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Contents 1 Fair Use 2 Definition of a "Donkey Kong" game 3 Italics in titles discussion 4 Color contrast

[edit] Fair Use

WP:FU lists the criteria used to determine if the use of a copyrighted work constitutes "fair use" (17 U.S.C. § 107)--

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
   Wikipedia is non-profit AFAIK, so the usage here of a screen shot from a videogame seems consistant with fair use.
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
   The image in use is merely a screenshot of the title screen for the arcade game. Taken as a whole, this screen shot of the logo is but a small portion of the actual copyrighted work.
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
   Use of the screenshot does not affect the marketability or value of the Donkey Kong video game.

I don't believe there's a case to be made here that use of the logo in this context isn't consistant with fair use. -Locke Cole 05:43, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

"Purpose and character of the use" is more specific than "used on an encyclopedia". For Wikipedia, it needs to be considered on an article-by-article basis. For example, an album cover picturing a rose would not be fair use to illustrate the article Rose, even though it would be fair use for illustrating an article on the album itself.

Also, there's more than just the law to consider. There are also Wikipedia rules for fair use. In particular, this use violates the rules on "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose" and "The material should only be used in the article namespace. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages"

--Carnildo 05:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Please note that WP:FU is not official policy, ergo, it is not a set of "rules". They are suggestive guidelines and nothing more. I believe the use of the image qualifies as "fair use" in that it provides a snapshot of the series of games being discussed (a snapshot that, given how small it is in comparison to providing a copy of the entire playable game, makes it miniscule IMO).

The old saying is "a picture is worth a thousand words" is true. I believe a picture of the logo says more about the series than simply having "Donky Kong series". -Locke Cole 06:43, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

You say it says more about the series than simply having "Donkey Kong series" does. What do you think it says? To me, it says exactly two words: "Donkey Kong". --Carnildo 19:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

You're not looking at the old 80's design then or getting the sense of nostalgia from seeing the original Donkey Kong logo. Sure, taken literally all it says is "Donkey Kong", but I think it

I dont see how its against policy? If it directly relates to all the pages its on, shouldnt it be fair use? It's like putting the Coat of arms on every page that has a monarch in the House of Windsor. --larsinio 19:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

If it directly relates to all the pages its on, it should be in the article text itself, not in a template. The logo in question is a logo for Donkey Kong; many of the games listed on the templates have different logos, so this doesn't seem to relate well to all of the articles this template is used in. Your coat of arms example may be against our fair use guidelines as well. To reply to an above comment, claiming that Wikipedia is a nonprofit to justify the purpose and character of the use is probably not sufficient. Wikipedia is intended to be a free (as in freely redistributable) encyclopedia, and many of our reusers are not nonprofit organisations. We should endeavour to use "fair use" images in ways that will be more likely to be fair use for commercial reusers, and we can ensure that we do by following the fair use guidelines at WP:FU. JYolkowski // talk 21:00, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

That I included it on the template is just a technicality in my mind. The template itself is included in every page it's used on. If we were looking at the template alone as an article, I'd agree with the arguments here, but that's just not the case. With regard to the purpose and character of the use, I believe the use here is consistant with fair use (be it for commercial or non-commercial use). -Locke Cole 06:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of a "Donkey Kong" game

Any definition of "Donkey Kong game" that doesn't include the two games actually named "Donkey Kong" is not workable.

Think about this template not as a definition of "this game features Donkey Kong," but as a tool to navigate related games. Someone reading about the original Donkey Kong is very likely to be interested in the two sequels to that game, both DK Jr. and the 1994 Game Boy sequel. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 09:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

DK '94 is a remake. It's the same plot, with the same levels and 100 levels added onto that. - A Link to the Past (talk) 12:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

On that note, somebody removed DK'94 and Mario vs DK from the template (coincidentally, ones I added) because they starred Mario and not DK himself. Well, I guess we should remove DK, DK Jr, DK III, DKC2, DKC3, DKL2, DKL3, and DK Jr Math. None of those games starred DK. --Zeromaru^TC 14:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

The somebody was User:A Link to the Past, and the above comment is my explanation for reverting this change. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 14:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

At least those games starred A Kong. - A Link to the Past (talk) 14:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Don't you even start. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 15:01, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

When i made this template originally it was just to navigate ALL kong games, like you would for mario or anything else. the image is causing too much drama so for now just keep it off. But it would make no sense to remove the DKC games or something and split the templates into smaller ones. Subcategory maybe, but not a split template --larsinio 15:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

No drama man, I'll leave it off for the time being if it gets reverted again. It's just annoying having people drop in and be judge-jury-executioner as if they own this place. In so far as what games do or don't belong, I think the way it is now is fine. I certainly don't think the original DK should be excluded from the series. :P -Locke Cole 15:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd enjoy starting, AMIB. You are arguing that DK, DK Jr., DK3, DK '94 are all Donkey Kong games, but that is only on the basis that they use the Donkey Kong name. In Donkey Kong, '94 and 3, his role in the game is no more different from Bowser's, and DK '94 is a remake of DK. In THAT fact, the exposure argument just doesn't work - DK '94 lessened his exposure in the game greatly, and it essentially became the ideal version of DK. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Italics in titles discussion

There is currently a discussion re: italics in titles at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style (titles)#Italic_in_templates. Anyone with an interest in this should participate in the discussion there. Thanks! —Locke Cole ^{(talk) (e-mail)} 06:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Color contrast

Wow, seriously consider changing the color scheme of this template. I can see that you're trying to go for the DK-themed color but the contrast between the blue and the brown makes the template's title absolutely impossible to see. Kindly consider a lighter or more discernable color, thanks. Axem Titanium 21:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Aieeeee. I've changed that, yeah. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)