Talk:Don Dunstan

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[edit] Expansion

I'll be significantly adding to this article in the next few weeks / months. If Dunstan is of particular interest to any editors, I'd greatly appreciate any input regarding my additions - he's got a very controversial place in the history books. michael talk 06:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll try and help out. It'd be great if we could have quality articles on both Dunstan and Playford IV, the two most dominant people in our history.--cj | talk 08:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Structure

Intro

  1. Early life
  2. Ascent to power
  3. The Dunstan Decade
    1. Election Wins
    2. Festival State
    3. Social Reform
    4. Cultural Change
    5. Electoral Reform
  4. Life after Politics
  5. Legacy

Current plan - feel free to make changes. michael talk 07:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Rebecca 09:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Making Dunstan into a FAC had been part of my long term plan (after finishing the rest of the South Australian Premiers). Good start and I will be helping where I can. This may be down the track a bit but some suitable images would be great and the image of him in pink hot pants on the steps of Parliament House ideal but we may have to dig for them. --Roisterer 12:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Specially tailored pink shorts if I can remember correctly! A character. michael talk 14:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

  • Don Dunstan, Politics and Passion: Selected Essays from the Adelaide Review, John Spoehr, Bookends Books, Adelaide, 2000 - got it
  • Felicia: The Political Memoirs of Don Dunstan, Don Dunstan, Macmillan, Melbourne, 1981 - just purchased it
  • The Dunstan Decade, Andrew Parkin and Alan Patience (Editors), Longman Cheshire Pty. Ltd, Melbourne, 1981 - haven't got it
  • Playford to Dunstan, Neal Blewett and Dean Jaensch, Cheshire Publishing Ltd, Melbourne, 1971 - got it
  • Don Dunstan: The first 25 years in Parliament, Richard Yeeles, Hill of Content Publishing Company Pty. Ltd, Melbourne, 1978 - got it

Any others that you can suggest? michael talk 12:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hm. These resources may be of some use if you can track them down. A bit of a search also came up with this book, which sounds potentially useful. Rebecca 13:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Cheers, I don't know how easy it'll be to grab the university records, but I'll definitely try to find that book. michael talk 14:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
They're not just university records, though - it lists the date and paper and page of all the newspaper articles/biographies, if you (or I) can be bothered looking them up by normal means. Anything else that's really crucial there is quite possibly in the National Library archives, too. Rebecca 01:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I've got a feeling I'll have to schedule another trip to the State Library. Oh, well. michael talk 02:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
For a critical view of Dunstan, you may wish to check out It's Grossly Improper by Des Ryan and Mike McEwen (there's a copy at the SA State Library). Additionally, the book A Liberal awakening: the LM story [by] Steele Hall [and others] will probably include critical comments on Dunstan (it's been a while since I read it). Even if this is not the case, I recommend the book as an interesting document on 70s politics in South Australia. The State Library also has a copy. The article is looking great. --Roisterer 14:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I ended up buying a copy of Felicia (signed too!) and its well worth it, just for the read itself - it'll come especially handy when I get to the 'Dunstan Decade' section. Walter Crocker's book on Playford dedicates an entire section on Dunstan (almost completely negative) but I will see if I can find those two you have suggested. Thanks for the comments regarding the article. :) michael talk 14:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivisions

Is there any reason for the particular subdivisions of the Dunstan Decade section? It seems a little strange to have seperate subdivisions for the relatively minor (in the scheme of things) changes with festivals and the role of the governor, and then to cram everything else in an "other section". It seems to me that it might be better to take this chronologically (or to go by the above five-section plan). Rebecca 14:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

They'll probably disappear. I just need to organise my information, and there's a lot of it. It'll probably end up chronological. michael talk 14:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

There is going to be a big problem in regard to obtaining images for this article. There are next to none online, and I have no others I can easily access. Any suggestions? michael talk 06:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Flinders University was endowed with the Dunstan Collection in 1988 by the man himself. There is an Online Photographic Database. However, beware of copyright and conditions of access. I think the copyright of most images is held by the Advertiser. The Don Dunstan Foundation might be able to help out if a request is put to them. Also, you could try the South Australiana Database of the State Library.--cj | talk 06:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy

I don't think I should include this section. Its contents should be removed or integrated into the rest of the article if possible. There's too much a chance of original research - whether positive or negative. Any comments? michael talk 15:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] query arising from FAR

"liberal conservative Liberal and Country League (LCL)"—I wonder whether the epithet can be piped to just "conservative". I'm sure that it's the way the coalition would have described itself then, and would today too. That would avoid the cumbersome repetition of "liberal". Tony 04:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EXCELLENT article

Wow. Just wow. This article is incredibly detailed and very well written. My congratulations go to beneaththelandslide aka michael. Very well done and top notch effort! Timeshift 12:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Is this going to go on FAC? I think it's been ready for a while now. Rebecca 00:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm just waiting for the peer review to end. Once that's done, I'll tidy up the fair-use rationales on the images and then it'll go on FAC. michael talk 00:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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