Talk:Dornier Do 17

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I believe there has been a typo on this page. At the article on the Do17-P1 there is a photo identified as a Do19-P1. It seems obvious that the designation should have been Do17-P1 instead.

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Angela 00:10, Sep 11, 2003 (UTC)


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The Lufthansa story is a cover:

Do 17, Von Origional Zum Modell (German for "From original to model") says that, like the He-111 and Ju-86, the Do-17 was built with a duality, with an eye to be either transport or a bomber.

Airplane Enthusiast / 30 (1981 issue) is even more start, saying that the effort for a civil version is only to support the cover story.

From Joe Kudrna, maintainer of the Do 17 site listed on the page.

Maury 22:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


Geez, these are secondary and tertiary sources. Who made up that cover story for what purpose? How was it disproved? (Was it disproved at all, or is it just an "it appears that ..." thing?) An airliner converted into a bomber was violating the Versailles treaty just as clearly as a purpose-built bomber, so why bother with an elaborate cover story involving a named Luftwaffe officer that fails to cover the main point of the issue? If you can, answer in the article, if you can't, at least use NPOV techniques to include both versions. --172.178.206.123 22:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


Sorry to say, but the whole story of the genesis of Do 17 is a pure invention. The Air Enthusiast # 30 March/June 1986 (not Airplane Enthusiast, as user Maury writes) gives the true running of. This article is based on an other in three parts, which appeared in German magazine Luftfahrt International 1, 2 and 3/83. The first sentence of Air Enthusiast, set off in a box, says: "It has been stated and frequently reiterated, that the Do 17 was conceived to meet a Lufthansa requirement for a high-speed mailplane capable of transporting six passengers, and, furthermore, that the first three prototypes were passed to the airline for evaluation, but rejected on the basis of the limited commercial appeal offered by their passenger accomodation. It has also been alleged that the prototypes after their return to Dornier by Lufthansa, languished at the Löwenthal factory until stumbled upon by chance by one Flugkapitän Untucht of Lufthansa, a former Dornier employee, who proposed to the RLM that the aircraft be adapted as a bomber. The researches of Karl Kössler (author of the German article) have proved, that this story is totally fallacious and that Lufthansa's involvement in the Do 17 development was purely peripheral."

And the last sentence of Air Enthusiast's article expresses: "The editors wish to acknowledge their indebtness to Herr Karl Kössler for his research, published in Luftfahrt International, which clarified the early development history of the Do 17 series."

So I think, that somebody of the many users which had already changed or replaced parts of this Wikipedia article should rewrite it completely on the base of Air Enthusiast, or even better, using the German original.

Corrector 12:30 8 November 2005