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[edit] Code as expression

This section makes good points, but perhaps data.ma is not notable enough and another example should be used? 24.222.121.193 03:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I replaced the data.ma (spam?) with del.icio.us. I do not see the point in using an unknown domain hack as an example when there are plenty of well known examples to use (del.icio.us, blo.gs, cr.yp.to, rome.ro, etc.) 24.222.121.193 17:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
fair point, but del.icio.us is a English word and the point I was making with the data.ma project is that creativity is in the construction of new 'word objects' by using such devices like domain hacks. The intention of the del.icio.us domain hack was not expression (it's never beendiscussed as by Joshua), unlike data.ma. The data.ma name was designed under the notion of expression and thus is a better example of 'code as expression'. I appreciate that you may see it as spam (I work on the datama project), but the project is a non profit exercise, very open and is a plstform to explore expression in code. If we keep refering to del.icio.us, the creative paradigms wont appear. I've reverted the text to include data.ma. Please comment below before reverting again. Thanks. Zeroinfluencer 02:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I think what you are trying to showcase is great, but what I'm not sure about is how data.ma conveys that info better than del.ici.us. I automatically assumed del.icio.us was some form of expression, but maybe I am missing your point. Maybe cr.yp.to would be better? Do whatever is best for the article. (BTW, when replying use four tildas in a row to show your info.) 24.222.121.193 01:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
http://data.ma/ is a bad example for at least this one point: it forwards to another URL. If the URL was so important, why is this happening? This really makes data.ma look like spam (not something you wish for I assume.) 24.222.121.193 01:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
data.ma forwards to a wordpress account as we are try to keep the project as flexible as possible at present; maybe we'll move it to our own hosted environment at some point when we're a bit more organised, but we are talking about the domain name, not the hosting environments here.
Apols if it looks like spam (I really see your point about this - I withdrew/left the wiki entry on datama based upon this point). The datam.ma domain name is different to del.icio.us or cr.yp.to as it moves away from the instantly recognisable english or slang/nickname and begins to indicate that objects of expression can be born out of code. The pronouciation of del.icio.us doesn't conjour emotion like the word data.ma (try saying them both outloud and you'll hear the difference). This transferance of expression from object to human does make it unique - at least I haven't seen anything like it.
Being able to transfer emotion through code-objects is the nature of the project; del.icio.us on the other hand is far more banal, literal and maybe irrelevent considering the service that is currently delivers. data.ma also is an accessable word across many languages - it's simplicity/refinement is yet another case in mind when designing code-objects - del.icio.us (as stated in the Criticisms section) can be difficult to remember where the periods go, thus as a domain name it partially fails as at being as useful object. Perhaps I should use these points and expand upon the Code as Expression entry...Zeroinfluencer 02:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe there is a more notable (and used) domain hack to convey this same information? Is there? There are thousands of domain hacks registered (most of which are not used and/or not notable). I'm not sure if notability matters, but I think it does as it helps the reader understand quicker if they already have a piece of prior knowledge that places them one step in the right direction beforehand. 24.222.121.193 02:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
We've added a load new content to the data.ma site, so anyone clicking though should understand what 'code as expression' will mean by reading about the project. I wish I knew more notable examples too..Zeroinfluencer 19:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The point of using a notable example is to avoid extra research, isn't it? We should try to explain the information to the visitor as quickly and effeciently as possible. 24.222.121.193 17:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed this section from the article. More than just "original research", it seemed to me highly speculative and un-encyclopedic. Fluff, to put it bluntly. John Kugelman 13:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should These Domains be Added to Domain Hacks list?

domain hacks list deleted

Note: As per "List of active or registered domain hacks" section (in this discussion article), the domain hacks list no longer exists. 24.222.121.193 17:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


www.dot.cotton.com?

www.dot.cotton.com???? Saccerzd 21:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

This is not a domain hack. 24.222.121.193 22:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Dot_Cotton was a character in the BBC soap Eastenders. -- RND   talk  21:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you saying this because you believe that makes it a domain hack? It would only be a domain hack if the url was http://dotcott.on/ (which is not a possible example) or something similar where the TLD is a part of the title, and all the letters used are a part of the title. I see what you are getting at though. It would be like Dr. Phil using http://dr.phil.com/, where you are somewhat hacking the domain name system. However, only http://dr.ph.il/ (or http://drph.il/, etc.) would be considered a domain hack. It's important for all the letters to be used. 24.222.121.193 19:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps domains like http://dr.phil.com/ could be considered "minor domain hacks". This would be along the lines of domains like http://stop.spamming.us/ being considered "perfect domain hacks" (as the periods are perfectly placed as word separators.)
fuckthe.eu?
fuck.it?

I'm not really sure that *.it or *.to using the words "it" or "to" would be a domain hack. cr.yp.to is a domain hack, this is an expansion of "crypto", similarly if there were a bullsh.it, or (Warning: slashdot-themed suggestion) hotgr.it. Thus propose to remove all those simply using the TLD as a word from the list. Chris talk back 21:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Domains like redirect.to should not be domain hacks, as they are not the full title. However, domains like i.am/canadian should be domain hacks, as they are the full title. Along with that type of classification, fuck.it would be a domain hack. My two cents. 137.186.22.71 23:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
tcl.tk?

I know, it's not strictly a domain hack in some definitions, BUT... It's about a language/toolkit combo named TCL/TK! Isn't that clever enough?

This fits the definition of a domain hack. 137.186.22.11 22:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
As a non-techie, this one makes no sense to me, so I'd like to remove it. If someone can find a way to integrate it into the article in an understandable fashion, that'd be great. Even on the talk page, I don't understand the 'trick'.. -- nae'blis (talk) 17:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, normally it would have to be called tcltk.com, and the domain hack version is tcl.tk. That's all there is to the trick. Please let me know if I'm missing your point. 24.222.121.193 23:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


dau.pl?

Should dau.pl be in the 'notable' list?


.to & .tv ccTLDs?

Perhaps the .to's and .tv's can be excluded from the list (whenever they are used as the word "to" and the word "tv") and described elsewhere with a few notable examples. They are almost too abundant to list and not quite as innovative and as rare as using the ccTLD for only a part of the word. So, listing .to's and .tv's, when they are used as full words, almost degrades the quality of the list. Thoughts? 137.186.22.203 14:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


Notables...BUBL@bath.ac.uk?

Probably not a strict "domain hack", but it was registered in 1990, when Glasgow University built the site to train UK Librarians to use JANET (UK's Joint Academic Network). The Bulletin Board for Libraries was hosted at the University of Bath, making it BUBL@bath.

If others think it fits, please add.

k.greenhill@murdoch.edu.au 10 June 2006

[edit] Most Popular Domain Hack

"The most popular domain hack is del.icio.us." — what's the source for this claim? My gut feeling is that cr.yp.to is more popular, because it's been around longer and Dan Bernstein's tools (qmail, ezmlm, tinydns, etc.) are widely used. What's more, I'm not sure what the proper measure of popularity should really be. Given the nature of the site, I'll grant that del.icio.us almost surely gets more pageviews, but I have no doubt that cr.yp.to has received (and continues to receive) far more unique visitors, most of whom simply download one of the tools and never return. --158.130.16.191 20:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I decided the most popular based on alexa rank. I anticipated that I might be wrong if there was a domain hack I was unaware of or if it were to be measured by different methods. The best is to explain exactly what you said. Give the highest alexa ranked domain hack, and also give the views on cr.yp.to. Perhaps only the most popular domain hacks should be kept in the list below. 137.186.22.19 03:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, I believe the del.icio.us article has this same comment in it, unless it has been changed. Just wanted to make a note of this while it was on my mind, as it is related. 137.186.22.19 03:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
And .us has the same comment about del.icio.us being the mose popular domain hack. 137.186.22.244 14:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I believe that del.icio.us might be more popular than cr.yp.to because the average user/blogger/website owner may not have heard of their tools. Only if you get real into Mr. Bernstein's tools like I have or if you have heard of Qmail on a fora such as The Planet's fora. Simply put, while cr.yp.to might be more established than del.icio.us, I urge all of us not to get susp.icio.us on this and let's just let this be. The Coldwood 08:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of active or registered domain hacks

It would be nice if this information were placed into an easy to read table, which would take far less space, and not require scrolling to browse through them. 137.186.22.143 22:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think a table would be the proper solution, although I personally feel the domain hacks should be listed in a seperate article, like, say, list of active or registered domain hacks. jareha 23:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
That sounds like a very good idea (although I still like the idea of just linking to the website that maintains a list of them, instead of trying to keep a copy of that list here). — mendel ☎ 01:51, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
As I mentioned above, perhaps only the most popular domain hacks should be kept in this list. How do we measure popularity? See discussion on most popular domain hack above. 137.186.22.19 03:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I believe list of domain hacks should be the article. Should I go make it? Then, how do we decide what domain hacks remain in the orignal domain hack article? 137.186.22.101 19:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
A seperate list of domain hacks article has been created. jareha 05:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
This has been deleted and moved to Wikiasite:Internet:list of domain hacks. Angela.

[edit] List of hacks

A few years ago I generated this list of possible domains, with a parser that looked for all valid english scrabble words that could be extended to a second valid english scrabble word with a TLD or SLD. I'd be willing to submit it to en.wp under PD, anyone think it could/should be incorporated? Note: That this is not a full list of all possible english TLD hacks, just ones that are valid both before and after the TLD is added. Also this is a list of only one word hacks. Even so, this list is rather large. Splarka (rant) 23:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Russian and .net sites

Domain hacking was at one time (cca 2000-2001) quite popular in Russia simply because "net" means "no" or "there isn't". So, we have sites like anekdotov.net - "there are no jokes", piva.net - "there is no beer", fishki.net - "there's no point" (slang term) and many others.

  • you forgot [1] :) --86.4.62.200 22:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
There is already talk of domain hacking in other languages in the article, so I do not see why this would be a problem to add. 24.222.121.193 23:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] oldest domain hack?

i remember dis.org, re.org and theb.org from c. 1992, so inter.net might not be the oldest. Benwing 22:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

WHOIS results for those domains creation dates of:
  • dis.org: 24-Nov-1992 05:00:00 UTC
  • re.org: 22-May-1995 04:00:00 UTC
  • theb.org: 16-May-1997 04:00:00 UTC
WHOIS for inter.net shows 22-Nov-1992. The others could possibly be older, as their registration might have lapse and thus reset the creation-date when they were re-registered. Still, given our currently-available sources, inter.net seems to beat out dis.org by two days. — Saxifrage ✎ 23:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy section

The "controversy" section doesn't really seem controversial... I mean, who's to say what good domain naming conventions are? In fact, the existence of this article proves that a variety of naming standards can work. But most of all, domains are anyone's to buy, name, and use... so what does it matter if they follow "conventions"?? The section seems more like one person's reaction than an actual "controversy"

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