early in the article to avoid such repeat.

Pierre_cb April 27th, 2006 22:37 UTC

I don't know that the lead section of an article is the right place to point to another article. If you need help with the article you could edit Talk:Radar and ask for help/opinions. --Dual Freq 23:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Request for Arb.

I wrote the Black Hawk Bridge article.

See this [[1]]

See also you my and your own edits for Julien Dubuque Bridge. Then see User talk:Johnleemk.

Then snoop here: [2]]

Yes, all of your edits, and all of your mail are open to anyone who knows how to access it.

I gotta a nut case here.

User talk:Johnleemk is the best authority here.--FourthAve 08:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I want to get involved with this. I recall reverting a couple of your edits on some Dubuque area bridge article. I think one was a Julien Dubuque Bridge [3]. I'm not sure if your edits were vandalism, but it didn't look like it belonged in the article. As far as the Black Hawk Bridge article goes, I only contacted you to try to get you to properly caption and source the image. In the end, I had to upload a larger image to replace it and revise the source page to properly credit the Library of Congress instead of the Smithsonian Institute. Other than that I have had no dealings with you or the other users listed here. If you stick to the facts and stay away from adding things like, "the bridge is ugly" then you'll probably be fine. Personally, I try to stay away from politically charged articles. --Dual Freq 13:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)